Cork Developments

[rebs23]

I really don't think the solution is ugly shitboxes.

I mean, sure, horrendously ugly square soviet-style boxes are much cheaper to build.
And it's not difficult to increase the square meter size of apartments. The current minimum for one bed apartments in Ireland is 37m2.

Govt to consider reducing minimum apartment sizes

A reduction in the minimum size of studio apartments is among the measures that Cabinet will consider next week to encourage developers to build more apartments.

www.rte.ie

Ireland fundamentally is not lacking space and I seriously doubt the issue is the materials costs of buildings.


People are far, far less likely to object to buildings if they actually look nice. Modern looking concrete+steel+glass buildings generally look terrible (there are exceptions), they're usually only built that way cause they're cheap.

I would suggest that is not a good long term trade off, soviet blocks and 60s council housing estates housed loads of people cheaply, but with the aesthetics of a burnt out skip. That's a cost to society that lasts, but at least the developers made a few percent more profit so tis grand...

I wouldn’t disagree with you. Fair comments but some of our regs are madness. I think 37m2 is for Bedsit and a 1 bed is 45m2.

 

[How bad boy]

I wouldn’t disagree with you. Fair comments but some of our regs are madness. I think 37m2 is for Bedsit and a 1 bed is 45m2.

That's not what the article says but yeah, it wouldn't exactly break the bank. The 1 bed apartment I lived in in Germany was 55m2, and the 2 bed apartment I had in another European capital was 52m2, so it's not exactly an iron law.

 

[How bad boy]

Good example of what I've been describing

 

[rebs23]

That's not what the article says but yeah, it wouldn't exactly break the bank. The 1 bed apartment I lived in in Germany was 55m2, and the 2 bed apartment I had in another European capital was 52m2, so it's not exactly an iron law.

Standards change over time and they’re minimums. Lots of apartments in Europe built after WW2 by Marshall plan to house people quickly.
After the Berlin Wall fell the German Government couldn’t afford the maintenance costs so something like 300,000 apartments were simply handed over to the private sector.
You probably ended up in one of those!

 

[How bad boy]

Standards change over time and they’re minimums. Lots of apartments in Europe built after WW2 by Marshall plan to house people quickly.
After the Berlin Wall fell the German Government couldn’t afford the maintenance costs so something like 300,000 apartments were simply handed over to the private sector.
You probably ended up in one of those!

In Germany, it was a government owned company. In France, subletting so never found out.

WIth enough space and things like communal gardens on the inside of blocks, they're nice places for families. It's not hard to build family friendly apartments, just needs little bit more effort than your standard rabbit hutch apartments built

 

[Yermon]

I wouldn’t disagree with you. Fair comments but some of our regs are madness. I think 37m2 is for Bedsit and a 1 bed is 45m2.

I thought Bedsits had been outlawed over a decade ago?

 

[How bad boy]

I thought Bedsits had been outlawed over a decade ago?

They're now "Studio apartments".

And the building industry is lobbying to cut the size of them to 32sqm as it'll knock €40k off the price of building it.

Building more studio apartments than one-bedroom units could save developers €41k, says housing department

Individual measures within the Government’s new planning guidelines for apartment developments estimate that developers could make thousands of euros in savings

www.irishexaminer.com

There's an argument for that sort of low cost living, I've lived in a hell of a lot worse than a 32sqm studio apartment.

 

[Jim Comic]

They're now "Studio apartments".

And the building industry is lobbying to cut the size of them to 32sqm as it'll knock €40k off the price of building it.

Building more studio apartments than one-bedroom units could save developers €41k, says housing department

Individual measures within the Government’s new planning guidelines for apartment developments estimate that developers could make thousands of euros in savings

www.irishexaminer.com

There's an argument for that sort of low cost living, I've lived in a hell of a lot worse than a 32sqm studio apartment.

once they're built well with fire safety and insulation so folk don't freeze to death then they're fine for a starter home for a young person with their first property purchase

 

[Bennyton]

They're now "Studio apartments".

And the building industry is lobbying to cut the size of them to 32sqm as it'll knock €40k off the price of building it.

Building more studio apartments than one-bedroom units could save developers €41k, says housing department

Individual measures within the Government’s new planning guidelines for apartment developments estimate that developers could make thousands of euros in savings

www.irishexaminer.com

There's an argument for that sort of low cost living, I've lived in a hell of a lot worse than a 32sqm studio apartment.

Sorry like, but fuck that, 32sqm isn't enough.

 

[How bad boy]

Sorry like, but fuck that, 32sqm isn't enough.

Tis grand for many people. If I was to be a single man, I'd live in 32sqm no both. People sublet rooms on a regular basis and it's arguably a step up from that.