Cork Developments

[ThatFella]

They certainly will. The Carragaline one is a joint venture between Carragaline AC and Carragaline RFC.

Bandon AC are a super club have been working towards this for years while churning out brilliant Athletes from 60m to Marathon and all In between

my personal position though is that public money no matter where it is spent should come with clear community responsibility whether its a track or any other sport like GAA or Soccer. They should be publicly owned with the clubs as anchor tenants.

Will these places allow access for schools? I don't know. Athletics will be a core PE exam elective in the leaving from next year. Do Bandon allow access for Brogans? Hamilton High? what about kinsale comm, schools in Clon?

What about couch 2 5k groups. What about Tri clubs. Bandon AC will do great but it's 100% in their gift now.

Public ownership would prevent a lot of issues and provide a lot more access



The clubs do an unbelievable job of working together, it's very much a minority sport. I won't repeat myself here though.



Astro can be bought I rolls is the big difference.

Tracks are composite underlay and a top surface so more specialised with fewer installation options.

Thanks for all the info EG, top poster very informative.

Hopefully with the public money etc we can continue to nurture the sport of Athletics and continue to produce world class athletes that go on to represent Ireland in Europe and also for Olympics etc

Definitely I agree if public money is used should come with hours for the community etc or that honorary membership is granted to a cohort.

There's definitely a minority in all sports unfortunately.

Learn something new about tracks and how they are laid.

 

[polladdy]

examiner 25th Nov​

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Planning decision puts plans for 1,300 homes in Cork's docklands on hold​

Planning refusal for Goulding to move to Marino Point from the docklands will be seen as a major blow as permission had been granted last year for 1,300 homes to be built on the Goulding site once it moved.

Marino Point Former IFI Plant and lands. Picture: Denis Scannell
Mon, 25 Nov, 2024 - 14:19
Emer Walsh
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The redevelopment of Cork City's docklands has been dealt a significant blow with a decision by An Bord Pleanála putting the construction of more than 1,300 apartments on hold indefinitely.
Planning for a new port facility on the site of the former Irish Fertiliser Industries (IFI) plant at Marino Point in Cork Harbour was refused on Monday. Goulding Soil Nutrition wanted to construct an agricultural fertiliser facility and develop the existing jetty at Marino Point to facilitate cargo vessels.

Last year, developer O'Callaghan Properties was granted planning for the largest residential development plan to date for the city at the Goulding site at Centre Park Road and Monahan Road. However, those plans depended on a positive planning decision from An Bord Pleanála regarding the former IFI site.
Following the decision, Goulding said it will continue to operate from its Centre Park Road facility. As a result, the more than 1,300 apartment development has been put on indefinite hold now that Goulding will remain in the city.
O'Callaghan Properties said the decision, which is more than two years overdue, will have major negative implications for the provision of housing in Cork and for the development of Docklands.
"Its immediate impact is to prevent the development of 1,325 apartments for which O’Callaghan Properties secured planning permission in 2023. It also prevents the development of a further 500 apartments envisaged for the remaining portion of the Goulding site," it told the Irish Examiner.

Developer O'Callaghan Properties was granted planning for the largest residential development plan to date for the city at the Gouldings site at Centre Park Road and Monahan Road
The developer added that the decision undermines the potential of Cork Docklands to provide the quantum of housing units envisaged in the City Development Plan, with the presence of Goulding "effectively sterilising a significant portion of the available development land in the Docklands".
Planning was initially granted by Cork County Council to Gouldings in 2020, but An Bord Pleanála was asked to overturn the decision amid concerns about the impact the facility would have regarding noise pollution on residents of Passage West. Concerns were also raised that it would pose a road safety hazard due to increased traffic, particularly around Belvelly Bridge.
In its decision, An Bord Pleanála said the R624 road and its capacity would not be sufficient to cater to any traffic-intensive use port-related or otherwise, noting that there are no current plans to upgrade the road in the application.
"The proposed development at Marino Point provides an opportunity to make use of the rail resource at Marino Point for rail-based freight distribution of product, therefore, reducing the reliance of road-based transport in favour of more sustainable transport infrastructure," the planning board said.
However, O'Callaghan Properties responded: "The contention in the ABP decision that somehow rail might reduce the reliance on road transportation for the activities of Goulding is simply untenable given the logistical requirements to distribute to individual farms throughout the region. The issues referenced in the ABP decision must be resolved if Docklands is to be developed and its potential fully realised."





This went under the radar due to the elections but seriously this is a disaster. We cant have serious developments being put on hold due to this sort of thing. If IFI had never closed, this wouldnt be an issue. Marino point is an eyesore and who will buy an apartment down the docks overlooking a fertilser factory.... you could not make it up. I am also seeing a trend, why to OCP always get stopped on plans which benefit the city much more than others.... The Event centre and now this...

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

examiner 25th Nov​

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Planning decision puts plans for 1,300 homes in Cork's docklands on hold​

Planning refusal for Goulding to move to Marino Point from the docklands will be seen as a major blow as permission had been granted last year for 1,300 homes to be built on the Goulding site once it moved.

Marino Point Former IFI Plant and lands. Picture: Denis Scannell
Mon, 25 Nov, 2024 - 14:19
Emer Walsh
???
The redevelopment of Cork City's docklands has been dealt a significant blow with a decision by An Bord Pleanála putting the construction of more than 1,300 apartments on hold indefinitely.
Planning for a new port facility on the site of the former Irish Fertiliser Industries (IFI) plant at Marino Point in Cork Harbour was refused on Monday. Goulding Soil Nutrition wanted to construct an agricultural fertiliser facility and develop the existing jetty at Marino Point to facilitate cargo vessels.

Last year, developer O'Callaghan Properties was granted planning for the largest residential development plan to date for the city at the Goulding site at Centre Park Road and Monahan Road. However, those plans depended on a positive planning decision from An Bord Pleanála regarding the former IFI site.
Following the decision, Goulding said it will continue to operate from its Centre Park Road facility. As a result, the more than 1,300 apartment development has been put on indefinite hold now that Goulding will remain in the city.
O'Callaghan Properties said the decision, which is more than two years overdue, will have major negative implications for the provision of housing in Cork and for the development of Docklands.
"Its immediate impact is to prevent the development of 1,325 apartments for which O’Callaghan Properties secured planning permission in 2023. It also prevents the development of a further 500 apartments envisaged for the remaining portion of the Goulding site," it told the Irish Examiner.

Developer O'Callaghan Properties was granted planning for the largest residential development plan to date for the city at the Gouldings site at Centre Park Road and Monahan Road
The developer added that the decision undermines the potential of Cork Docklands to provide the quantum of housing units envisaged in the City Development Plan, with the presence of Goulding "effectively sterilising a significant portion of the available development land in the Docklands".
Planning was initially granted by Cork County Council to Gouldings in 2020, but An Bord Pleanála was asked to overturn the decision amid concerns about the impact the facility would have regarding noise pollution on residents of Passage West. Concerns were also raised that it would pose a road safety hazard due to increased traffic, particularly around Belvelly Bridge.
In its decision, An Bord Pleanála said the R624 road and its capacity would not be sufficient to cater to any traffic-intensive use port-related or otherwise, noting that there are no current plans to upgrade the road in the application.
"The proposed development at Marino Point provides an opportunity to make use of the rail resource at Marino Point for rail-based freight distribution of product, therefore, reducing the reliance of road-based transport in favour of more sustainable transport infrastructure," the planning board said.
However, O'Callaghan Properties responded: "The contention in the ABP decision that somehow rail might reduce the reliance on road transportation for the activities of Goulding is simply untenable given the logistical requirements to distribute to individual farms throughout the region. The issues referenced in the ABP decision must be resolved if Docklands is to be developed and its potential fully realised."





This went under the radar due to the elections but seriously this is a disaster. We cant have serious developments being put on hold due to this sort of thing. If IFI had never closed, this wouldnt be an issue. Marino point is an eyesore and who will buy an apartment down the docks overlooking a fertilser factory.... you could not make it up. I am also seeing a trend, why to OCP always get stopped on plans which benefit the city much more than others.... The Event centre and now this...

The entire system is broken. The billions received in windfall taxes from a few American multinationals is camouflaging what’s happening in the real economy and society.
Housing is the best example and the dysfunction is literally crippling Irish society in front of our eyes.
Any multi unit scheme for apartments in this country is not going to get off the ground regardless of planning. Simply economically unviable at this stage. The build to let route to market in Dublin has collapsed. The only apartments built outside Dublin are those which are purchased by the state or an arm of the state.

 

[bosco]

Fair play to Apple, only way to get progress on things here. Micheál probably glad of it too.

 

[gallant1]

Micheál my arse , how long is he in Politics and Cork is a third world county compare to others.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

GE Healthcare to expand Cork facility with €132m investment

Expansion will enable 25m more patient doses per year of contrast media by the end of 2027

www.irishexaminer.com

But but Trump

 

[jimmym]

Planning notice for a hotel on lower oliver plunkett st Just at the traffic lights by the site where the Prism was meant to go,
I think it may once have been Doyle shipping?

 

[Meridian]

So when will it start ?
When will it end?
How much will it end up costing?

It's them, yes they have landed it :

Bam wins contract to build €456m M28 Cork to Ringaskiddy motorway

The firm is also involved in the Cork event centre saga, where despite a sod turning in 2016 and some €57m in State aid on the table, construction has yet to start

www.irishexaminer.com

 

[Pooman]

So when will it start ?
When will it end?
How much will it end up costing?

It's them, yes they have landed it :

Bam wins contract to build €456m M28 Cork to Ringaskiddy motorway

The firm is also involved in the Cork event centre saga, where despite a sod turning in 2016 and some €57m in State aid on the table, construction has yet to start

www.irishexaminer.com

BAM lowball and then employ an army of QS's to jack up the price so they make an extortionate profit. It's a Catch 22 for the lads in the public sector. They are bound by the rules to ensure there is no corruption but end up having to award contracts they know are a load of shit. If it was the private sector BAM would be told to fuck off.

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

BAM lowball and then employ an army of QS's to jack up the price so they make an extortionate profit. It's a Catch 22 for the lads in the public sector. They are bound by the rules to ensure there is no corruption but end up having to award contracts they know are a load of shit. If it was the private sector BAM would be told to fuck off.

I’ll think you’ll understand that not one penny is ever paid to contractors working on state contracts that they are not entitled to under that contract.
Don’t be fooled by the appalling spin that the entire nation has sucked up on the maternity hospital. Blame Bam.. some media spin doctors have done a good job.. I’m amazed that Bam haven’t sued..
In reality it’s the HSE and it’s professional team that have cost us taxpayers a Billion, not the builders.

Its like you were awarded the contract to build a house, and when you turn up to site the house is completely different in almost every aspect to what you were asked to build including adding in loads of high spec things like AC etc