Cork city has gone to the dogs.

[Matlock]

Correct. Not dealing with the underlying issues which usually compound each other is not going to offer any type of solution.
Building treatment centres, funding counselling and channeling resources towards dealing with root causes would prevent a far higher percentage of crime than putting the same money into building prisons.

I have seen far more crimes committed out of a mixture of stupidity, lack of options and addiction than I have from pure evil.

 

[Kimeartimmyboy]

Meanwhile, in other news... a faction of the Faulkners filmed themselves as they bust into one of the Heaphys gaff in Ballincollig and put in the windows... thick fuckers live around the corner in the same estate as each other... and to emphasise the thick part, they filmed themselves doing it... Imagine armed masked men breaking into your house with a camera crew, fuckin eejits.

My buddy lives in the same estate. The latter of the 2 mentioned were allegedly moved from another estate in the town due to neighbours complaints. What a treat for the rest of us!

 

[ikari warrior]

I have seen far more crimes committed out of a mixture of stupidity, lack of options and addiction than I have from pure evil.

Policing and deterrence,and you will need less extra prison space ,
We use body cams at work the last five years .the minute you inform them of the little red light the biggest langer turns into a lamb ,mr violent coke head goes disperses ,
It’s now that time of year where we used to get the “I know my rights I’m a solicitor “ the little red light has done away with that ,you’d miss those days,
High quality units are cost effect to buy and train up on ,why then are the gardai only beginning to trial them in Dublin,Galway and Waterford ,
But not cork ,
Crazy

 

[Roundyfield]

Sometimes they are. It still isn't indefinite and if they (or society as a whole) don't address the underlying issues then they will reoffend.

We only sentence people for offences that they are actually convicted of though, rather than what we think they might have done.

Repeat offending is one of those things that seems easy to fix, but it actually isn't. If someone is offending because of addiction (for example) then no jail term is really going to fix that unless they get clean. That isn't to suggest that we don't jail them, of course we do and we should, but jail alone won't magically fix anything.

I had a client years ago, chronic addiction issues. I still see her name in the paper periodically though I haven't acted for her in ages. It is mainly public order matters and shoplifting. She shoplifts to get drugs, and then she is angry and out of control and gets arrested for public order stuff. She has had her kids taken off her, she had gotten a number of bad beatings (presumably for drug debts). She has been jailed for long stints (given that these are small offences). None of it is going to change until she gets clean. Now, you might argue "lock her up for 5 years" but firstly, the judges don't have the authority to do that for the offences she is accused of and secondly, we don't have the jail spaces to lock up those sorts of offenders for years on end.

I agree with you in that society has to tackle underlying causes to combat all crime but I would slightly disagree with the premise of violent crime l, not in regards to causes because there are root causes also but violent crime can be reduced if you remove violent individuals. Violent crime was reduced in the US when harsh prison sentences for repeat offenders were introduced. The better but more difficult option would be to create a society in which we don’t create violent individuals.

 

[Meritocracy]

Are the CPGs still ruling the roost in Ballincollig?

 

[Heartrate 111]

It has its challenges as a law, not least that it doesn't seem to work that well as a deterrent!

In any event, it would do nothing for the "100+ convictions" brigade that heartrate is talking about as they are DC offenders mainly.

Fair enough but I still think sentencing is the problem as if guys know they are not going to be punished they will keep doing it..

I remember they bought in minimum sentence if caught with more than 13k (I think ) of drugs .

Now I have seen numerous cases over last few yrs and let me tell you there are more sentences of less than 5 yrs to anyone getting so called minimum sentence of 10 yrs ..

Why is this ? Because they also said unless a judge finds there are exceptional circumstances .

Now my client had a tough upbringing or he was being threatened if he didn't do it are the usual excuses dished out and guess what they are working because I would bet my last euro that if you checked you wouldn't find 10% have been given the so called minimum sentence..

Now I must head off to work for my days pay ...

 

[Meridian]

While not per say relating to the subject matter, but this is an example of what the legal business deem normal practice:

State granted permission to dispose of costly MV Matthew

A court has ordered that the State can dispose a cargo ship alleged to have been used in one of the largest drugs' hauls in Irish history.

www.rte.ie

The legal business need to get with reality in this society.

 

[Matlock]

While not per say relating to the subject matter, but this is an example of what the legal business deem normal practice:

State granted permission to dispose of costly MV Matthew

A court has ordered that the State can dispose a cargo ship alleged to have been used in one of the largest drugs' hauls in Irish history.

www.rte.ie

The legal business need to get with reality in this society.

What part of this are you blaming on the legal profession?

 

[Meridian]

What part of this are you blaming on the legal profession?

The length of time and the subsequent cost of storing that ship, just in case, the Defence legal team needed to inspect the vessel.
The length of time is beyond ridiculous

 

[Matlock]

The length of time and the subsequent cost of storing that ship, just in case, the Defence legal team needed to inspect the vessel.
The length of time is beyond ridiculous

That's garda evidence.