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Your ignorance of my duties and work times aside, even if the Civil Service (I'm not a Civil Servant btw) is as bad as you claim, why the need for the likes of Ryan to have a dozen or so highly paid Special Advisors as well as getting in Deloitte PwC etc etc. It's a scandallous waste of money.

Even 10 Special Advisors on 100K per annum for his term in office is 5M euro that could be better spent elsewhere if at the end of the day they're only going to get in Deloitte for 7+ M anyway
They have to hire in professional services all the time from engineers to architects etc as they simply cannot do the work themselves. About 16 of the public servants just show up for the meetings, waste everybodys time while all the hired pros just get on with it.
 
The Govt. has to get this work done as the Civil Service is simply not capable or motivated to do anything and even if they tried it would take forever. Contractors have to be brought in or else the State would simply not function.

I "worked" in the Civil services for a bit and any motivation and drive is drilled out of you very rapidly once you see the routine and you cannot show up the existing staff by actually doing stuff.
This is the real issue.There are no consequences for bad actors and this has a deleterious effect on the genuine employees
 
They have to hire in professional services all the time from engineers to architects etc as they simply cannot do the work themselves. About 16 of the public servants just show up for the meetings, waste everybodys time while all the hired pros just get on with it.
Biggest meetings you’ll ever attend! And the only ones that start with everyone being thanked for attending and working on the project!

Sweet Jesus, 16 at the meeting, 4-6 actually needing to be there and doing work, all of whom have no time for the meeting taking twice the length of time it needs to. Some craic with the introductions then.. Hello all, I am the:

'Monitoring XYZ' - ie the CS who is being paid to do the job one of the consultants at the table is doing for them and will take all of the credit for it, once it goes well. You will have somewhere between 1 and 4 of these sitting there silently

'APO' - a clerical person who has had a number of 'service' related promotions, notionally overseeing the project but has no expertise in the project as they have no background in what is being delivered - they report to more CS's up the chain and are pissed off that they don't have an office anymore, unlike them

'PO' - the APO's boss because they have worked in the CS for longer. They have an office and a smug look on their face, but no expertise in the project as they have no background in what is being delivered. They implement department budgets and things.

'Admin/support' - ie. the person who will minute the meeting since it is not possible for one of the other 6 CS's to do it even though the are doing little. These minutes will need to be approved by those guys though

'Principal or Assistant Principal of the department' - These guys are professionals from the actual field but have given that up in favour of politics. They will generally listen for about 5 minutes, then interject, take the floor, apologise for being rude and explain that they have another meeting to be at.. and then say things like 'we need boots on the ground', 'visible progress' and 'it just needs to happen'. They will also remind everyone that they are answerable to the minister who is taking heat from another minister.. and this trumps everything regardless of what is about to be explained to them.


I'm off to one of these at 2pm :lol!:
 
They have to hire in professional services all the time from engineers to architects etc as they simply cannot do the work themselves. About 16 of the public servants just show up for the meetings, waste everybodys time while all the hired pros just get on with it.

You're still clearly missing the point.
Even if we accept your "16 of the public servants just show up for the meetings, waste everybodys time while all the hired pros just get on with it." why on earth are Ministers allowed to hire multiple "special advisors" on very big salaries when the "pros" like Deloite and PwC are also hired at big cost to advise?
 
You're still clearly missing the point.
Even if we accept your "16 of the public servants just show up for the meetings, waste everybodys time while all the hired pros just get on with it." why on earth are Ministers allowed to hire multiple "special advisors" on very big salaries when the "pros" like Deloite and PwC are also hired at big cost to advise?

All parties have "Special advisors" even in opposition.

The existing civil servants are simply hopeless and do not want any change anyway as they protect their fiefdom until the next Government.

They protect their budgets and if they had their way the State would not invest in anything.

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"Government paid €7.6m to Deloitte"

That's how Ireland works. Deloitte, PwC, etc all getting handy bobs for consultancy work when the Ministers already have Civil Servants and other highly paid advisors (think Eamon Ryan had ten or twelve of them) ?
He doesn't.
He has 8, two of which are secretaries, and two of which are worksharing.
 
Biggest meetings you’ll ever attend! And the only ones that start with everyone being thanked for attending and working on the project!

Sweet Jesus, 16 at the meeting, 4-6 actually needing to be there and doing work, all of whom have no time for the meeting taking twice the length of time it needs to. Some craic with the introductions then.. Hello all, I am the:

'Monitoring XYZ' - ie the CS who is being paid to do the job one of the consultants at the table is doing for them and will take all of the credit for it, once it goes well. You will have somewhere between 1 and 4 of these sitting there silently

'APO' - a clerical person who has had a number of 'service' related promotions, notionally overseeing the project but has no expertise in the project as they have no background in what is being delivered - they report to more CS's up the chain and are pissed off that they don't have an office anymore, unlike them

'PO' - the APO's boss because they have worked in the CS for longer. They have an office and a smug look on their face, but no expertise in the project as they have no background in what is being delivered. They implement department budgets and things.

'Admin/support' - ie. the person who will minute the meeting since it is not possible for one of the other 6 CS's to do it even though the are doing little. These minutes will need to be approved by those guys though

'Principal or Assistant Principal of the department' - These guys are professionals from the actual field but have given that up in favour of politics. They will generally listen for about 5 minutes, then interject, take the floor, apologise for being rude and explain that they have another meeting to be at.. and then say things like 'we need boots on the ground', 'visible progress' and 'it just needs to happen'. They will also remind everyone that they are answerable to the minister who is taking heat from another minister.. and this trumps everything regardless of what is about to be explained to them.


I'm off to one of these at 2pm :lol!:
Yes, and they also throw in well worn phrases phrases like "key performance indicators" while unable to even make a basic decision until they consult someone higher up who is off playing golf anyway and has no real involvement anyway.

Copy them all on e-mails with the minutes and you rarely hear from them ever again until their end of year budget review comes around again.

Driving across the country on expenses to contribute very little of course.
 
Biggest meetings you’ll ever attend! And the only ones that start with everyone being thanked for attending and working on the project!

Sweet Jesus, 16 at the meeting, 4-6 actually needing to be there and doing work, all of whom have no time for the meeting taking twice the length of time it needs to. Some craic with the introductions then.. Hello all, I am the:

'Monitoring XYZ' - ie the CS who is being paid to do the job one of the consultants at the table is doing for them and will take all of the credit for it, once it goes well. You will have somewhere between 1 and 4 of these sitting there silently

'APO' - a clerical person who has had a number of 'service' related promotions, notionally overseeing the project but has no expertise in the project as they have no background in what is being delivered - they report to more CS's up the chain and are pissed off that they don't have an office anymore, unlike them

'PO' - the APO's boss because they have worked in the CS for longer. They have an office and a smug look on their face, but no expertise in the project as they have no background in what is being delivered. They implement department budgets and things.

'Admin/support' - ie. the person who will minute the meeting since it is not possible for one of the other 6 CS's to do it even though the are doing little. These minutes will need to be approved by those guys though

'Principal or Assistant Principal of the department' - These guys are professionals from the actual field but have given that up in favour of politics. They will generally listen for about 5 minutes, then interject, take the floor, apologise for being rude and explain that they have another meeting to be at.. and then say things like 'we need boots on the ground', 'visible progress' and 'it just needs to happen'. They will also remind everyone that they are answerable to the minister who is taking heat from another minister.. and this trumps everything regardless of what is about to be explained to them.


I'm off to one of these at 2pm :lol!:
The very best to you having to put up with that shite.
I know from experience it takes a certain level of patience to have to deal with those you mentioned and you have certainly nailed them all ?
 
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