2025 Premier Senior Football Championship

[Henrys Fonda]

One can be sure Sheridan isn't putting the bread and butter of hurling in their veins.

I doubt Currid is doing that for Limerick either.

Not mixing you op at all, your reply to me was 'Who said that'?

Yes I asked because your reply was implying I said it which I didnt.

 

[intothewest]

I believe he was referencing the Kerry examiner podcast but I might be wrong

The Examiner Gaelic football show involved Paul Rouse (from Offaly) and James Horan (Mayo obviously) and Maurice Brosnan who is from Galway I think.

 

[TonyCork80]

I believe he was referencing the Kerry examiner podcast but I might be wrong

You have to laugh.

As has been shown over and over and over again, you wouldn't be long having anything to do with Gaelic football in that paper if you upset Tony over Kerry.

 

[TonyCork80]

I will say this though, it has been an absolute masterclass in narrative setting that after the failure of the "he threw it over his shoulder" line, in the last 24 hours so many people have accepted that in picking up the ball with his back to the ref Quinn fouls the ball.

Quinn picks up ball. Not a foul.
Quinn goes to hand ball back. Not a foul.
Dingle player charges Quinn. A foul.

Crazy stuff, imho.

 

[peopleluas]

Go have a listen to the Examiner podcast from today for a fair and neutral opinion from Offaly, Mayo and Galway men. Their call is that Ian Maguire was fouled and it should have been a free for Barrs, but the 50m penalty call was right.

Exactly. An injustice was done, but it was because Maguire was fouled and didn't get the free, not because the free in the opposite way was advanced. I find it hard to say the ref made a mistake for not seeing the push on Maguire because I think it wouldn't have been easy for him to see it given the relative positioning of players and the ref.

take away the line about handing the ball over.

The players in our club believe that they have to instantly retreat to allow the taking of a quick free, and that they only have to hand the ball over in the case that they have it (usually the ball has spilled, or the opposition has it). And that's the rule too. I don't think it's the rule that's causing confusion amongst players in general.

You could take away the bit about handing the ball back, require the player to drop it instantly, and penalize a player who instead picks it up! But there still would be hard cases, e.g. a fellow who delays dropping it 'cos he thinks the free is the other way, a fellow who picks it up because he thinks the free is the other way, a fellow who throws it to his preferred free-taker 'cos he thinks the free is the other way, a fellow who takes a quick free 'cos he thinks the free is the other way, etc. No matter what you do, there's going to be hard cases at the end of matches. So then the suggestion will be to make it only a 1 pointer. And some time the 1 pointer will win the match and that will be a hard case and the suggestion will be that 50m is too much of an advancement.

An injustice was done because Maguire didn't get the free and the Barrs lost a match that they deserved to win on that basis. Let's not make it worse by diluting rules which have made football great this year.

 

[bluesball]

The 50 metre rule wont change until it effects the result of an all ireland semi or final and effects. one of the big counties. The rule is ok but the penalty for breaking it is totally wrong. Book the player who committed the foul and if he is already booked send him off.
Had a look and the Kerry forum, almost to a man they said Dingle were lucky, Barrs took their beating graciously and some even said if it was the other way around the forum would have exploded.
PS for Foxy out in the Barrs we have a saying that they shot the wrong Collins

 

[peopleluas]

I will say this though, it has been an absolute masterclass in narrative setting that after the failure of the "he threw it over his shoulder" line, in the last 24 hours so many people have accepted that in picking up the ball with his back to the ref Quinn fouls the ball.

Quinn picks up ball. Not a foul.
Quinn goes to hand ball back. Not a foul.
Dingle player charges Quinn. A foul.

Crazy stuff, imho.

Perhaps if I might illustrate my view on the same sequence @TonyCork80, you might see that perhaps we don't differ by as much as might appear.

1. Maguire is pushed. A foul - should have been a free to the Barrs.
2. Maguire falls pretty easily as a result of his burrowing kind of move (sensible - he's been fouled, and burrowing and falling having been pushed is likely to force the ref to call it - game over).
3. Ref does not award a free for the push (I think he doesn't see it). Maguire is on his 6th step or so, plays the ball away along the ground, or at least he certainly instantly releases it. Maguire is entitled to touch the ball on the ground to play it away as he fell in possession. But the ref calls overcarrying. Some refs wouldn't call over-carrying in that situation but by the strict rules of the game it's a foul and the ref calls it. The refs have been far stricter on overcarrying this year.
4. The Dingle players are haunted a second time 'cos at least one of them also touches the ball on the ground, but Maguire has overcarried first as deemed by the ref.
5. Quinn picks up ball instead of instantly retreating to allow the quick free. Picking the ball up is not a foul, but deliberately not retreating is. Ref is not sure if Quinn doing that without establishing that the free is to the Barrs is is deliberate, but now the ref has Quinn under major suspicion.
6. Quinn goes to hand ball back. Not a foul.
7. Dingle player charges Quinn. I'm not sure about that one. It's very very marginal. I've seen a lot more in cases like that and generally not awarded. Right or wrong (he may have been wrong, but he has to decide) I think at that point the ref is now thinking the not retreating has been deliberate and with the ball spilling, and delaying the taking of the free, his view is confirmed and feels that justice is that the ball should be advanced.

So at step 1 the Barrs for sure should have got a free. At step 4 the Barrs might have got a free. At step 7 a hop ball might have been awarded (tho I think unlikely and you think obvious). So really the only places you and I have a significantly different view on the sequence is at step 7 (?)

And as you said yourself, fractions of a second between those steps and nobody making any decision had the benefit of a video playback - all happened very very fast as it always does.

 

[TonyCork80]

Yeah to me it's all gone a bit Rumpole of the Bailey now.

I think if we were having a conversation last week about whether it was a free for picking up a dead ball off the ground and having it back to the opposition within two seconds we'd have all wondered if people were taking leave of their senses, but here we are 48 hours later and following the media it seems it has become a major plank of the case for the prosecution against Quinn.

I think when you stand back and look at it that way it seems odd. To me at least anyway.

The Kerry Strategic Communications Unit in full flight is a sight to behold ladies and gentlemen.

 

[junior footballer]

Yeah to me it's all gone a bit Rumpole of the Bailey now.

I think if we were having a conversation last week about whether it was a free for picking up a dead ball off the ground and having it back to the opposition within two seconds we'd have all wondered if people were taking leave of their senses, but here we are 48 hours later and following the media it seems it has become a major plank of the case for the prosecution against Quinn.

I think when you stand back and look at it that way it seems odd. To me at least anyway.

The Kerry Strategic Communications Unit in full flight is a sight to behold ladies and gentlemen.

It was incredible, roll out Maurice deegan and have him come out with the great line it was a free even if the Dingle player made a meal of it…..outstanding stuff

 

[peopleluas]

I think if we were having a conversation last week about whether it was a free for picking up a dead ball off the ground and having it back to the opposition within two seconds we'd have all wondered if people were taking leave of their senses, but here we are 48 hours later and following the media it seems it has become a major plank of the case for the prosecution against Quinn.

Perhaps others haven't been consistent @TonyCork80, but I believe I have been.

If I were on the sideline at the match I'd almost certainly be yelling at the ref too (even though perhaps that's not right or fair) in an effort to do everything possible to influence him with the goal of a Barrs win. Supporters definitely impact ref decisions. But from a more detached reference point, while rule changes are fine, I don't want a change to the rule that would dilute its effect - and the general effect of the rule has been outstanding and I don't think this case merits changing the rule. Which is my motivation for posting, along with defending the ref who I believe made a decision which was reasonable in the circumstance of him not seeing the push on Maguire.