2023 Senior A hurling

[Collio64]

Carrigaline and Ballincollig are big parts of the city..
Mallow dwarfs the other county towns you’ve mentioned, I’d say 10 times the size of WGH

On balance both could be described as soul -less clubs, usually the structures behind the scenes are made up of a mixed bag of people from all corners of the country who may not have the best interests of the club at heart. Fans and support levels must be low too, not attractive to promote the GAA

 

[Harroukka]

From the most recent census . The likes of Carrigaline , Cobh and a few others seem to be seriously underperforming while Bride Rovers , Kanturk and Charleville look like they are over achieving when based on playing numbers in catchment area anyway !

Suburb population numbers seem to be assessed differently so Glanmire , Ballincollig etc difficult to see accurate numbers for

Bandon , population 8,200
Bantry , 3,000
Carrigaline , 18,200
Carrigtohill , 5,600
Charleville , 4,000
Clonakilty , 5,200
Cloyne 2,000
Cobh 14,200
Crosshaven 3,300
Dunmanway 2,000
Fermoy , 6,700
Kanturk , 2,800
Kinsale , 6,000
Macroom , 4,100
Mallow , 13,500
Midleton, 14,000
Mitchelstown , 3,800
Passage , 6,100
Rathcormac , 2,000
Skibereen , 3,000
Youghal , 8,600

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

From the most recent census . The likes of Carrigaline , Cobh and a few others seem to be seriously underperforming while Bride Rovers , Kanturk and Charleville look like they are over achieving when based on playing numbers in catchment area anyway !

Suburb population numbers seem to be assessed differently so Glanmire , Ballincollig etc difficult to see accurate numbers for

Bandon , population 8,200
Bantry , 3,000
Carrigaline , 18,200
Carrigtohill , 5,600
Charleville , 4,000
Clonakilty , 5,200
Cloyne 2,000
Cobh 14,200
Crosshaven 3,300
Dunmanway 2,000
Fermoy , 6,700
Kanturk , 2,800
Kinsale , 6,000
Macroom , 4,100
Mallow , 13,500
Midleton, 14,000
Mitchelstown , 3,800
Passage , 6,100
Rathcormac , 2,000
Skibereen , 3,000
Youghal , 8,600

Super info.
With only the odd exception every now and then the county towns of Cork contribute very little towards the Cork senior hurling team.
Kanturk is a serious sporting hub in recent years.

 

[Barredfootballer]

From the most recent census . The likes of Carrigaline , Cobh and a few others seem to be seriously underperforming while Bride Rovers , Kanturk and Charleville look like they are over achieving when based on playing numbers in catchment area anyway !

Suburb population numbers seem to be assessed differently so Glanmire , Ballincollig etc difficult to see accurate numbers for

Bandon , population 8,200
Bantry , 3,000
Carrigaline , 18,200
Carrigtohill , 5,600
Charleville , 4,000
Clonakilty , 5,200
Cloyne 2,000
Cobh 14,200
Crosshaven 3,300
Dunmanway 2,000
Fermoy , 6,700
Kanturk , 2,800
Kinsale , 6,000
Macroom , 4,100
Mallow , 13,500
Midleton, 14,000
Mitchelstown , 3,800
Passage , 6,100
Rathcormac , 2,000
Skibereen , 3,000
Youghal , 8,600

Actually forgot about how little Kinsale are contributing to Cork Gaa

 

[Dinger]

From the most recent census . The likes of Carrigaline , Cobh and a few others seem to be seriously underperforming while Bride Rovers , Kanturk and Charleville look like they are over achieving when based on playing numbers in catchment area anyway !

Suburb population numbers seem to be assessed differently so Glanmire , Ballincollig etc difficult to see accurate numbers for

Bandon , population 8,200
Bantry , 3,000
Carrigaline , 18,200
Carrigtohill , 5,600
Charleville , 4,000
Clonakilty , 5,200
Cloyne 2,000
Cobh 14,200
Crosshaven 3,300
Dunmanway 2,000
Fermoy , 6,700
Kanturk , 2,800
Kinsale , 6,000
Macroom , 4,100
Mallow , 13,500
Midleton, 14,000
Mitchelstown , 3,800
Passage , 6,100
Rathcormac , 2,000
Skibereen , 3,000
Youghal , 8,600

Crosshaven seem to be brewing something. They're stronger now than I ever remember at underage with decent teams and numbers coming through albeit at the younger ages and therefore not yet showing in Rebel Óg competitions. The draw of rugby and soccer may hold them back somewhat though.

Passage too, from my casual observation, seem to be on the cusp of bringing through some very good players. You'd certainly see more mention of their players on schools and development teams etc. than in recent years. Seem to have good numbers at younger age groups too.

It's no small task, particularly for non-traditionally strong clubs, to build an adult team that will bring you up the grades when things have perhaps fallen by the wayside. Bride, Kanturk and Charleville in particular are to be commended on their achievement in that regard.

I'd estimate it's a process that takes 20 years plus of continuous effort (plus a little luck) to come to fruition.

 

[North Cork Star]

Crosshaven seem to be brewing something. They're stronger now than I ever remember at underage with decent teams and numbers coming through albeit at the younger ages and therefore not yet showing in Rebel Óg competitions. The draw of rugby and soccer may hold them back somewhat though.

Passage too, from my casual observation, seem to be on the cusp of bringing through some very good players. You'd certainly see more mention of their players on schools and development teams etc. than in recent years. Seem to have good numbers at younger age groups too.

It's no small task, particularly for non-traditionally strong clubs, to build an adult team that will bring you up the grades when things have perhaps fallen by the wayside. Bride, Kanturk and Charleville in particular are to be commended on their achievement in that regard.

I'd estimate it's a process that takes 20 years plus of continuous effort (plus a little luck) to come to fruition.

I spoke with a man from Charleville back in 2011, the year they won the Junior A County Final v Mayfield and beat Kildorrery in a winners take all Avondhu Final. The year before, they lost to Churchtown (before LC Gaels were formed) in the Avondhu Semi Final.


I asked this man how did they turn their fortunes around. He said it was the influx of talent that came into the squad in 2011. Players such as Andrew Cagney, James O' Brien, Gavin Kelleher, Mark Kavanagh and Alan Dennehy came of age. They beat Shandrum in the North Cork U21 A hurling final the same year. He said that they knew from Under 8s that this group were strong so did their best to keep them together.


He also mentioned at the time that they had an equally strong group of players at Under 14 back in 2011. They were well flagged in advance as a very strong team. Darragh Fitz, Darren Butler, Finbarr Cagney, Jack Doyle, Jack Barry, Cian Collins and Jack O' Callaghan were part of this group of players. Many of their best coaches kept this group going from Under 6 all the way up to Under 21.


So essentially, Charleville had two excellent underage teams playing at Premier Level and nourished them and developed them into really good adult hurlers. Obviously Charleville had great players already like Danny O' Flynn, Mervyn Gammell, Alan O' Connor and Dessie Fitzgerald who were top hurlers and great influences for the next generation of hurlers in the town. But their success increased once those 2 great underage teams grew and developed and blended into their adult team.

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

Actually forgot about how little Kinsale are contributing to Cork Gaa

Too busy eating crab and prawn sandwiches

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

Crosshaven seem to be brewing something. They're stronger now than I ever remember at underage with decent teams and numbers coming through albeit at the younger ages and therefore not yet showing in Rebel Óg competitions. The draw of rugby and soccer may hold them back somewhat though.

Passage too, from my casual observation, seem to be on the cusp of bringing through some very good players. You'd certainly see more mention of their players on schools and development teams etc. than in recent years. Seem to have good numbers at younger age groups too.

It's no small task, particularly for non-traditionally strong clubs, to build an adult team that will bring you up the grades when things have perhaps fallen by the wayside. Bride, Kanturk and Charleville in particular are to be commended on their achievement in that regard.

I'd estimate it's a process that takes 20 years plus of continuous effort (plus a little luck) to come to fruition.

It needs a couple of strong characters to drive the underage.. a mini dictatorship.. no bs.. a love of the game.. drive.. passion..hunger to learn.. hunger to get better.. a love of the ball.. a mind for battle.. an us against them mentality.. club above all
Build these characteristics into the youngsters.

 

[BBAWS]

Not every town has to be a strong GAA town lads. Do ye still tip yer hats to the bank manager and idolise the Irish priest? Young people have more access to a range of sports now and more opportunities in life beyond sport in the local parish. Sport is a much for recreation as it is anything else. For those of you here labelling clubs as shambles or a disgrace and downplaying their impact on your beloved Gaelic Game, move on with the rest of the world.

And before you ask what competition:

Sport Ireland's Children’s Sport Participation and Physical Activity Study 2022, published last week, reported soccer (56%) as the top participation sport among primary school boys, followed by Gaelic football (47%), hurling (37%), swimming (36%) and rugby (25%).

For girls, most popular are swimming (45%), Gaelic football (43%), camogie (40%), dance (32%) and athletics (29%).

In post-primary schools, soccer (41%), Gaelic football (38%), hurling (26%), swimming (26%) and weight training (25%) were reported as the five most popular community sports/activities for boys; while swimming (34%), Gaelic football (33%), dance (25%), camogie (22%) and cycling (20%) are the five most popular activities for girls.

 

[BBAWS]

It needs a couple of strong characters to drive the underage.. a mini dictatorship.. no bs.. a love of the game.. drive.. passion..hunger to learn.. hunger to get better.. a love of the ball.. a mind for battle.. an us against them mentality.. club above all
Build these characteristics into the youngsters.

I bet you have Mein Kampf on your bedside locker.