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Old 19-05-2015, 02:37 PM
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Default Contrived Anglo - Irish Relations

Who are the driving forces behind the continued Anglo-Irish relations, namely they British Royal family and Irish Government/Sinn Fein love in, for want of a better phrase.

The most recent, but probably the most popular, examples being Queen Elizabeth visit to Ireland and wreath laying. Martin McGuinness' appearance at Buckingham Palace for dinner and Prince Charles' visit to Sligo and handshake with Gerry Adams.

There's obviously a group of diplomats working behind the scenes to choreograph all of these public shows of some sort of reconciliation. But who exactly are these people and in what form does their decision making process take place?
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Old 19-05-2015, 02:49 PM
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The Illuminati. Or maybe the Jews.
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Old 19-05-2015, 02:57 PM
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I'd say it's not coming from Irish government anyway, Enda doesn't seem keen on the attention Gerry's getting from it. Likewise, I can't see FF being overly pleased.
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Old 19-05-2015, 03:29 PM
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Meh, two Brits meet up in Galway.... hardly earth shattering.
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Old 19-05-2015, 03:30 PM
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It is probably the one initiative that is keeping the peace process ticking over because Cameron's last government and most certainly his new one and Enda's government have totally walked off the pitch when it comes to the North and the evidence for it is that you can see further retrenchment along sectarian lines in the Executive, hence the recent crisis.

I am surprised Adams is going to meet Prince Charles and I am surprised Prince Charles is going to meet Adams. There doesn't seem to be any manifest benefit to either side. Loyalists/Unionists will be infuriated and similarly victims on the other side will be too.

But it is at a fundamental level, progress. 20 years ago it wouldn't even have been conceivable.
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Old 19-05-2015, 03:45 PM
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Things change.

People change.

Blowing up and murdering people to achieve a United Ireland or retain the Union was daft and immoral 30 years ago without the consent of the people and even with the benefit of hindsight even more stupid and pointless now.

Not worth a single life.

Up to the politicians in the North now to grow up and look after their people fairly and manage their budgets without screaming "crisis" to both Dublin & London every two weeks like feckless college students coming home every few weeks for their laundry done and a few meals.
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Old 19-05-2015, 03:56 PM
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Ideally yea but there are still too many vested interests.
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Old 19-05-2015, 04:01 PM
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many relatives of ira victims and british army victims will be fuming
over adams meeting Charles but from adams point of view he is damned if he does damned if he doesn't, its just another step along the road to hopefully a lasting peace, don't underestimate the potential for extra sinn fein votes after this,
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Old 19-05-2015, 04:02 PM
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Ideally yea but there are still too many vested interests.
As long as those interests ultimatly involve peace and reconciliation leave them off.

Otherwise it is all just tribal noise up there.
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Old 19-05-2015, 04:05 PM
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"They" haven't gone away you know, just diversified into diesel laundering. Some say their operations are largely left alone as some sort of deal to keep them out of mischief.
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