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Old 21-11-2013, 03:12 PM
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Default Britain's secret terror force in NI

A programme that will be shown tonight on BBC television will tell of how the British goverment used a special force in Northern Ireland in the early seventies to kill people who they beleived to be members of the IRA at least 20 people were shot dead some of them had no connection whatsoever with the IRA . The IRA always said that such a force did exist and explains the number of murders that went explained to this day


I will make no comments on the subject until i see the programme
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Old 21-11-2013, 05:37 PM
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Undercover British army unit 'shot civilians' in west Belfast 40 years ago
Updated: 14:22, Thursday, 21 November 2013


Soldiers from a British army undercover unit in Northern Ireland have admitted shooting unarmed IRA suspects in Belfast 40 years ago.
Former members of the unit told the BBC's Panorama programme, to be broadcast tonight, that they also carried out drive-by shootings of nationalists, even though there was no independent evidence any of them were IRA members.
Speaking publicly for the first time, ex-members of the Military Reaction Force said they had been tasked with "hunting down" IRA members in Belfast.
The unit operated for 18 months before being disbanded in 1973 and its records have since been destroyed.
Taoiseach Enda Kenny has said he has yet to watch the BBC Panorama programme.
He said he would see what was in the programme, first of all, and then see what the best thing to do in respect of the implications of the programme is.
Asked whether he has sought clarification from London on the ramifications that would be in the programme, he said he would like to watch the programme and assess it first to see what should be done from the Government's point of view.
The British Ministry of Defence said it had referred the disclosures to police.
The reaction force had around 40 hand-picked men from across the British army who addressed each other by first name and dispensed with ranks and identification tags.
They operated at the height of the Troubles in the early 1970s, when bombings and shootings by paramilitaries occurred almost daily.
Another ex-member said it was part of his mission to draw out the IRA and minimise its activities.
"If they needed shooting they'd be shot," he said.
The British army has a series of rules known as the Yellow Card, which guides when a soldier can open fire lawfully.
Generally, lethal force was only lawful when the lives of members of the security forces or others were in immediate danger.
Another soldier said: "If you had a player who was a well-known shooter who carried out quite a lot of assassinations... it would have been very simple, he had to be taken out."
According to the Panorama programme, seven former members of the force believed the Yellow Card did not apply to them and one described it as a "fuzzy red line", meaning they acted as they saw fit.
Some said they would shoot unarmed targets.
The MRF's records have been destroyed but the soldiers denied they were part of a death or assassination squad.
Tony Le Tissier, a major in the Royal Military Police, said: "They were playing at being bandits, they were meant to be sort of IRA outlaws.
"That's why they were in plain clothes, operating plain vehicles and using a Thompson sub machine gun (favoured by the IRA)."
In the early 1970s, nationalists would man barricades in west Belfast aimed at preventing troops from entering.
Some soldiers said they would drive by and open fire, even if they did not see anybody brandishing a gun.
Among those they killed in May 1972 was father-of-six Patrick McVeigh.
His daughter Patricia said: "We want the truth. We don't want to stop until we get the truth."
Speaking on RTÉ’s Today with Sean O'Rourke, Ms McVeigh said her family were not happy with the open verdict, which was recorded after her father's death.
They have called for a new inquest to discover the circumstances surrounding his murder.
"We as a family were never happy with that. My father was killed unlawfully, there's a slur on his name which we want lifted.
"We want to get the truth, an apology and a new inquest to discover exactly what happened and for the soldiers to explain why."
The BBC programme comes the day after Northern Ireland Attorney General John Larkin suggested drawing a line under all murders carried out before 1998.
He advocated ruling out further inquests and inquiries into the crimes committed during the 30-year conflict, insisting a line should be drawn on offences perpetrated before the signing of the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement.
There was almost universal negative reaction to that proposal.
British Prime Minister David Cameron made clear that his government had no plans to legislate on any form of amnesty.
Taoiseach Enda Kenny said the Government would wait for recommendations by US diplomat Dr Richard Haass on Northern Ireland before a Dáil debate on any amnesty for crimes committed before 1998.
A new report published this morning estimates the cost of attempting to deal with legacy issues over the next five years will run to £190m (€227m).
Panorama: Britain's Secret Terror Force is on BBC One at 9pm
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Old 21-11-2013, 06:32 PM
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no doubt the usual suspects on here will come out
with "bad things happen in war get over it"
but any tenuos link to republicans they go into overdrive,
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Old 21-11-2013, 07:08 PM
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When those who make the law,break the law,there is no law.
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Old 21-11-2013, 07:21 PM
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This is just the tip of the iceberg but it will take many years to expose the British collusion in its totality!
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Old 21-11-2013, 07:35 PM
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This is just the tip of the iceberg but it will take many years to expose the British collusion in its totality!
Just read the book on it for the second time- no innocent life should have been taken in the "Troubles". By any side.
SAS Warlord-Tom Siegriste.
The Paramilitaries were covert as were the Military Reaction Force- brutality against brutality.
I found the book to have some simple inaccuracies , badly written and not a great read albeit revealing.
Munty, the total British collusion may never be known as may the location of all the disappeared be known.My point has always been that one side were as bad as the other,i.e. Republican Terrorists v Loyalist Terrorists with a bad element of the Security Forces and some moronical Politicians in the mix.
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Old 21-11-2013, 07:48 PM
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Is this about some terrorists getting terrorised ?

"They don't like it up 'em"
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Old 21-11-2013, 08:01 PM
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Just read the book on it for the second time- no innocent life should have been taken in the "Troubles". By any side.
SAS Warlord-Tom Siegriste.
The Paramilitaries were covert as were the Military Reaction Force- brutality against brutality.
I found the book to have some simple inaccuracies , badly written and not a great read albeit revealing.
Munty, the total British collusion may never be known as may the location of all the disappeared be known.My point has always been that one side were as bad as the other,i.e. Republican Terrorists v Loyalist Terrorists with a bad element of the Security Forces and some moronical Politicians in the mix.
That is a handy way to justify the fact that an occupational Government colludes with loyalist terrorist to murder the innocent citizens they were supposed to protect. You cannot equate the actions of British military acting as terrorist with the word 'rogue'....this went right to the top as we will see in time!. As for the comment re the disappeared...just another cheap shot that does fuck all for your analysis!
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Old 21-11-2013, 08:05 PM
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Is this about some terrorists getting terrorised ?

"They don't like it up 'em"
Watch the prog Stacky- these guys were selected to weed out the RA and make the RA assassinations look like the work of the U.V.F.- cars stolen on the mainland, and a base located in Palace Barracks Brit Army base just on the edge of Belfast-I am surprised that the RA intelligence did not pick up on the cars entering the Army Base- I believe that paramilitaries knew the details of under cover cars modified at the R.U.C. fleet garage near the M1 in Belfast.
Yip, the MRF were shoot and scoot killers like terrorists.
A sort of Dirty Dozen to take out the I.R.A. by direct action - a minute or so away from taking out Adams before the mission was called off.
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Old 21-11-2013, 08:06 PM
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Murder is Murder is Murder.

However the current Republican loving Attorney General in Norn Iron believes that there should be an Amnesty. Does he include the alleged murderous MRF in that Amnesty?

I can't see him being re-elected as AG next time round.
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