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Old 19-02-2012, 09:51 AM
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And today's words are ster-eo-typing and con-de-scension.

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Old 19-02-2012, 10:25 AM
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Listen calm down , tie up your dog by the piece of string you walk with it with, sit down and crack open a nice can of scrumpy . When your nice and comfortable please explain where I demonstrated a lack of social conscience .
Poor Commies they think equality should involve everyone being poor. C'mere your a little lost in all this aren't you? There is no shame in it .
Nah boy, I'm just one a young urban professional in a sector that benefited in the boom and has been decimated by the collapse caused by other sectors that are insulated. I'm lucky to still have a job here and class myself as a middle income earner and therefore middle class. I guess my family background has always been middle class funded by a private small business.

I'd agree with alot of what you have been saying about enterprise and hard work being rewarded. However balancing this with a social conscience seems to equate to communism for you.

I know from my own experience and those of most of my acquaintances that middle income earners cannot keep bearing the full brunt of tax increases. I think more people need to be brought into the tax net at the lower end but to do this social welfare has to come down also to keep an incentive to work if you are taxing low paid. You don't have to live in a working class area though to know that there is only very little scope for taxing the lower paid or reducing welfare as people are struggling. If the tax base is to be widened and the middle income earners are to be hit again it would only be reasonable that the higher earners, the rich, be proportionally hit. I can't see how our progressive tax system and an extension of this (3rd/ higher rate of say 50% on €100k plus) would make everyone "equally poor".

Once the low, middle and high earners are all at their limit of taxation we can't do anymore. Public services will have to be exclussively cut and this disproportionally effects the lower classes leading to further social inequality. Dont for a moment think that resulting social problems and unrest will not affect you in your comfortable surroundings of luxury goods. You can't fully insulate yourself from society so we are all in this together to some extent. If that view makes me a commie, I'm putting on my red armband!

There is an alternative though and it is an end to austerity which would rely on cooperation from Europe (there's an idea) or leaving the EU as it currently operates.
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Old 19-02-2012, 10:26 AM
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And today's words are ster-eo-typing and con-de-scension.

Very good.
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Old 19-02-2012, 10:37 AM
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Nah boy, I'm just one a young urban professional in a sector that benefited in the boom and has been decimated by the collapse caused by other sectors that are insulated. I'm lucky to still have a job here and class myself as a middle income earner and therefore middle class. I guess my family background has always been middle class funded by a private small business.

I'd agree with alot of what you have been saying about enterprise and hard work being rewarded. However balancing this with a social conscience seems to equate to communism for you.

I know from my own experience and those of most of my acquaintances that middle income earners cannot keep bearing the full brunt of tax increases. I think more people need to be brought into the tax net at the lower end but to do this social welfare has to come down also to keep an incentive to work if you are taxing low paid. You don't have to live in a working class area though to know that there is only very little scope for taxing the lower paid or reducing welfare as people are struggling. If the tax base is to be widened and the middle income earners are to be hit again it would only be reasonable that the higher earners, the rich, be proportionally hit. I can't see how our progressive tax system and an extension of this (3rd/ higher rate of say 50% on €100k plus) would make everyone "equally poor".

Once the low, middle and high earners are all at their limit of taxation we can't do anymore. Public services will have to be exclussively cut and this disproportionally effects the lower classes leading to further social inequality. Dont for a moment think that resulting social problems and unrest will not affect you in your comfortable surroundings of luxury goods. You can't fully insulate yourself from society so we are all in this together to some extent. If that view makes me a commie, I'm putting on my red armband!

There is an alternative though and it is an end to austerity which would rely on cooperation from Europe (there's an idea) or leaving the EU as it currently operates.
I have been arguing against taxing higher income earners (which as it happens I am not ) more than everyone else simply because they can afford it. Not once have I said that those who earn less should pay more.

Ah the for us or against us brigade , like I said you're a bit lost in all this aren't you?
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Old 19-02-2012, 10:52 AM
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I have been arguing against taxing higher income earners (which as it happens I am not ) more than everyone else simply because they can afford it. Not once have I said that those who earn less should pay more.

Ah the for us or against us brigade , like I said you're a bit lost in all this aren't you?
Christ, why didn't you say so earlier. If you add the middle income earners to your no tax increases policy I'll vote for you! Nobody paying any increase in taxes would be great... how would this work though? Would we ignore the bailout deal and the budget deficit? How will we fund a stimulus for growth? Help me out I'm a bit lost apparently!
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Old 19-02-2012, 11:03 AM
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Christ, why didn't you say so earlier. If you add the middle income earners to your no tax increases policy I'll vote for you! Nobody paying any increase in taxes would be great... how would this work though? Would we ignore the bailout deal and the budget deficit? How will we fund a stimulus for growth? Help me out I'm a bit lost apparently!
So I take it you can't point out where I have demonstrated a lack of social conscience with my opinions.. Thought as much.

Just another deluded lefty with a tailor made argument that fits all. Let someone else pay , that solves all problems in la la land. Well at least the government can count on you to lie back and think of Ireland when they ride you up the ass with tax for the foreseeable future. You'll probably think you are doing your patriotic duty when you get shafted, sucker.
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Old 19-02-2012, 11:06 PM
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Don't know if the lefties, socialists or commies on here would see me as one of their number either, especially if they met me. I would have considered myself fairly centralist before with a fear that I might one day develop conservative right of centre tendencies as I got older. The fact that an extreme neo lib anti socialism zealot like yourself considers me a lefty gives me a bit of comfort. Thanks!
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Old 20-02-2012, 02:33 PM
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All sorts of Balm pots in this thread ....
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Old 20-02-2012, 03:40 PM
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condescending prick is a better phrase .
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Old 20-02-2012, 08:08 PM
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Has anyone actually received a demand for the household charge through their letterbox.
I haven't and everyone I know hasn't either.
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