Yeah but every song taken on its own can be labelled, but Metallica always had long ballads but their albums would leave you in no doubt as to what genre they belonged in, especially the first three. Gnr would be what I'd consider a rock band. Metallica most definitely were thrash metal.
Ya but do Slipnot, Sepultura etc produce ballads?
Do you loose your entitlement to be a 'true metaller' when you effectively have a love ballad being played on MTV?
The phrase 'keeping it real' springs to mind. Metallica certainly did not.
Do you loose your entitlement to be a 'true metaller' when you effectively have a love ballad being played on MTV?
The phrase 'keeping it real' springs to mind. Metallica certainly did not.
slipknot have a couple that are teeter tottering on the fence between metal and love ballad, i think. certainly the front man, corey somethingorother's side project "stone sour" have many, but are still considered a metal band. whether or not they are seen as "keep it real", i do not know.
in sepultura's case, i haven't heard a love ballad, but they do have lots of brazilian folk stuff on the albums. i really like that stuff, in particular "kaiowas" (i think that's what it's called), but then i have strange tastes in music.
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Metallica's problem might have been that their ballads were too popular. Their first three albums are really raw, with very little if any of that but one of the two immovable egos in the band obviously pushed them down the ballad route.
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Metallica's problem might have been that their ballads were too popular. Their first three albums are really raw, with very little if any of that but one of the two immovable egos in the band obviously pushed them down the ballad route.
i think it was "one" that was the beginning of their crossover to more accessible music. many "true" metallers (i think that term is a load of bollocks, and just means that you're ignorant when it comes to music) stopped listening to them when they cut their hair, yet those same "true" metallers are the first to give out shit about bands and artists today being marketed based on their image.
i've never been a fan of metallica, for the record.
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Still listen to a bit, but not so much since Metallica jumped the shark.
There was a period in the 90s when the likes of Metallica, Pantera, Sepultura, Slayer etc were pushing each other and there were some outstanding albums produced, but other than the odd song I don't listen to much of it anymore. If you watched Some Kinda Monster you'd baulk at the carry on.
If you just listen to one genre of music you're limiting yourself to listen to a lot of shite so best to check out everything.
thought it was a fascinating documentary..they were off the rails at that point for that year or so and really comes across in the movie....St Anger is a terrible album but Death Magnetic was a fine album and they have released 4 more songs form the Death Magnetic sessions online and they are class songs..i'll did em out and post here soon
Metallica's problem might have been that their ballads were too popular. Their first three albums are really raw, with very little if any of that but one of the two immovable egos in the band obviously pushed them down the ballad route.
in fairness Metallica were hearing the "sell out" cries from supposed true metal fans as early as 1984 when they had an acoustic guitar on Fade to Black...their 3 classic thrash metal albums all have semi ballads, Fade to Black, Sanatarium & One...The black album changed everything for them with MTV and radio airplay and yes it was a change in sound/song stucture etc but as they have said themselves they just wanted to write shorter simpler songs and i think Bob Rock had alot to do with the more commercial sound of the black album too...still think its a great record
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