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Old 11-12-2008, 09:15 AM
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Thursday December 11 2008

Aine Kerr Political Correspondent

A FORMER senior MEP claimed last night that a rerun of the Lisbon Treaty vote was "a done deal" between Ireland and European Union leaders.

Danish veteran Jens Peter Bonde added that the deal means a new vote will contain declarations with lots of "nice words" that wouldn't actually change "one single paragraph" in the Lisbon Treaty text.

Mr Bonde, a noted Eurosceptic and an opponent of the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties, added: "I know that the French president has told European group leaders in the European Parliament, in confidentiality, that there is a deal now with the Irish government and the French presidency on the . . . rerun."

Mr Bonde's claims were rejected by Foreign Affairs Minister Micheal Martin, who insisted the Taoiseach was travelling to Brussels today to discuss "elements of a solution".

"No deal has been done," he said. "If a deal is done, it has to be arrived at by the 27 member states at the Council on Thursday and Friday. I can assure you that no deal has been arrived at."

With any future solution heavily reliant on Ireland being able to retain its permanent European Commissioner, Mr Martin said some states still preferred the proposed new system that allowed for a rotation of commissioners.

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But the minister said he was encouraged by President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso's remark that he was "convinced" Irish voters' concerns could be met.

Meanwhile, an alliance of 'No' campaigners yesterday said the Government was "conspiring" behind voters' backs to rerun the treaty on the wider agenda of the economic crisis.

Pledging an "intensified effort" if there is a second referendum, Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party claimed there would be an attempt by the Government to "panic" people into voting 'Yes' to save their jobs and homes.

Patricia McKenna of the People's Movement said the Government was trying to make a link between EU membership, Lisbon and tackling the economic crisis. "The public aren't stupid and I don't believe they're going to buy into this argument," she added.

"There is now an attempt to go behind the backs of the people and to find another way to force this through, whether it be through a referendum or through some other procedure."

Sinn Fein's Aengus O Snodaigh claimed the Government was intent on getting people to "keep voting until you get the correct answer", while Roger Cole of the Peace and Neutrality Alliance (PANA) claimed a constitutional challenge was possible against the holding of a second referendum.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...n-1570567.html

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Old 11-12-2008, 09:25 AM
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:13 AM
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Nobody even knows what's in the new document and people are already calling for No votes and Yes votes. How about assessing it on its merits?

Even though I was one of the big Yes cheerleaders on the site last time out, I will wait to see what's in the document. If one of the solutions is an opt-out from the Charter of Fundamental Rights, then I'll be voting No.

I don't expect that to happen. Although Libertas would like it, it would drive the left-wing anti-Lisbonites spare. But like I said, wait and see what's in the document.
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Sinn Fein were on RTE Radio this morning at 7:30, they said vote no.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:18 AM
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Sinn Fein were on RTE Radio this morning at 7:30, they said vote no.
Sinn Fein wants the whole Treaty re-negotiated.

Bloody amateurs.........lit erally.
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Any fool that would vote NO now after what has/is transpiring worldwide is a complete fucking Turnip.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:22 AM
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Sinn Fein were on RTE Radio this morning at 7:30, they said vote no.
All of which proves that the No camp propoganda of "We like the European Union, but don't like this treaty" was bullshit. They would have opposed any treaty presented to them.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:26 AM
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All of which proves that the No camp propoganda of "We like the European Union, but don't like this treaty" was bullshit. They would have opposed any treaty presented to them.
Same side of a different coin for the yes camp.

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Old 11-12-2008, 10:29 AM
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No

I've clearly stated above that a COFR opt-out as proposed by some (Ronan Mullen and Libertas) would cause me to vote No.

As I understand it, that is also the position of the Labour Party, although we reached the conclusion independently.
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