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Old 19-07-2019, 10:15 PM
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I agree, and that is why I am suggesting in my posts, that Cork have to face up to reality and ditch the losing system of the last 15 years, and adopt the proven Cody winning system as defined in my post numbers 34924 and 34938.

Why have the Cork management failed to adopt the winning Cody system. I would love for someone to tell me.
The first fundamental principle of Brian Cody’s philosophy is that the players must have the skills required to compete for the ball. The second is that the players must be able to tackle effectively so that they can put as much pressure as possible on the opposition when they have the ball. More and more managers and coaches are now coming to this realisation. However, in my opinion, this does not constitute a system. Rather they are basic core skills which all players need to have if a team is to be competitive regardless of any system they might be trying to implement.

I think the problem in Cork may be that we believe that the game has moved on so immeasurably that we no longer need to coach these basic core skills.
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Old 19-07-2019, 10:26 PM
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The first fundamental principle of Brian Cody’s philosophy is that the players must have the skills required to compete for the ball. The second is that the players must be able to tackle effectively so that they can put as much pressure as possible on the opposition when they have the ball. More and more managers and coaches are now coming to this realisation. However, in my opinion, this does not constitute a system. Rather they are basic core skills which all players need to have if a team is to be competitive regardless of any system they might be trying to implement.

I think the problem in Cork may be that we believe that the game has moved on so immeasurably that we no longer need to coach these basic core skills.
The problem in cork is we expect teams to take us on in a pure hurling game, and when they refuse to we don't have the necessary tools to counteract that. Hurling is not PlayStation
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Old 19-07-2019, 10:45 PM
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The problem in cork is we expect teams to take us on in a pure hurling game, and when they refuse to we don't have the necessary tools to counteract that. Hurling is not PlayStation
I can’t speak for anybody else, red&blue, but I certainly don’t expect teams to take us on in a pure hurling game no more than I’d expect Eoin Cadogan to take on Aaron Gillane in a pure hurling game. As a Corkman and a supporter of Cork hurling for over fifty years what I do expect is that the basic core skills of the game of hurling would be coached.
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Old 20-07-2019, 10:52 AM
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I agree, and that is why I am suggesting in my posts, that Cork have to face up to reality and ditch the losing system of the last 15 years, and adopt the proven Cody winning system as defined in my post numbers 34924 and 34938.

Why have the Cork management failed to adopt the winning Cody system. I would love for someone to tell me.
Puke hurling is not our way. That we need to do the basics right, no argument. That we need to be more "up for it", no argument. That we need to adapt from pure wristy hurling and be able to ship tackles and contest dirty ball, no argument.

That we need to stoop to 3 man tackling, free arm tackles, helmet tipping, hurleys round the neck, pulling across the arms and chest and rugby tackling forwards to the ground when 1 on 1 inside the 21.............I'll pass thanks very much.
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Old 20-07-2019, 11:17 AM
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Puke hurling is not our way. That we need to do the basics right, no argument. That we need to be more "up for it", no argument. That we need to adapt from pure wristy hurling and be able to ship tackles and contest dirty ball, no argument.

That we need to stoop to 3 man tackling, free arm tackles, helmet tipping, hurleys round the neck, pulling across the arms and chest and rugby tackling forwards to the ground when 1 on 1 inside the 21.............I'll pass thanks very much.
I agree with the first paragraph but the second paragraph is bollocks in fairness.
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Old 20-07-2019, 11:24 AM
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Puke hurling is not our way. That we need to do the basics right, no argument. That we need to be more "up for it", no argument. That we need to adapt from pure wristy hurling and be able to ship tackles and contest dirty ball, no argument.

That we need to stoop to 3 man tackling, free arm tackles, helmet tipping, hurleys round the neck, pulling across the arms and chest and rugby tackling forwards to the ground when 1 on 1 inside the 21.............I'll pass thanks very much.
Lmfao, still a loser C32

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I agree with the first paragraph but the second paragraph is bollocks in fairness.
Pure tripe but he hates KK with a passion.

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Old 20-07-2019, 12:35 PM
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"Pure wristy hurling"

"Puke hurling"

"Pure hurling"

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Old 20-07-2019, 06:37 PM
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I can’t speak for anybody else, red&blue, but I certainly don’t expect teams to take us on in a pure hurling game no more than I’d expect Eoin Cadogan to take on Aaron Gillane in a pure hurling game. As a Corkman and a supporter of Cork hurling for over fifty years what I do expect is that the basic core skills of the game of hurling would be coached.
Gougane, I was talking more about the players, it looks to me like that's their attitude, this is how we'll play and we hope you'll let us show our silky skills and may the best team win, and when the opposition don't go along with that we just dont have the tools to fight it out
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Old 20-07-2019, 08:07 PM
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Lmfao, still a loser C32



Pure tripe but he hates KK with a passion.
Wreaks of a fella who never played hurling
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Old 21-07-2019, 09:36 AM
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Gougane, I was talking more about the players, it looks to me like that's their attitude, this is how we'll play and we hope you'll let us show our silky skills and may the best team win, and when the opposition don't go along with that we just dont have the tools to fight it out
In my opinion,Red&Blue, what happens is that managements in Cork place far too much faith in systems and not nearly enough in the players. The first major shortcoming of this is that the players lose the ability to think for themselves and to play what’s in front of them. Instead they mindlessly continue to follow the system even when it's failing. Secondly, they fail to realise that when you go out on to the field getting the better of your man is paramount. Thirdly, systems look very good when they work but by and large good managements usually have figured out a system to counteract it by the time the second half begins. As a result when the system fails you are left with nothing.

The tools to fight it out are the mindset and the skill set of the players. The mindset is the determination not to be beaten by the man you’re marking. The skills needed to fight it out are the basic core skills of competing for the ball and being able to tackle properly. Personally I couldn’t emphasise enough the importance of tackling.
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