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Old 22-10-2019, 08:53 AM
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That's always been the DUP way though. They've ruled the roost in the north for so long they see nothing wrong with their Chameleon Politics as there was never anyone strong enough on their own to punish their hypocrisy in the ballot box. Changing times.
They never take responsibility and now the Tories have dumped them and the E.U. had out muscled them as a bigger power that could not be bullied.

The R.H.I. inquiry will be out shortly to deliver the coup de grace and they are having a meltdown as N.I. will not even be in the U.K. single market shortly.
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Old 22-10-2019, 08:59 AM
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Are you similarly critical of the Alliance and SDLP jimmy?

Whether we like it or not Abortion and Same Sex Marriage are already on the statute books in this jurisdiction - SF have already campaigned on behalf of both. Do you think SF should object to the imposition of rules that pertain south of the border, just because it's the HOC that threatened it as a lever to try get the DUP back into Stormont and when the DUP refused to go back to Stormont on the previously agreed terms, the HOC carried out their "threat" of regularising the legislation right across these islands, even on the last hold-out corner?
I have seen videos of elisha mccallion sf mp who i think is martina andersons
niece saying Britain has no right to impose laws on ireland and should have no say in Irish affairs, But i saw a post from her this morning hailing the decision,
I have no issues with the north being brought into line with the south ansd the UK, but it cant be a case of we will fight British interference on some issues but gladly accept others,
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:04 AM
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I have seen videos of elisha mccallion sf mp who i think is martina andersons
niece saying Britain has no right to impose laws on ireland and should have no say in Irish affairs, But i saw a post from her this morning hailing the decision,
I have no issues with the north being brought into line with the south ansd the UK, but it cant be a case of we will fight British interference on some issues but gladly accept others,
jimmy, what should SF say to people wanting Same Sex marriage or Abortion in the north. SF campaigned for it. Parity of Esteem is a basic tenet. Should SF tell those from the north wanting to marry their partner, or deciding they really need an abortion, that they should just suck it up until SF come into power, whenever those that are anti-Same Sex Marriage, and anti-Abortion eventually go back to the agreement on returning to Stormont? That could be months, even years away still jimmy.
And justice delayed is justice denied.
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:19 AM
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jimmy, what should SF say to people wanting Same Sex marriage or Abortion in the north. SF campaigned for it. Parity of Esteem is a basic tenet. Should SF tell those from the north wanting to marry their partner, or deciding they really need an abortion, that they should just suck it up until SF come into power, whenever those that are anti-Same Sex Marriage, and anti-Abortion eventually go back to the agreement on returning to Stormont? That could be months, even years away still jimmy.
And justice delayed is justice denied.
As i said i have no issue with this being implemented , Peadar Toibin is very vocal in saying SF actively lobbied The British government on this, I cant say for sure if they did or didnt but is that not an Ala CARTE approach if so?
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:24 AM
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jimmy, what should SF say to people wanting Same Sex marriage or Abortion in the north. SF campaigned for it. Parity of Esteem is a basic tenet. Should SF tell those from the north wanting to marry their partner, or deciding they really need an abortion, that they should just suck it up until SF come into power, whenever those that are anti-Same Sex Marriage, and anti-Abortion eventually go back to the agreement on returning to Stormont? That could be months, even years away still jimmy.
And justice delayed is justice denied.
What say you if Westminister decreed there would be no ILA in NI?
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:26 AM
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As i said i have no issue with this being implemented , Peadar Toibin is very vocal in saying SF actively lobbied The British government on this, I cant say for sure if they did or didnt but is that not an Ala CARTE approach if so?
British threatened the DUP with something they clearly didn't like to either go to the agreed return to Stormont or else the normalisation of legislation in the rest of these islands would be imposed.
DUP refused, so I very much doubt SF would have lobbied the British to go easy on the DUP. But I honestly think you're pointing the finger of blame in the wrong quarter in all of this jimmy.

Had Stormont been back up and running, as previously agreed, then I think it's almost certain that neither Abortion nor SSM would be on the statute books in the north today. The DUP along with the other bible bashers in the unionist side would have vetoed it.
But the DUP didn't want Stormont back up and running for a number of reasons. Even the Alliance Party and SDLP called the Unionists out yesterday for their political stunt.
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:26 AM
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People in Ireland, north and south, taigs and prods, will have to come to terms with a united Ireland whether they want it or not.

The SNP will be taking Scotland out of the UK after the next general election.

England will end up with Wales and the Falklands in their empire.

Northern Ireland will be impossible to finance for the republic of Ireland.
There's going to have to be a new solidarity tax put on the barstooolers.

Like the west Germans had to pay to re-unify east Germany.

A tax they're still paying - 24 years later.

Grim scenes ahead.
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:32 AM
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People in Ireland, north and south, taigs and prods, will have to come to terms with a united Ireland whether they want it or not.

The SNP will be taking Scotland out of the UK after the next general election.

England will end up with Wales and the Falklands in their empire.

Northern Ireland will be impossible to finance for the republic of Ireland.
There's going to have to be a new solidarity tax put on the barstooolers.

Like the west Germans had to pay to re-unify east Germany.

A tax they're still paying - 24 years later.

Grim scenes ahead.
Bertie reckons there will be a border poll in the next decade,
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:35 AM
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British threatened the DUP with something they clearly didn't like to either go to the agreed return to Stormont or else the normalisation of legislation in the rest of these islands would be imposed.
DUP refused, so I very much doubt SF would have lobbied the British to go easy on the DUP. But I honestly think you're pointing the finger of blame in the wrong quarter in all of this jimmy.

Had Stormont been back up and running, as previously agreed, then I think it's almost certain that neither Abortion nor SSM would be on the statute books in the north today. The DUP along with the other bible bashers in the unionist side would have vetoed it.
But the DUP didn't want Stormont back up and running for a number of reasons. Even the Alliance Party and SDLP called the Unionists out yesterday for their political stunt.
Dont get me wrong The DUP are an absolute disgrace, clinging onto power by their finger tips , Stormont needs to be up and running asap ANG is the only stumbling block remaining on SF side and in my opinion even the most ardent gaegeors would be happy to park it for a while if it meant government was back up and running, asf approach here should be that they are willing to go back to stormont without preconditions , put the ball firmly in DUP court,
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Old 22-10-2019, 09:38 AM
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I think it's all coming to a head in the coming days/weeks anyway jimmy. It's just with brexit "I stepped out, I stepped in again" dance going on things are precarious.

And the old adage of "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake" is probably being applied at the moment vis-à-vis DUP
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