The Official Lenient Sentence Thread

[CaptainSensible]

Originally Posted by Donald Trump

Captain, there’s very simple practical solutions to all the problems you point out.

Cooperation between police and legislation.

I’m sorry, but I’m perfectly okay with having conditions placed on citizenship, namely don’t rape or murder anyone.

Then you have the full rights of a citizen. If you can’t manage that, tough.

Yes but it doesn't happen too often and especially across jurisdictions. As pointy says common sense but unfortunately to expect that is a bit of a pipe dream.

So, basically, in the absence of common sense if a country gives someone citizenship and it turns out badly, they have to own it. You can't have a situation whereby countries keep all the good ones and return all the wrong ones.

Wasn't there a case in Ireland a good few years back whereby someone adopted a baby from Asia and gave it back after a year because it wasn't working out for them.

[Donald Trump]

Originally Posted by CaptainSensible

Yes but it doesn't happen too often and especially across jurisdictions. As pointy says common sense but unfortunately to expect that is a bit of a pipe dream.

So, basically, in the absence of common sense if a country gives someone citizenship and it turns out badly, they have to own it. You can't have a situation whereby countries keep all the good ones and return all the wrong ones.

Wasn't there a case in Ireland a good few years back whereby someone adopted a baby from Asia and gave it back after a year because it wasn't working out for them.

Er, yes you can.

We’re talking about a tiny amount of people who commit serious violent crimes. Being granted citizenship oh a country is an enormous privilege, whether it’s a Nigerian here, an English man in New York or an Irish woman in Australia.

If it comes with rights, it can come with a few small conditions attached too. Just saying it can’t, doesn’t make it so.

I looked it up. When someone becomes a naturalized Irish citizen they promise to uphold our laws and respect our democracy. I’d say raping a woman is not just a violation of that promise, but a gross violation of it. I think it’s more than enough to withdraw the citizenship they clearly don’t respect.

[CaptainSensible]

Originally Posted by Donald Trump

Er, yes you can.

We’re talking about a tiny amount of people who commit serious violent crimes. Being granted citizenship oh a country is an enormous privilege, whether it’s a Nigerian here, an English man in New York or an Irish woman in Australia.

If it comes with rights, it can come with a few small conditions attached too. Just saying it can’t, doesn’t make it so.

I looked it up. When someone becomes a naturalized Irish citizen they promise to uphold our laws and respect our democracy. I’d say raping a woman is not just a violation of that promise, but a gross violation of it. I think it’s more than enough to withdraw the citizenship they clearly don’t respect.

I'd refer to it more as a bet/investment on the people being granted citizenship.

For the most part countries grant citizenship on the grounds they think immigrants will improve the economy etc and as only a minority offend therefore the odds are in our favour unlike betting with the bookies.

What you want here is the equivalent of being able to hand in your losing docket to PaddyPower and demand your money back if your horse loses.

Sorry its called taking personal responsibility for our actions, you talked about conditions attached and these do exist, it's called the law, they break it and they serve time in prison just like everybody else.

We can't go shovelling our shit back to countries because sure as hell they will then reciprocate. We might gain a few rapists on the whole or we might lose a few rapists , but that is not really the point.

[Warm Leatherette]

Originally Posted by CaptainSensible

Yes but it doesn't happen too often and especially across jurisdictions. As pointy says common sense but unfortunately to expect that is a bit of a pipe dream.

So, basically, in the absence of common sense if a country gives someone citizenship and it turns out badly, they have to own it. You can't have a situation whereby countries keep all the good ones and return all the wrong ones.

Wasn't there a case in Ireland a good few years back whereby someone adopted a baby from Asia and gave it back after a year because it wasn't working out for them.

It was a couple where the husband was Irish, the wife I think was Russian. As far as I remember this didn't happen in Ireland, they might have been living somewhere in Asia. Anyway the situation of child in that case is harldly comparable to someone who commits violent crime as an adult.

[Drucker]

Fraudster told to get out of Ireland or face longer jail term after Cork phone scam
Liam Heylin
A SOUTH African student was sentenced to five years with the last four years suspended on condition that he would leave Ireland for setting up a scam in Cork to get bill-pay phones to sell on the internet.

Judge Gerard O’Brien said at Cork Circuit Criminal Court that the bulk of the sentence would be suspended on condition that the accused would leave Ireland within three months of his release from prison.

The judge said the probation report was extremely negative and expressed the view that he had been dishonest with services.

“I have grave reservations in relation to the matter. The level of sophistication and premeditation is alarming to say the least.

“I am impressed by the letter about his change of heart. Concerning is the probation report that he is a high risk of reoffending. I don’t believe he is learning from his offending.

“It is society that suffers from crimes like this.”

Detective Garda Anne Flynn who investigated the fraud said that Brandon Abrahams got false driving licences and utility bills with various Cork addresses for the purpose of obtaining bill-pay phones.

The fraudulent activity was investigated following a complaint from a member of staff at the 3 network about a man committing fraud with mobile phone contracts.

Det Garda Flynn said, “I commenced an investigation. A search warrant was obtained. The property he was residing in was searched.

“Essentially what he did was he obtained false driving licences and utility bills from the internet. He used these false licences and utility bills to enter into phone contracts.

“Generally, €550 Samsung phones were obtained.

“He would also report the phones lost and he would get a replacement phone. He sold phones on the internet.

“The total number of phones was valued at over €6,600. On two occasions he reported phones lost. He called to Anglesea Street and the Bridewell garda stations to do this. He used the false licences to report the phones lost.”

The detective agreed with Det. Garda Flynn that the accused man co-operated with the investigation and pleaded guilty to various offences and that this obviated the necessity for a trial that would have required a lot of witnesses.

Brandon Abrahams of The Annex, 4 Nursery View, Glasheen Road, Cork, was charged by Detective Garda Anne Flynn with 22 charges.

Ten of the counts related to the alleged acquiring of phones by deception such as the Samsung Galaxy S7 from various phone shops, mainly at 3 stores in Cork, Dublin and Clonmel. Other charges are related to using false documentation related to these offences.

Abrahams testified at Cork Circuit Criminal Court, “First and foremost I would like to apologise to the courts and the guards for my actions.

“I came here six years ago. I was in a very volatile situation in South Africa. My mother suffers from bi-polar. My parents separate.

“I was not able to pay my fees. I was not entitled to social welfare or any benefits or any supports.

“I don’t have any plans of reoffending in the future. It is my first time in prison. It has opened by eyes.”

Niamh Stewart BL said, “He has no status in this country so he was not on social welfare. He has no drug or alcohol addiction. He was neglected by his mother and living on the streets in South Africa.”

[Wings]

"Judge" Martin Nolan leaving paedos and sex offenders off again,he definitely needs his hard drive checked

[One]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...64363?mode=amp

Woman repeatedly raped by boyfriend while sleeping awarded €1m
Niamh Ní Dhomhnaill received ‘extremely shocking’ email detailing how she had been repeatedly violated

A woman who was raped and sexually assaulted by her then boyfriend multiple times while she slept has been awarded a total €1 million damages by a High Court jury.

Niamh Ní Dhomhnaill told the jury in evidence she “felt unsafe everywhere” as a result of the actions of Magnus Meyer Hustveit.

She was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder, had been unable to continue her much loved teaching job, left Ireland for several years, and had tried at one stage to take her own life.

Becoming tearful during her evidence, she said: “There has never been a part of me that has not been profoundly impacted.”

The impact of the assaults on Ms Ní Dhomhnaill was about nine to 9½ out of 10 on a scale on severity, a psychiatrist told the jury.

Ms Ní Dhomhnaill, with an address in Dublin, took High Court civil proceedings seeking damages against Hustveit, with an address at Jens Bjelkes Gate Apartments, Oslo, Norway.

He was given a 15-month prison sentence following a finding by the Court of Appeal in 2016 that his original wholly suspended seven-year sentence was “unduly lenient”.

Hustveit had pleaded guilty at the Central Criminal Court to one count of rape and one count of sexual assault committed against Ms Ní Dhomhnaill between 2011 and 2012. The offences happened when both were in their twenties.

In imposing a 15-month prison term, the COA said the combination of factors including Hustveit’s co-operation, voluntary return to Ireland to be charged, previous good character and positive life he was now leading in Norway – justified and required a sentence appreciably less than would be normal in cases of multiple rapes.

In her civil proceedings, Ms Ní Dhomnhnaill, represented by Niall Buckley, sought damages for multiple acts of sexual assault on dates unknown between May 2011 to the end April 2012 at an apartment in Belvedere Place, Dublin.

She sought damages for personal injuries, loss and damage caused by the assault, battery, rape, sexual assault and intentional infliction of emotional harm on his part.

Judgment was entered in default of defence and the jury was told by Mr Justice Max Barrett on Thursday their task was to assess damages only.

Having heard evidence from Ms Ní Dhomhnaill, her mother and a psychiatrist, the jury assessed damages in a total sum of €1 million, comprising €350,000 general damages, €400,000 aggravated damages and €250,000 punitive damages.

In her action, Ms Ní Dhomhnaill said she was in a sexual relationship with Hustveit from May 2011 and they had moved in together into the Belvedere Place flat around September 2011 until the relationship ended around April, 29th 2012.

She said Hustveit had repeatedly raped and sexually assaulted her while she was asleep. She said Hustveit had admitted on April 29th 2012 he had raped her and this had been going on for some period of time.

She received an email from him on May 27th, 2012 admitting he penetrated her with his penis and/or hands, touched her and kissed her while she was asleep over a prolonged period and used her body for his own gratification.

‘Extremely shocking’
Receiving the email was “extremely shocking” and disturbing as it detained in a clinical manner how she had been repeatedly violated in her sleep by him. The “quite chilling” detail demonstrated his “absolute awareness of what he was doing”.

During the relevant period of time, she also discovered a large fist sized bruise on the inside of her upper thigh which took about a week to heal. She attempted in September 2013 to take her own life by taking an overdose of sleeping tablets prescribed for her in the aftermath of the rapes and sexual assaults.

She had attended weekly therapy sessions and a psychotherapist, had issues around food and excessive exercising and abusing laxative tablets and had at times struggled to leave her bedroom and home. All her relationships and friendships had been affected and she continues to feel frightened about trusting people, including her parents.

Unable to continue in her much-loved teaching job, she left Ireland for London where she sought to lose herself in studying psychology. She was concerned she began overachieving “to compensate” for what had happened. She continues to have disturbing nightmares and could not say how she would be in 10 years.

Her mother Josephine McDonald said she had noticed changes in her daughter over the period in question. From being independent, active and very articulate, she had become distant and withdrawn. “I could feel an anxiety about her.”

Her concerns were confirmed when her daughter told her in August 2012 she had been raped, she said. While she has achieved a lot since, she “is not back to my Niamh yet”, she said.

[Happyhonkaman]

so the fella in the last post gets 15 months for repeatedly raping someone.. and this fella gets 2 years for smashing a few tellys

consistency in a world gone mad

Man (32) smashed TVs at Paddy Power for ruining his life through gambling

Defendant wanted to get into prison as he was tired of sleeping rough, court told

The judge said the defendant had not only caused criminal damage, he had also put patrons and staff at Paddy Power in fear even if the risk to them was peripheral. File photograph: Michael Stephens/PA Wire
A homeless man has been jailed for two years after he admitted smashing up twelve TV screens worth over €15,000 at Paddy Power bookmakers because he blamed the bookies for his gambling addiction and ruining his life.

Philip Barry (32), a native of Ballincollig, Co Cork but currently of no fixed abode, went into the Paddy Power shop on Cornmarket Street in Cork on June 4th 2019 and picked up a stool and smashed the 55 inch TV screens.

He pleaded guilty to causing criminal damage when he appeared at Cork Circuit Criminal Court last November and was remanded in custody until Wednesday for sentence by Judge Brian O’Callaghan.

Defence barrister Alison McCarthy BL said on Wednesday that her client had deliberately smashed the TV screens as he wanted to get into prison as he had nowhere to stay and was tired of sleeping on the streets.

The court previously heard that Barry had a total of 103 previous convictions including eight for criminal damage as well as ones for assault and public order but he was not on bail at the time of the latest offence.

Ms McCarthy pleaded for leniency, pointing out that the defendant had stayed out of trouble from 2009 until 2018 when he was living at home with his parents but he left home after his mother died as he did not get on with his father.

The fact he had stayed out of trouble between 2009 and 2018 highlighted the difference that secure accommodation made and she said Barry’s sister was willing to offer him a place to stay if he was to receive a suspended sentence.

However Judge Brian O’Callaghan said it was a serious case.

He acknowledged that Barry had assisted gardaí by voluntarily handing himself in within three hours of smashing the TVs and making full admissions.

But he said Barry had not only caused criminal damage, he had also put patrons and staff at Paddy Power in fear even if the risk to them was peripheral.

Judge O’Callaghan sentenced him to three years but suspended the final 12 months.

[Matlock]

Originally Posted by Happyhonkaman

so the fella in the last post gets 15 months for repeatedly raping someone.. and this fella gets 2 years for smashing a few tellys

consistency in a world gone mad

I think the sentence in the first case was far too light, but it was a very unusual case in that the defendant would never have been prosecuted if he hadn't admitted to the offence and this seems to have impacted the sentence.

2 years for a serious criminal damage case, with over 100 priors seems about right imo

[Pontipine]

What about the dirty fecker that picked up the young teenage hitchiker and started playing with his mickey mouse?

He has past form yet still only got 18 months with 9 suspended. Are we waiting for him to kill some young girl?

The UK are locking these scum up and deporting them on completion of their sentences.