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View Poll Results: What is the maximum time frame you would be ok with?
Less than 12 weeks - specify in comments 2 16.67%
12 weeks (3 months approx) 7 58.33%
16 weeks (4months) 0 0%
20 weeks (5 months) 0 0%
24 weeks (6months) 0 0%
28 weeks (7 months) 0 0%
32 weeks (8 months) 0 0%
36 - 40 weeks (9 months +) 3 25.00%
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Old 16-04-2018, 12:44 PM
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I don't know if you need a strong opinion on it, because Id say a lot of people cannot make that call. You've already referenced the 6 month point in my mail, but Im really not sure Im comfortable with 4 or 5 months either when the abortion is simply a choice the mother has made.

If there are medical grounds all bets are off and I would trust that a 7 month abortion is ok if deemed necessary for the safety of the mother, or if the baby had no longer a chance of survival.

It is not as straight forward as 'pick a date'


Letting experts decide is not a misnomer. It is highly subjective on a certain level and therefore expert opinion will always vary. Still, these medical guys are better placed to make an informed decision than I am. Within that grouping you could have a genealogical surgeon who is a member of Opus Dei who will distort the decision and discussion, but that happens in every facet of governing and decision making here
I disagree and believe I have clearly demonstrated that experts views span the entire spectrum.

I would just like to point out here, to bring us back on track, what I'm actually asking here. I'm asking about abortion "without specific indication", as was put forward to the Citizen's Assembly. Also known as abortion on demand. There is already legislation for abortion if there is a threat to the mother's life, and obviously medical experts are the only ones who can decide which course of medical intervention is taken, within the framework of legislation.

So the question I'm asking is fundamentally an ethical and moral one. It's a question of conscience. Every single one of us is allowed have an opinion on what is ethically right or wrong when it comes to a timeframe on on demand abortions. This isn't to role of doctors alone, whose views vary hugely anyway. When having a view on the ethics and morality of a timeframe on on demand abortions, "experts" views don't really come into it.

I'm asking for people's opinion on the matter, from a moral position. I understand some people don't want to answer that, even if it's just an approx timeframe. And others are quite happy to answer.
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Old 16-04-2018, 12:45 PM
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I'm of the firm belief that the limit should be set at two years. What if the little bundle of joy turns out to be a prick?
Ive seen kids completely flip-flop when they become threenagers.. Id set it at 4 just to be sure to be sure
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Old 16-04-2018, 01:20 PM
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Ive seen kids completely flip-flop when they become threenagers.. Id set it at 4 just to be sure to be sure
Good point.

I mean, if they're incapable of wiping their own arse are they really even human?
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Old 16-04-2018, 01:25 PM
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Good point.

I mean, if they're incapable of wiping their own arse are they really even human?
nah, they're like baboons without the hair

#4-4-Sure starts here
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Old 16-04-2018, 01:27 PM
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Good point.

I mean, if they're incapable of wiping their own arse are they really even human?
you mean they are just even bigger more coherent clumps of cells?
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Old 16-04-2018, 02:45 PM
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you mean they are just even bigger more coherent clumps of cells?
Coherent?

Have you ever met a four year old that could hold a conversation?
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Old 16-04-2018, 04:00 PM
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Coherent?

Have you ever met a four year old that could hold a conversation?
I was going on the clump of cells v human piece but as it happens yes - I have met 4 year olds who think they are 84
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Old 16-04-2018, 04:19 PM
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It's not dominating the agenda, but it's a pretty fundamental aspect of it. There are varying timeframes around the world on the cut off point, and we as a society have to decide whether we remove the equal rights of the unborn, and if we do we must subsequently decide on a timeframe. And this timeframe can change depending on the government of the day.


No No No, of course the expert committee that reports to the Dail Committee will be THE most expert of experts and whatever they say will be the most advanced thinking on abortions throughout the world. Ever. Dot com.
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Old 16-04-2018, 04:57 PM
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No No No, of course the expert committee that reports to the Dail Committee will be THE most expert of experts and whatever they say will be the most advanced thinking on abortions throughout the world. Ever. Dot com.
Thanks for consolidating my entire point. You could gather numerous "expert groups" from around the world and they could return different timeframes, thus proving that leave the "experts" decide is a misnomer.

The reality is there are a lot of people that are caught in two minds on the matter and the thoughts of on demand latter stage abortions (from the oft mentioned 12 weeks) being legalised by a future government may be too much from a moral or ethical point of view and persuade them to vote No.
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Old 16-04-2018, 04:59 PM
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Thanks for consolidating my entire point. You could gather numerous "expert groups" from around the world and they could return different timeframes, thus proving that leave the "experts" decide is a misnomer.

The reality is there are a lot of people that are caught in two minds on the matter and the thoughts of on demand latter stage abortions (from the oft mentioned 12 weeks) being legalised by a future government may be too much from a moral or ethical point of view and persuade them to vote No.
Erm I was agreeing with you. I guess sarcasm doesn't transmit very well in the written word at times.
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