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Old 19-11-2018, 06:17 PM
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“We sometimes have to search for the DNA of a street, but Oliver Plunkett Street exudes it - it’s a vibrant living street and community, full of little surprises,”
There is no community on Oliver Plunkett Street.
Indeed plenty of surprises at 3 AM, mostly lavatorial, young wans pissing the in phone box outside the OP. Others pissing in the dark side lanes. Fighting.
There seems to be a cluster of City Hall supporters here.
Given the Flood Walls debacle, the failed first attempt at Panaban, the 4.7 Million pa in compensation due to the slippery paving slab, this is surprising. It seems more likely that you guys are serial objectors. Bickering over details while ignoring the substantive issue. I doubt that any of you actually believe a word you say, nor do you support City Halls daft policies.

Those shops were shut down at the time of the photo, but not now, kinda misses the point. Two very large shops were closed simultaneously on our Main Street. Similarly Russells and O Callaghan's are gone. Irrespective of City Hall's desperate lying, our City Centre is blatantly empty during prime afternoon shopping hours.



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No you missed the point. You posted pictures of empty units that are actually occupied. That actually shows the opposite of what you're trying to say. O'Callaghan's unit is occupied with another business and I passed Russell's today and it has a big SALE AGREED sign splashed all over it. You are fake news I'm afraid.
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Old 19-11-2018, 06:46 PM
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You are just inventing bickerish points. Obviously they were empty when Billy took the shots. They were occupied before they were empty too. So what?
What neither of us knows is how many spaces are currently closed, between tenants, what is the average length of closure time between tenants, and what is the frequency of changing tenants, as compared to previously. How long were Russells, O Callaghan's there? What tenants were in the OP Euro shop, Kebab Place, Centra, previously and for how long.
Frequently changing tenancy is IMO a very unhealthy symptom.
May I ask you straight rebel, do you support City Hall's actions?

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Old 19-11-2018, 07:30 PM
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You are just inventing bickerish points. Obviously they were empty when Billy took the shots. They were occupied before they were empty too. So what?
What neither of us knows is how many spaces are currently closed, between tenants, what is the average length of closure time between tenants, and what is the frequency of changing tenants, as compared to previously. How long were Russells, O Callaghan's there? What tenants were in the OP Euro shop, Kebab Place, Centra, previously and for how long.
Frequently changing tenancy is IMO a very unhealthy symptom.
May I ask you straight rebel, do you support City Hall's actions?

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I support moves to a more livable, people friendly city. Not a car filled hellhole that you espouse.

No business lasts forever, changing tenants are a fact of business all over the world. Grafton Street has new shops opening routinely. Cleary's in Dumpland has been idle for 3 years.

You admit you don't know if this is even an issue "neither of us knows is how many spaces are currently closed, between tenants, what is the average length of closure time between tenants, and what is the frequency of changing tenants, as compared to previously". Yet claiming doom anyway. Load of nonsense you spout.
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Old 19-11-2018, 08:43 PM
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“We sometimes have to search for the DNA of a street, but Oliver Plunkett Street exudes it - it’s a vibrant living street and community, full of little surprises,”
There is no community on Oliver Plunkett Street.
Indeed plenty of surprises at 3 AM, mostly lavatorial, young wans pissing the in phone box outside the OP. Others pissing in the dark side lanes. Fighting.
There seems to be a cluster of City Hall supporters here.
Given the Flood Walls debacle, the failed first attempt at Panaban, the 4.7 Million pa in compensation due to the slippery paving slab, this is surprising. It seems more likely that you guys are serial objectors. Bickering over details while ignoring the substantive issue. I doubt that any of you actually believe a word you say, nor do you support City Halls daft policies.

Those shops were shut down at the time of the photo, but not now, kinda misses the point. Two very large shops were closed simultaneously on our Main Street. Similarly Russells and O Callaghan's are gone. Irrespective of City Hall's desperate lying, our City Centre is blatantly empty during prime afternoon shopping hours.



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As far as I can make out that is not Oliver Plunkett St but a side street off it going to the South Mall!!
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Old 19-11-2018, 08:49 PM
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As far as I can make out that is not Oliver Plunkett St but a side street off it going to the South Mall!!
Pembroke street, early morn.
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Old 19-11-2018, 09:43 PM
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Pembroke street, early morn.
Do you know what point he was trying to make with that photo? Anyway still waiting for his vision for Cork?
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Old 19-11-2018, 10:16 PM
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You would need to follow Billy McGill's photo stream to know the date and time of day. One of the purposes of his continuing essay is to highlight the disastrous lack of people in town during Panaban.
@leesider, I answered your request already. https://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.co...0&postcount=18







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Old 19-11-2018, 10:21 PM
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Old 19-11-2018, 10:29 PM
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Get a grip on City Hall. There is a bullying arrogant ethos there. Ann Doherty insists on going ahead with the Flood Walls, as soon as she can buy her way past the Legal Obstacles. Panaban failed so now they are throwing money at it. Front page stories in the Examiner featuring two Developers supporting CH. Free Parking, at taxpayers expense. Free Events, at taxpayers expense, on Patricks Street, which nobody is attending.
Remove Free Parking Rights for City Council employees. Have them pay like everyone else.
Remove unilateral powers from Fire Officers, particularly the guy who shut The Lobby.
Lose Panaban and OllieBan.

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Reinstate on-Street Parking. Given the phone payment and such, it should be possible to do better on Disabled Parking. How about making it possible to Book a space and time, anywhere there is the technology, right next to destination, rather than keeping tens of permanently available spaces empty? There must be a better way.
There are big areas of on street parking replaced by Coke Bike Parking. These and all Bike parking should be relocated to the vast areas of pavement.
Tidal Wall. Repair and clean the sides of the River. Stop paving with slippery stones. Remove the blatantly idiotic contra flow cycle lanes and the dangerous lines of brick used to enforce them.
Cut Rates for buildings used as Venues for Live Music with additional help for those promoting Original. Ditto other Arts. There is a vast amount of empty space above ground floor in the City Centre. This is again a Fire/Insurance thing, with listed buildings not allowed external or deployable Fire Escapes. Other Cities have found solutions.

Vast infrastructure on Patrick Street yesterday afternoon. People in their Tens of Thousands stayed away.

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No they didn't. The event was absolutely packed. Given that it was still bright when that photo was taken and the event didn't start til half 6 that photo was clearly taken while they were setting up.

More bullshit.
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Old 19-11-2018, 10:40 PM
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Matlock, your usual stalking criticism. Straw Man rhetoric. The Turning on of the lights is always busy. In your own words, have you evidence of the packed event later on, not that it matters.
My photo (evidence) shows an empty Patricks Street at about 5 PM on a Sunday Afternoon. A time when it should thronged with Shoppers, Browsers, Walkers. It was a nice day.
The photo also shows a lot of expensive hardware and manpower. City Hall are desperately throwing money at Patrick's Street to force their CarLess agenda. Ultimately it will sink or swim naturally. The Cycle Lanes on the South Douglas Road have been wiped off, naturally.
There is a lot of Noise and Spin going on, but it is noteworthy that the big Car Park operators are showing no increase, and in fact are introducing financial incentives to try to attract cars. That sounds like Spin for an actual decrease in Cars visiting the City. City Council associated Parks are offering so called 'Free' Parking till Christmas. A vast loss to the the Taxpayer obviously.

I note even the most creative of naysayers are mute on the topic of the pictures of empty shows from The Parade to Patrick's Bridge. There are more coming.
The City is dying.








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