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Old 17-10-2013, 08:24 PM
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The whole thing is amateur . It's a joke how football is run in Ireland. It's a joke who runs it . Believe me the FAI are the laughing stock of lowball. Nobody takes them seriously
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Old 17-10-2013, 08:24 PM
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A McCarthy type manager won't be long putting an end to that carry on.

Very dissapointed to hear about Long's comment.Sounds like a spoilt child.
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Old 17-10-2013, 08:29 PM
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The whole thing is amateur . It's a joke how football is run in Ireland. It's a joke who runs it . Believe me the FAI are the laughing stock of lowball. Nobody takes them seriously
Yip. It's going to take more than a new manager to improve the fortunes of Irish football.
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Old 18-10-2013, 01:44 PM
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Yip. It's going to take more than a new manager to improve the fortunes of Irish football.
Not really. If a new manager comes in and plays our best players in their correct positions and doesn't fall out with half the squad then that will be a remarkable improvement and very achievable. Dunphy and co. talk a lot of crap but Dunphy has hit on some good points. King was determined to play 4-2-3-1 before he even worked with the squad and played the same formation home and away against two very different teams. Trap as we all know loved his 4-4-2 approach no matter what.

Get in a manager who can adapt for tough games against higher ranked teams and play compact and try break with one or two attackers and then actually try play some football against lower seeded or similar teams. It's not rocket science to improve the team. All the talk is of how poor our choice of players is but to then leave lads who play for Spartak Moscow and premier league teams on the bench or out of the squad in place of league 1 and championship players requires even more explaining.
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Old 18-10-2013, 02:57 PM
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Not really. If a new manager comes in and plays our best players in their correct positions and doesn't fall out with half the squad then that will be a remarkable improvement and very achievable. Dunphy and co. talk a lot of crap but Dunphy has hit on some good points. King was determined to play 4-2-3-1 before he even worked with the squad and played the same formation home and away against two very different teams. Trap as we all know loved his 4-4-2 approach no matter what.

Get in a manager who can adapt for tough games against higher ranked teams and play compact and try break with one or two attackers and then actually try play some football against lower seeded or similar teams. It's not rocket science to improve the team. All the talk is of how poor our choice of players is but to then leave lads who play for Spartak Moscow and premier league teams on the bench or out of the squad in place of league 1 and championship players requires even more explaining.
I'm on about the bigger picture. Youth development and revamping under age coaching etc.
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Old 18-10-2013, 03:02 PM
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Not really. If a new manager comes in and plays our best players in their correct positions and doesn't fall out with half the squad then that will be a remarkable improvement and very achievable. Dunphy and co. talk a lot of crap but Dunphy has hit on some good points. King was determined to play 4-2-3-1 before he even worked with the squad and played the same formation home and away against two very different teams. Trap as we all know loved his 4-4-2 approach no matter what.

Get in a manager who can adapt for tough games against higher ranked teams and play compact and try break with one or two attackers and then actually try play some football against lower seeded or similar teams. It's not rocket science to improve the team. All the talk is of how poor our choice of players is but to then leave lads who play for Spartak Moscow and premier league teams on the bench or out of the squad in place of league 1 and championship players requires even more explaining.
That's far too simplistic. The whole of Irish football needs a massive shake up. Our players are not tactically flexible enough. That was evident the other night when they owned the ball for the whole game but couldn't create an amount of proper chances from open play that matched the superiority of possession.

When it came down to it, the two most vital goals in the game came from route one.
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Old 18-10-2013, 03:22 PM
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tell your FAI to send the Irish kids to boot camps in France, Spain, Italy and Germany

they'll learn other skills than hoofing the ball up the pitch and will slowly and steadily assimilate flair and tactical 'mouse'

or just bring in good few foreign coaches to teach them that at home

that'll take decades but they'll eventually get there
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Old 18-10-2013, 03:24 PM
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I'm on about the bigger picture. Youth development and revamping under age coaching etc.
Fair enough. If England are struggling with the multi-millions they have behind them then it's going to be tough for our amateur leagues.

First thing I would do is get a team together and send them to Germany for a few weeks and write down every bloody single thing they are doing. Germany wouldn't see Ireland as any threat at all, ever, so would probably be delighted to show off how superior they are in every way.

Second thing I would do is have a big meeting with "those" parents and managers who scream and shout on the touchlines as if they are Jose Mourinho. It's about a love for the game and having no fear to try and do the right thing as Johnny Giles would say which is basically take some time on the ball and then pass or shoot. Most underage games have this 6"4 12 year old that is given the ball at every opportunity as he can kick the ball the length of the field and score from halfway. Neither the lads growing at the normal rate nor the lurch benefit from that as the former are afraid to do anything with the ball (or left on the bench as they are too small) and the latter simply gets found out when everyone reaches his own height.

Isn't it in Holland where there is no competitive football until a certain age group? Kids just play football to enjoy playing with the football itself. Whilst trying to google that I came across the site below which has some good ideas.

http://www.thecoachdiary.com/about/
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Old 18-10-2013, 03:39 PM
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Fair enough. If England are struggling with the multi-millions they have behind them then it's going to be tough for our amateur leagues.

First thing I would do is get a team together and send them to Germany for a few weeks and write down every bloody single thing they are doing. Germany wouldn't see Ireland as any threat at all, ever, so would probably be delighted to show off how superior they are in every way.

Second thing I would do is have a big meeting with "those" parents and managers who scream and shout on the touchlines as if they are Jose Mourinho. It's about a love for the game and having no fear to try and do the right thing as Johnny Giles would say which is basically take some time on the ball and then pass or shoot. Most underage games have this 6"4 12 year old that is given the ball at every opportunity as he can kick the ball the length of the field and score from halfway. Neither the lads growing at the normal rate nor the lurch benefit from that as the former are afraid to do anything with the ball (or left on the bench as they are too small) and the latter simply gets found out when everyone reaches his own height.

Isn't it in Holland where there is no competitive football until a certain age group? Kids just play football to enjoy playing with the football itself. Whilst trying to google that I came across the site below which has some good ideas.


http://www.thecoachdiary.com/about/
Countries like Belguim, Denmark and Sweden all have done something similar. All their under age teams are coached to play in more or less the same way so when it comes to playing for the national teams there is no real transition. Obviously you still need talented players but having a system that players have grown up with and understand can only be of benefit.

Spain are probably the best example at the moment. Champions at various levels under age and senior.
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Old 18-10-2013, 03:41 PM
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That's far too simplistic. The whole of Irish football needs a massive shake up. Our players are not tactically flexible enough. That was evident the other night when they owned the ball for the whole game but couldn't create an amount of proper chances from open play that matched the superiority of possession.

When it came down to it, the two most vital goals in the game came from route one.
Again if this is the case play lads who play in those positions. It's better having a player who is comfortable in just the default position playing a simpler game rather than a player who is comfortable in neither. James McCarthy did well in the position he always plays in. Seamus Coleman did well enough too in the position he plays in etc. Kevin Doyle was crap as he is not fast and not technically great. he would have given everything up front though and caused the centre backs problems using his determination and power which are his strengths. Whelan was particularly worse than most against Germany as he had never played out wide before and, if acting as a second full back, was not a full back either.

There are not many examples of Trap playing lads out of position and it working. e.g. Andy Keogh away to Italy. A forward who had never really played on the wing before started in Italy. So terrible he was taken off at half-time by a manager who rarely subs before 70/80 minutes. Even at centre-back he would play Kelly every now and then and Kelly would be terrible.

Completely agree it's not that simple but if we don't have many options the best ones have to be picked and play a simpler game. How tactical can you expect an international team to be when you only have them a few days also. Spain and Germany, besides having the players, have their perfect models for both club and country so don't have to worry about that so it's even more imperative that the Irish team selected are as comfortable as possible at the role assigned to them.
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