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Old 25-10-2019, 09:52 AM
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Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom which is why so many countries have anti hatred laws, unlike Ireland. We did have the crazy blasphemy law for a while. Glad to see the back of it.
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:02 AM
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And so it begins!

Here we go!
I'd say they're going to need a referendum if they try to change anything to do with our freedom of expression. Here's what the constitution says:

6 1° the state guarantees liberty for the exercise of
the following rights
, subject to public order and
morality: –
i the right of the citizens to express freely
their convictions and opinions.

the education of public opinion being,
however, a matter of such grave import to
the common good, the state shall
endeavour to ensure that organs of public
opinion, such as the radio, the press, the
cinema, while preserving their rightful
liberty of expression, including criticism
of Government policy, shall not be used
to undermine public order or morality or
the authority of the state.
the publication or utterance of seditious
or indecent matter is an offence which
shall be punishable in accordance with
law.


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Old 25-10-2019, 10:03 AM
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Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom which is why so many countries have anti hatred laws, unlike Ireland. We did have the crazy blasphemy law for a while. Glad to see the back of it.
Wut?
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:06 AM
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Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom which is why so many countries have anti hatred laws, unlike Ireland. We did have the crazy blasphemy law for a while. Glad to see the back of it.
Go read the constitution m8
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:07 AM
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when they say radio does this include all of the pro terrorism music that we all grew up with?
Are they going to ban music?
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:07 AM
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I'd say they're going to need a referendum if they try to change anything to do with our freedom of expression. Here's what the constitution says:

6 1° the state guarantees liberty for the exercise of
the following rights
, subject to public order and
morality: –
i the right of the citizens to express freely
their convictions and opinions.

the education of public opinion being,
however, a matter of such grave import to
the common good, the state shall
endeavour to ensure that organs of public
opinion, such as the radio, the press, the
cinema, while preserving their rightful
liberty of expression, including criticism
of Government policy, shall not be used
to undermine public order or morality or
the authority of the state.
the publication or utterance of seditious
or indecent matter is an offence which
shall be punishable in accordance with
law.


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They're trying to push it through by the back door.
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:13 AM
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They're trying to push it through by the back door.

Is this "consultation process," itself a breach of the states constitutional obligation to guarantee our liberty to freely express our opinions?



Should an injunction be taken out?

Should a real lawyer who knows what he or she is talking about give his or her opinion?

Should I stop asking ridiculously stupid questions?

Does anyone give a shit?

Should I just save it for the cops, and dry my eyes?
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:17 AM
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Is this "consultation process," itself a breach of the states constitutional obligation to guarantee our liberty to freely express our opinions?



Should an injunction be taken out?

Should a real lawyer who knows what he or she is talking about give his or her opinion?

Should I stop asking ridiculously stupid questions?

Does anyone give a shit?

Should I just save it for the cops, and dry my eyes?
No.


Perhaps.

No.

Yes.


Definitely, m8.
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:18 AM
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I'd say they're going to need a referendum if they try to change anything to do with our freedom of expression. Here's what the constitution says:

6 1° the state guarantees liberty for the exercise of
the following rights
, subject to public order and
morality: –
i the right of the citizens to express freely
their convictions and opinions.

the education of public opinion being,
however, a matter of such grave import to
the common good, the state shall
endeavour to ensure that organs of public
opinion, such as the radio, the press, the
cinema, while preserving their rightful
liberty of expression, including criticism
of Government policy, shall not be used
to undermine public order or morality or
the authority of the state.
the publication or utterance of seditious
or indecent matter is an offence which
shall be punishable in accordance with
law.


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Will this work for non-minorities too?

We've all witnessed a certain minority in Ireland in action.

Imagine weaponising that crew?


Only recently I was in a shopping center and saw a well known member of that community verbally abuse, spit at and grab the cashier from behind the counter. She was claiming she had been short changed but all she had spent was about 5 euro on white lemonade for her vodka.

She spoke wonderfully:

"I'll gut ya ya hoor"
"I'll keep the fanny off yya"
etc etc

Then two women who were standing in the queue with young kids pulled her and told her not to be so disrespectful around their kids.

She starts screaming at them calling them whores and trollops, spitting and being mental

She left and I saw her screaming out on the road. The same woman has done time for violent crimes, in fact the whole family has.



So, could those ladies do her for hate speech too?
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:19 AM
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No.


Perhaps.

No.

Yes.


Definitely, m8.

Thanks.

Now, I posed six questions, you answered five.

Or to put it another way:


Gwonyalanger.



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