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Old 15-09-2019, 09:27 AM
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However, Monaghan took Kerry to a replay in 1985 afaicr. They were a decent side from 84-87.
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Old 15-09-2019, 09:34 AM
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Old 15-09-2019, 10:30 AM
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Old 15-09-2019, 10:39 AM
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Very hard to compare teams from different eras. Still maintain Tyrone and Kerry of noughties would more then match this Dublin team and Dublin would certainly not have won 5 in a row if those 2 teams were their main opponents.
Dublin however have a serious panel of players. Biggest and Best squad ever. The team from 15 has changed a lot from yesterday's starting side.

Cork have the same no of All Irelands as Kerry this decade, who would have thought that would be the case walking down Jones Road at 5pm after the 09 final. And Donegal could easily have won in 14.
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Old 15-09-2019, 11:44 AM
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Very hard to compare teams from different eras. Still maintain Tyrone and Kerry of noughties would more then match this Dublin team and Dublin would certainly not have won 5 in a row if those 2 teams were their main opponents.
That is my impression as well. The standard of opposition has to come into play in any GOAT discussion. Otherwise we could just all leave it to Wikipedia and see who won the most.

Tyrone in the noughties were a strange team to analyse. They were either brilliant and won All Irelands, or lost to teams they had no business losing to. Consistency was never their strong suit but at their best, they were superb. And it wasn't just Kerry they had to overcome. They were making history in a county that had never won anything before, which is incredibly difficult in a sport where tradition is more important than most.

Kerry were the more consistent team of the two, and for a side that won so much, they deserve to be mentioned more in any greatest ever debate. Kerry have a fine team now, but realistically only 2 or 3 of yesterday's team would make their 2006 starting fifteen. That is the difference between Kerry now and back then, which again highlights the difference in standards.

The caveat in all this is Dublin are not done yet. If anything they are winning All Irelands a little easier now than they were previously. If they go on and win six or seven in a row, then it shifts the debate firmly in their favour.
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Old 15-09-2019, 01:55 PM
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Agree with points made. Dublin have prospered in a time when in reality only a Mayo team with an average forward line caused them difficulty. Apart from this year and last the Dubs haven’t performed too well in finals.

I think Tyrone 05 with a forward line of Canavan, Dooher, O’Neill, McGuigan, Mulligan would have enough to take them.

Kerry probably had their best age profile in 09 apart from at midfield. Forwards like Gooch, Donaghy, Galvin, Declan O’Sullivan, Kennelly, Tommy Walsh would do likewise.

Yesterday’s Kerry team and Tyrone lack that type of talent. This current Kerry team are coming but they need a year or two yet. James ODonoghue is finished and Geaney hasn’t long left. David Moran finished in a year or two. I don’t think Tyrone will prosper with Harte in charge.

I do think the GAA needs to level up where the finances go. This 5 in a row will continue to fuel dublin football finances. The Kerry team of 70’s raise huge money from fundraising dinners.
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Old 15-09-2019, 03:08 PM
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Agree with points made. Dublin have prospered in a time when in reality only a Mayo team with an average forward line caused them difficulty. Apart from this year and last the Dubs haven’t performed too well in finals.

I think Tyrone 05 with a forward line of Canavan, Dooher, O’Neill, McGuigan, Mulligan would have enough to take them.

Kerry probably had their best age profile in 09 apart from at midfield. Forwards like Gooch, Donaghy, Galvin, Declan O’Sullivan, Kennelly, Tommy Walsh would do likewise.

Yesterday’s Kerry team and Tyrone lack that type of talent. This current Kerry team are coming but they need a year or two yet. James ODonoghue is finished and Geaney hasn’t long left. David Moran finished in a year or two. I don’t think Tyrone will prosper with Harte in charge.

I do think the GAA needs to level up where the finances go. This 5 in a row will continue to fuel dublin football finances. The Kerry team of 70’s raise huge money from fundraising dinners.
It's more than finances that Dublin have going for them - though as a matter of principle every senior intercounty side should be working off the same financial footing, and it should come from championship revenues.

The primary advantage Dublin have is that everyone is living and working in one area. That allows them prepare to as close a professional standard as is possible, and more so than any other of their main challengers.

The Croke Park advantage also needs serious discussion. It's been turned into a home ground, and nobody can deny the evidence home advantage provides in all sports. The fact they now pull such paltry crowds for most games should make it easier to force the Leinster semi, and without doubt the "neutral" super 8 match out of Croke Park. Playing every league match there also surley needs rolling back. League kick off, and another headliner, and it should be as a double with another east coast county.

There's a lot to look at in how our competitions, fixtures and so on are set up so you'd hope these advantages get reined in a bit as part of that.

Saying that, while they have advantages they've done everything in their power to take advantage of them. Cork is the only County with many of the same benefits and we've made a shit show of it by comparison, as have Galway to a lesser extent.
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Old 15-09-2019, 03:26 PM
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Agree with points made. Dublin have prospered in a time when in reality only a Mayo team with an average forward line caused them difficulty. Apart from this year and last the Dubs haven’t performed too well in finals.

I think Tyrone 05 with a forward line of Canavan, Dooher, O’Neill, McGuigan, Mulligan would have enough to take them.

Kerry probably had their best age profile in 09 apart from at midfield. Forwards like Gooch, Donaghy, Galvin, Declan O’Sullivan, Kennelly, Tommy Walsh would do likewise.

Yesterday’s Kerry team and Tyrone lack that type of talent. This current Kerry team are coming but they need a year or two yet. James ODonoghue is finished and Geaney hasn’t long left. David Moran finished in a year or two. I don’t think Tyrone will prosper with Harte in charge.

I do think the GAA needs to level up where the finances go. This 5 in a row will continue to fuel dublin football finances. The Kerry team of 70’s raise huge money from fundraising dinners.
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Old 15-09-2019, 04:29 PM
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I think finance is their biggest advantage but in fairness they don’t squander it. More Iike a well managed corporate structure. The ability to do early morning sessions is huge as well but at least the GAA can influence the finance and lessen the home advantage by making them play elsewhere. They can’t really do much about other advantages.
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Old 15-09-2019, 04:49 PM
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Will they make it 6, 7, 8 in a row?

Wouldn't bet against them, don't think this run is over.
There'll be a raft of retirements and Kerry are clearly coming. They might get 6 in a row or 6 out of 7 but that's the end of the dominance.

Some of the greatest players ever played with that side but Christ it's hard to like the likes of Cluxton & Jim Gavin. Joyless cunts
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