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Old 13-09-2019, 09:26 AM
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when you say "she" who you talking about?
helen
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Old 13-09-2019, 09:41 AM
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That's not the answer and it's not going to be a deterrent.
Ok champ, what is the answer?
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Old 13-09-2019, 11:00 AM
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Ok champ, what is the answer?
The reason it isn't the answer (in case you are interested) is that it is unconstitutional to deny someone legal representation, which if you bar them from legal aid is what you do.

It would also be ripe for exploitation by the guards. Once they know someone has been convicted three times then you can pin any crime you like on them and intimidate them into a plea.

I think that defendants should be required to make a contribution towards legal aid though (like people do for civil legal aid). €10 a week from their dole or whatever. I don't think it should be free.

To be honest, once people get to the stage that this couple seem to be at (with the caveats of innocent until proven guilty and all that) there is a limited amount that can be done. We need massive investment in young people in deprived areas imo, in education, in diversion programes, in drug workers, in community policing.

Secondly, sentences need to be longer. I don't agree with three strikes per se, but I would be happy to see someone be given a chance with probation etc on a first offence, after that though they need to know that the sentence they will get will be significant.
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Old 13-09-2019, 12:15 PM
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The reason it isn't the answer (in case you are interested) is that it is unconstitutional to deny someone legal representation, which if you bar them from legal aid is what you do.

It would also be ripe for exploitation by the guards. Once they know someone has been convicted three times then you can pin any crime you like on them and intimidate them into a plea.

I think that defendants should be required to make a contribution towards legal aid though (like people do for civil legal aid). €10 a week from their dole or whatever. I don't think it should be free.

To be honest, once people get to the stage that this couple seem to be at (with the caveats of innocent until proven guilty and all that) there is a limited amount that can be done. We need massive investment in young people in deprived areas imo, in education, in diversion programes, in drug workers, in community policing.

Secondly, sentences need to be longer. I don't agree with three strikes per se, but I would be happy to see someone be given a chance with probation etc on a first offence, after that though they need to know that the sentence they will get will be significant.
Who ends up paying for this massive investment?
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Old 13-09-2019, 12:53 PM
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The reason it isn't the answer (in case you are interested) is that it is unconstitutional to deny someone legal representation, which if you bar them from legal aid is what you do.

It would also be ripe for exploitation by the guards. Once they know someone has been convicted three times then you can pin any crime you like on them and intimidate them into a plea.

I think that defendants should be required to make a contribution towards legal aid though (like people do for civil legal aid). €10 a week from their dole or whatever. I don't think it should be free.

To be honest, once people get to the stage that this couple seem to be at (with the caveats of innocent until proven guilty and all that) there is a limited amount that can be done. We need massive investment in young people in deprived areas imo, in education, in diversion programes, in drug workers, in community policing.

Secondly, sentences need to be longer. I don't agree with three strikes per se, but I would be happy to see someone be given a chance with probation etc on a first offence, after that though they need to know that the sentence they will get will be significant.
In deprived areas there are plenty of things to do, various sporting clubs etc,
Its a lazy excuse to say these places have no hope, In many cases the apple doesnt fall far from the tree, i know a prison officer who says he has had three generations of the same family above in cork prison,
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Old 13-09-2019, 12:55 PM
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Helen looks familiar....

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Old 13-09-2019, 01:03 PM
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Helen looks familiar....

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Old 13-09-2019, 01:04 PM
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Dont tell me you have been there,
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Old 13-09-2019, 02:24 PM
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I'm disturbed by this thread.
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Old 13-09-2019, 02:46 PM
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I'm disturbed by this thread.
Have a look through facebook 😳

Shit like:

‘Some off ye r all judgin dem but rem deer’s a god in heaven who sent down here his only sun and said let he who is with no sin stop throwin stones like yer very fast to be judgin wanna watch yer own green house with stones like”

Fucking crazy people in this city.
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