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Old 02-05-2010, 09:35 PM
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Default Quickly explain dithering & it's purpose, if you would!

Reading an article there & their(typical computer music mags) insight often confuses me. First is was saying for mastering you should bounce a two track of your work for mastering purposes?????(why not just do it on the master)
Anyway, they were saying something like mastered tracks should be dithered to 16bit for CDs.....would 24 bit not work aswell???
And then there's different dithering options like Pow-r(or something)1,2,3 etc. one being dithering and the other two noise shaping...how are you meant to know which one to use, if you have to???? This is stuff I would never take into account making a tune, so whats the story?
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:11 AM
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Im no help to you.
Would have thought the higher bitrate resolution at recording stage could enable cleaner mastering (better view of digital compression etc) and more reliable cross-format publishing (analogue formats get more-analogue-like original, and CD wav etc are cut of a better quality "master").
Just guesswork on my part. You need the more informed lads for this one sorry.
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Old 04-05-2010, 12:41 PM
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This cannot be adequately explained in a forum post. It needs diagrams, and a few hours of discussion. Get John Watkinson's book "Basic Digital Audio" best reference in existence for this kind of info. De t'Inerwebs is full of shite.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:03 PM
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Must look at this futher at some stage! Cheers.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:05 PM
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Read into it a little today. NOTHING like what I wrote above. Wikipedia gives a little insight into how wrong I was!
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:50 PM
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Reading an article there & their(typical computer music mags) insight often confuses me. First is was saying for mastering you should bounce a two track of your work for mastering purposes?????(why not just do it on the master)
Anyway, they were saying something like mastered tracks should be dithered to 16bit for CDs.....would 24 bit not work aswell???
And then there's different dithering options like Pow-r(or something)1,2,3 etc. one being dithering and the other two noise shaping...how are you meant to know which one to use, if you have to???? This is stuff I would never take into account making a tune, so whats the story?
Cd's are 16bit, 44.1 kHz.. In order to "fit" 24 bit track to a cd, ya need to cut 8 bit off it! simple.. Dithering just adds noise to the track...

As for which dithering option to use, just use the best one! ie: the one that makes your track sound less distorted!!

Bouncing 2 tracks for mastering is very common, its like mixing.. I'd imagine alot of people master each channel before mixing down anyways.. It sounds better too..
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:56 PM
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24-bit might work if you burn an SACD,
but I wouldnt bother!
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:58 PM
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Actually its impossible to burn one currently, so i wouldnt bother fullstop.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:32 PM
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Cd's are 16bit, 44.1 kHz.. In order to "fit" 24 bit track to a cd, ya need to cut 8 bit off it! simple.. Dithering just adds noise to the track...

As for which dithering option to use, just use the best one! ie: the one that makes your track sound less distorted!!

Bouncing 2 tracks for mastering is very common, its like mixing.. I'd imagine alot of people master each channel before mixing down anyways.. It sounds better too..
Interesting reply there Slick Fingers....It's going to be another pain bouncing multiple times(with the dithering options) to see which ones best. Its hard enough to be avoiding distortion as it is, for me!
What do you mean by"I'd imagine alot of people master each channel before mixing down anyways.." .....in my projects, as far as I can see you can just throw whatever into the insert slots, which then processes both channels...what am I missing? Thanks for the reply....
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Interesting reply there Slick Fingers....It's going to be another pain bouncing multiple times(with the dithering options) to see which ones best. Its hard enough to be avoiding distortion as it is, for me!
What do you mean by"I'd imagine alot of people master each channel before mixing down anyways.." .....in my projects, as far as I can see you can just throw whatever into the insert slots, which then processes both channels...what am I missing? Thanks for the reply....
I just think its easier to master or enhance each part of the mixdown rather than equalizing and compressing the final waveform! Its like ya seperate the track into drums, vocals, other instruments etc..

Its been awhile since I've done anything tbh, only dusted off my studio monitors today after 18 months!! I'm sure theres a few experts on seperation mastering here..
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