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Old 02-06-2020, 08:06 AM
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No, it won't.
Financial Times.

My favourite story of Brussels barminess is the one about the noisy lawnmower. During the 1980s, the EU took it upon itself to impose a decibel limit on motorised grass-cutters. What better proof for suspicious Brits of European megalomania than this intrusion into the very garden sheds of our green and pleasant land? Never mind. Britain, we are told, is taking back control. After decades as a rule-taker, it will rise again as a rulemaker. Such are the delusions of Brexiters.

Through a British lens, things European are rarely as they first appear. Taunted by what was then a small band of Tory Eurosceptics, the foreign secretary Douglas Hurd ordered an investigation into the origins of the directive. The news was not good. The episode was not after all a Brussels power grab. Ministers had backed the European Commission’s initiative. Worse, they had proposed it. They had then expended considerable political capital to force the measure through against German opposition. We are talking, by the way, about Margaret Thatcher’s government.

The rationale, it turned out, was hard-headed self-interest. Germany, a nation renowned for its tidiness and thus a lucrative market for lawnmowers, had blocked imports. German machines were quieter than most, so the Bonn government had set a national noise restriction to lock out the competition. Only an EU directive (permitting a higher decibel level) would allow British companies a foothold in the market. Thatcher’s government had deployed the same strategy to open up EU markets to the roar of British motorcycles.

Free-enterprise Brexiters railing against supposedly excessive EU red tape have never understood the relationship between common rules and open markets. Liberalising trade across national frontiers requires shared standards to ensure a level playing field. The single market has had great success in promoting trade because the EU has been able to harmonise the rules.

Once a small sect, the Tory party’s English nationalists have now stormed the ramparts of government. These Brexiters are intent on making the same mistake about the rules under which Brexit Britain will trade as they once did about lawnmowers. Rule-taking, they intone, is for sissies. Unshackled from the EU, Britain will create its own standards and norms.

They are wrong. The simple fact is that in today’s global economy, rulemaking is the property of the most powerful players. If you are one of the world’s biggest importers you can insist others meet your standards. Likewise, if you have a serious grip on a particular industry you can set sector-wide norms. The EU, the US, and, to varying degrees, China, Japan and India all fit this bill.

Britain is not big enough. Within the EU it has been at once a rulemaker and a rule-taker. Outside, its only real choice will be between whether it should accept rules from Brussels or elsewhere.

Brexit will make trading with the EU more expensive and troublesome. But the bloc will remain Britain’s most valuable export market. Manufacturers that want to sell their products into the single market — and that means most companies of significant size — will be obliged to continue to abide by Brussels’ rules even as they lose friction-free access. Small companies can do as they please — unless they want to join any supply chains crossing EU borders.

Britain will be able, it is true, to make its lawnmowers even noisier if it so chooses. No one in the union will buy them. The same will apply to products falling within the tens of thousands of regulations covering just about everything from food hygiene, environmental protection and vehicle safety standards to data transfer requirements and consumer protection. Service businesses likewise. Unless they want to give up on the European market, the suited professional classes will be obliged to keep up with EU benchmarks. The only thing that will change is that British ministers will no longer take part in setting them.


The Bank of England seems to think there are one or two areas of financial services where Britain has sufficient clout to be an international rulemaker. Maybe. But financial institutions are already voting with their feet by heading to Dublin, Paris and Frankfurt.

The lesson here is that national sovereignty is illusory when separated from the power to act. This extends beyond trade. Britain can take back control of its borders only with the willing collaboration of the French authorities at Calais. Lawnmowers or chicken, the one certainty is that post-Brexit Britain will play by someone else’s rules.

Wall Street Journal:
No, Brexit Won’t Free the U.K. From EU Regulations
British industries from aerospace to telecommunications still need to follow Brussels’s rules to retain access to vital European markets.


Too easy.
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:53 AM
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I'll stick with the opinion of the mayor of the city of London, the governor of the Bank of England and the leaders of the big financial companies thanks.

Financial services will be fine after a 'no deal' Brexit.
The whole point of the question was to assess whether you could think for yourself and whether you could bring yourself to change your opinion, in the face of evidence. Because only an idiot is unable to change their mind.

Instead, it appears that you've decided to pick this side, and have found people who are on your side in that opinion that you can blindly trust.

Just so you're aware, the Mayor of the City of London isn't Sadiq Kahn, an elected representative, but is a completely ceremonial role selected annually from a set of 25 unelected aldermen.

This is what the Mayor of london looks like:



here you can learn about what the Mayor of London does.

This is what the Lord Mayor of the City of London looks like:




This one hasn't worked in finance since 2006, interesting, that.

Ask yourself, is it in the interest of the Lord Mayor of the City of London to speak out against Brexit?


You're a clown.
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Old 02-06-2020, 10:10 AM
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The whole point of the question was to assess whether you could think for yourself and whether you could bring yourself to change your opinion, in the face of evidence. Because only an idiot is unable to change their mind.

Instead, it appears that you've decided to pick this side, and have found people who are on your side in that opinion that you can blindly trust.

Just so you're aware, the Mayor of the City of London isn't Sadiq Kahn, an elected representative, but is a completely ceremonial role selected annually from a set of 25 unelected aldermen.

This is what the Mayor of london looks like:



here you can learn about what the Mayor of London does.

This is what the Lord Mayor of the City of London looks like:




This one hasn't worked in finance since 2006, interesting, that.

Ask yourself, is it in the interest of the Lord Mayor of the City of London to speak out against Brexit?


You're a clown.
Jaysus, Benny, leave some skin on his face.

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Old 02-06-2020, 02:21 PM
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The whole point of the question was to assess whether you could think for yourself and whether you could bring yourself to change your opinion, in the face of evidence. Because only an idiot is unable to change their mind.

Instead, it appears that you've decided to pick this side, and have found people who are on your side in that opinion that you can blindly trust.

Just so you're aware, the Mayor of the City of London isn't Sadiq Kahn, an elected representative, but is a completely ceremonial role selected annually from a set of 25 unelected aldermen.

This is what the Mayor of london looks like:



here you can learn about what the Mayor of London does.

This is what the Lord Mayor of the City of London looks like:




This one hasn't worked in finance since 2006, interesting, that.

Ask yourself, is it in the interest of the Lord Mayor of the City of London to speak out against Brexit?


You're a clown.
M8, I'd have thought anyone, even you, would know Iyatolla Khan is a remainiac, and would know which I was talking about.
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Old 02-06-2020, 02:39 PM
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M8, I'd have thought anyone, even you, would know Iyatolla Khan is a remainiac, and would know which I was talking about.
That's openly racist, calling someone who was born in Britain Ayatollah because they happen to be of a certain ethnic origin or religious background.

True to form, you're also off by a good bit, Ayatollah is a Shia honour, from Iran, while Sadiq is in the Sunni group, and his Grandparents come from India, not Iran, even then, his parents came from an India under occupation, so he has every right to live in the UK.

Jokes aside, I dunno if that's okay at all.

It's fine when you use Kentonian language and call people bedwetters or spout tory shit, but I'd appreciate it if you could keep the racist undertones out of it.

Unless of course, Brexit is your way of expressing your disdain for people of other races/faith doing better than you in British society?

Because it's hardly a way for you to express your desire for legislative or economic change, especially when you're seemingly unable to form any opinions for yourself.
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Old 02-06-2020, 03:08 PM
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That's openly racist, calling someone who was born in Britain Ayatollah because they happen to be of a certain ethnic origin or religious background.

True to form, you're also off by a good bit, Ayatollah is a Shia honour, from Iran, while Sadiq is in the Sunni group, and his Grandparents come from India, not Iran, even then, his parents came from an India under occupation, so he has every right to live in the UK.

Jokes aside, I dunno if that's okay at all.

It's fine when you use Kentonian language and call people bedwetters or spout tory shit, but I'd appreciate it if you could keep the racist undertones out of it.

Unless of course, Brexit is your way of expressing your disdain for people of other races/faith doing better than you in British society?

Because it's hardly a way for you to express your desire for legislative or economic change, especially when you're seemingly unable to form any opinions for yourself.
Take the stick out of your ass, and go for swim to cool you down.

Sadiq Khan has a long and unbroken career of collaboration and involvement with Islamists, hate preachers, terrorist godfathers, sexists, homophobes and extremists. He speaks at rallies with the black flag of jihad flying and where women are treated as second class citizens.

That's why I call him Ayatollah Khan.

Carry on.

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Old 03-06-2020, 06:25 AM
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The British Parliament voted yesterday to end virtual voting, despite a kilometre long line, it taking over 90 minutes, many of the MPs with underlying health conditions unable to participate and a number of MPs having to undertake 18+hrs treks to get there due to travel restrictions.

The UK will be back in some form of lockdown in the next few months
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Old 03-06-2020, 06:44 AM
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The British Parliament voted yesterday to end virtual voting, despite a kilometre long line, it taking over 90 minutes, many of the MPs with underlying health conditions unable to participate and a number of MPs having to undertake 18+hrs treks to get there due to travel restrictions.

The UK will be back in some form of lockdown in the next few months

Just so Boris doesn't have to face questions alone. If he's in charge god help the poor fucker they're sending to Brussels.
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Old 03-06-2020, 07:13 AM
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Nissan: UK factory still under threat from no-deal Brexit
By Simon Jack
BBC Business editor
8 hours ago

Nissan's Sunderland plant is "unsustainable" without a Brexit trade deal, said Ashwani Gupta.
The UK's largest car manufacturing plant is "unsustainable" if the UK leaves the European Union without a trade deal, owner Nissan says.
The Japanese company's global chief operating head told the BBC people had to understand the EU was the Sunderland factory's biggest customer.
Ashwani Gupta said that Nissan's commitment could not be maintained if there was not tariff-free EU access.
Nissan has invested billions of pounds in the plant, which has 7,000 workers.
His comments come despite the Sunderland site surviving this week's announcement on the Japanese giant's global restructuring programme.
Mr Gupta said: "You know we are the number one carmaker in the UK and we want to continue. We are committed. Having said that, if we are not getting the current tariffs, it's not our intention but the business will not be sustainable. That's what everybody has to understand."
The French government has a 15% stake in Renault.
This is not the first time that Nissan has pleaded with UK and EU negotiators to ensure that the 70% of cars manufactured at Sunderland which are sold in the EU can avoid tariffs of 10% under World Trade Organisation rules - the legal default position if a deal is not struck.

The comments by Nissan may dampen hopes raised just last week when the company said that while it was closing plants in Spain and Indonesia, it remained committed to Sunderland.
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Old 03-06-2020, 07:17 AM
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Conan taking a whooping like he's a black man in America after being placed in handcuffs.
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