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Old 14-07-2018, 01:33 PM
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Sit back and enjoy it Bellsy


If that nutcase is posting on your thread you know you have the 'wum' up in a heap and foaming...

He can't help himself
Eh I'm not sure if you noticed Choonflake but bellsy's opening post was quite critical of your master Trump. Surely you are not going to stand for those outrageous comments that portray him in a bad light?


I don't blame you for not noticing though, what with you being unable to read properly and bellsy changing his mind about whether he likes Donald or not probably over fifty times by this stage.
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Old 14-07-2018, 01:38 PM
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Eh I'm not sure if you noticed Choonflake but bellsy's opening post was quite critical of your master Trump. Surely you are not going to stand for those outrageous comments that portray him in a bad light?


I don't blame you for not noticing though, what with you being unable to read properly and bellsy changing his mind about whether he likes Donald or not probably over fifty times by this stage.
Lucky layeth the smacketh down.
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Old 14-07-2018, 02:30 PM
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Lucky layeth the smacketh down.
So this is what it's all come to.

Triggs misquoting The Rock.
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Old 14-07-2018, 08:32 PM
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Donald Trump is not a Politician, he is a business man and a successful one who has been bankrupt several times.
He has been a TV personality with his own business show, in which he became familiar to the American people, with his catch phrase, 'you're fired'
HE entered the US Presidential election nominally as a Republican and cut a swathe thru; his opponents in the Primaries, by his direct populist style.
No one expected him to defeat the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton for the POTUS.
His victory was in essence ,like Brexit , A big FU to the Establishment.
People had become aware there interests no longer were represented by their elected politicians. These populist votes have been repeated in Italy ,Germany and Spain. In essence there is an awakening in the Western world of a before somnolent population.
Donald Trump is the Great Disruptor. His election has created consternation among the elites of the world, who were siphoning off the wealth of nations surreptiously via trade agreements, immigration policy and globalism etc.
He has exposed the dirty heart of the US System ,with malfeasance at the institutions of the FBI.CIA and the Justice Dept.
In Europe he has exposed NATO as a troughers racket, whose expenditure of taxpayers money to fight an invisible enemy is no longer pertinent.
NATO has spent Euro 1.2 billion building a HQ in Brussels for 4000 employees, who have no real purpose.
He exposed Angela Merkels hypocrisy by reminding her that Germany is sending billions of Euro to Russia for gas supply, while pretending that Russia is the enemy.
He reminded her that the US is the one that picks up the Military Bill to protect Europe from this fake enemy..
The Donald has had no lessons in Diplomacy and is direct to the heart of an issue, which is very unusual for a Statesman.
Long may the Donald confuse his enemies.
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Old 14-07-2018, 10:59 PM
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In a parody of a press conference in NATO, he said Crimea annexation happened on Obama's watch and if he had been President he wouldn't have allowed it to happen.

The Crimeans are 96 % ethnic Russians.
They did not wish to be Governed by an illegal,racist Nazi dominated Govt from Kiev ,which was installed by a coup instigated and supported by NATO.

After the destruction of Yugoslavia by Nato. Kosova declared Independence without a referendum, but by a Parliamentary majority. This was illegal. The Serbian population was disenfranchised and driven out of the area. NATO are quiet on this issue.
https://www.rt.com/news/425321-ukrai...cation-nazism/
Sure because the area was ethnically cleansed by Stalin



Stalin issued GKO Order No. 5859ss, which envisaged the resettlement of the Crimean Tatars.[32] The deportation lasted only three days,[33] 18–20 May 1944, during which NKVD agents went house to house collecting Crimean Tatars at gunpoint and forcing them to enter sealed-off[34] cattle trains that would transfer them almost 3,200 kilometres (2,000 mi)[35] to remote locations in the Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic. The Tatars were allowed to carry up to 500 kg of their property per family.[36] By 8:00 on the first day, the NKVD had already loaded 90,000 Crimean Tatars distributed in 25 trains.[37] The next day, a further 136,412 persons were boarded onto railroad cars.[37] The only ones who could avoid this fate were Crimean Tatar women who were married to men of other non-punished ethnic groups.[38] They traveled in overcrowded wagons for several weeks and were plagued by a lack of food and water.[39] It is estimated that at least 228,392 people were deported from Crimea, of which at least 191,044 were Crimean Tatars[40] in 47,000 families.[41] Since 7,889 people perished in the long transit in sealed-off railcars, the NKVD registered 183,155 Crimean Tatars who arrived at their destinations in Central Asia.[42] The majority of the deportees were rounded up from the Crimean countryside. Only 18,983 of the exiles were from Crimean cities.[43]

On 4 July 1944, the NKVD officially informed Stalin that the resettlement was complete.[44] However, not long after that report, the NKVD found out that one of its units forgot to deport people from the Arabat Spit. Instead of preparing an additional transfer in trains, the NKVD boarded hundreds of Crimean Tatars onto an old boat, took it to the middle of the Azov Sea, and sank the ship, on 20 July. Those who did not drown were finished off by machine-guns.[38]



Officially, Crimean Tatar were eliminated from Crimea. The deportation encompassed every person of Crimean Tatar descent, including children, women, and the elderly, and even those who had been members of the Communist Party or the Red Army. In March 1949, a total of 8,995 former soldiers of the Red Army of Crimean Tatar descent were registered in special settlements. Among these veterans, there were 534 officers, 1,392 sergeants, and 7,079 soldiers. There were also 742 members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and 1,225 members of Komsomol.[45] According to one Russian witness of the deportation, some men were still fighting at the Eastern front, but the deportation awaited them at the end of the war.[46] This was especially humiliating for war heroes; Ilyas Ablayev, for instance, fought on various fronts in the war and served in the Red Army until May 1947, only to then live in exile in the region of Tashkent.[47]

During this mass eviction, the Soviet authorities confiscated around 80,000 houses, 500,000 cattle, 360,000 acres of land, and 40,000 tons of agricultural provisions.[48] In addition, all Crimean Tatars were fired from the Red Army. Besides 191,000 deported Tatars, the Soviet authorities also evicted 9,620 Armenians, 12,420 Bulgarians, and 15,040 Greeks from the peninsula. All were collectively branded as traitors and became second class citizens for decades in the USSR.[48] Among the deported, there were also 283 persons of other ethnicities: Italians, Romanians, Karaims, Kurds, Czechs, Hungarians, and Croats.[49] During 1947 and 1948, a further 2,012 veteran returnees were deported from Crimea by the local MVD.[10]

In total, 151,136 Crimean Tatars were deported to the Uzbek SSR; 8,597 to the Mari Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic; and 4,286 to the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic; and the remaining 29,846 were sent to various remote regions of the Russian SFSR.[50] When the Crimean Tatars arrived at their destination in the Uzbek SSR, they were met with hostility by Uzbek locals who threw stones at them, even their children, because they heard that the Crimean Tatars were "traitors" and "fascist collaborators."[51] The Uzbeks objected to becoming the "dumping ground for treasonous nations." In the coming years, several assaults against the Crimean Tatars population were registered, some of which were fatal.[51]


Lavrentiy Beria, the chief of the Soviet NKVD
The mass Crimean deportations were organized by Lavrentiy Beria, the chief of the Soviet secret police, the NKVD, and his subordinates Bogdan Kobulov, Ivan Serov, B. P. Obruchnikov, M.G. Svinelupov, and A. N. Apolonov. The field operations were conducted by G. P. Dobrynin, the deputy Head of the Gulag system; G. A. Bezhanov, the Colonel of State Security; I. I. Piiashev, Major General; S. A. Klepov, Commissar of State Security; I. S. Sheredega, Lt. General; B. I. Tekayev, Lt. Colonel of State Security; and two local leaders, P. M. Fokin, head of the Crimea NKGB, and V. T. Sergjenko, Lt. General.[10] In order to execute this deportation, the NKVD secured 5,000 armed agents and the NKGB allocated a further 20,000 armed men, together with a few thousand regular soldiers.[32] Two of Stalin's directives from May 1944 reveal that every aspect of the Soviet government, from financing to transit, was involved in executing the operation.[10]

On 14 July 1944 the GKO authorized the immigration of 51,000 people, mostly Russians, to 17,000 empty collective farms on Crimea. On 30 June 1945, the Crimean ASSR was abolished.[32]

Soviet propaganda sought to hide the population transfer by claiming that the Crimean Tatars had "voluntarily resettle[d] to Central Asia".[52] In essence, though, according to historian Paul Robert Magocsi, Crimea was "ethnically cleansed."[39] After this act, the term "Crimean Tatar" was banished from the Russian-Soviet lexicon, and all Tatar toponyms (names of towns, villages, and mountains) in Crimea were changed to Russian names on all maps. Muslim graveyards and religious objects in Crimea were demolished or converted into secular places.[39] During Stalin's rule, nobody was allowed to mention that this ethnicity even existed in the USSR. This went so far that many individuals were even forbidden to declare themselves as Crimean Tatars during the Soviet censuses of 1959, 1970, and 1979. They could only declare themselves as Tatars. This ban was lifed during the Soviet census of 1989.[53]
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Old 14-07-2018, 11:50 PM
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thanks for the past history of the Communist Soviet Union, little balls, but we have moved on .We are now dealing with Russia, a democratic capitalist State since 1990.
The main leaders of the Soviet Union, Stalin and Beria were Georgian, Kruschev was Ukrainian, and the Bolshevik party was predominantly Jewish.

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Old 15-07-2018, 02:14 PM
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thanks for the past history of the Communist Soviet Union, little balls, but we have moved on .We are now dealing with Russia, a democratic capitalist State since 1990.
The main leaders of the Soviet Union, Stalin and Beria were Georgian, Kruschev was Ukrainian, and the Bolshevik party was predominantly Jewish.
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