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Old 17-03-2009, 01:41 PM
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Old 17-03-2009, 01:42 PM
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thanks pointy.

t'would only have been accidental if i broke in.

do you think we could update the cuddle thread with a real life one?
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Old 17-03-2009, 02:08 PM
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yeah...i'd say there are no sex attacks or drugs in our prisons.
Didn't say there wasn't.

Drugs whilst available are not as easy to get hold of or as rampant as the media make out. Sex attacks are very rare especially in British or Irish prisons.

edit - except when this happens of course

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0317/limerick.html
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Old 18-03-2009, 01:22 AM
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Em - it didn't happen at night time - it happened in the late afternoon.

You must be talknig about a different case, I was referring to Tony Martin who shot Fred Barras. That happened at night time.

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Evidence? You have nothing to support that and the fact of him being 'OF a different ethnicity' does not support it either [nor does the fact that he had a previous criminal record- it may 'Indicate' intention but it does not support it].
Barras' accomplice Brendan Fearon admitted that they had targetted him and they were there to burgle his house. He was convicted for this and spent 18 months in jail for it.

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He could well have been a scrap dealer, quite a few in the Traveler community are and even so he had criminal convictions he didn't deserve to be murdered. [I'll ignore the inane 'K******' comments by other posters]
He could have been but he wasn't and I'll say it again, I never said he deserved to be murdered but him being a thieving scumbag who was trying to rob an old man was a factor in him getting shot so the jury should hear about that.

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Ok fair enough the farmer had been targeted before and being on his own probably was frightened to some degree.

Terrified? Maybe and as such maybe justified in firing the first shot. This had the required effect in getting the person to leave as fast as was possible.

Now here is where it goes opposite to what he is indicating - that 'He was Terrified'.

A 'Terrified' person would not calmly reload there weapon as they follow the person they are 'Terrified' off to shoot that fleeing person again in the back. Those are not the actions of a 'Terrified' person, those are the actions of a person out for revenge and nothing more.

What has happened in this case is that emotions have been allowed to cloud the facts and also incensed by media hype.

Don't get me wrong - I am not sticking up for yer man who was shot. he new the odds of what he chose to be and what could happen but what I am sticking up for is Justice, Law and Order. Emotionally? I probably would take a very different opinion but looking at it from a 'Non- Emotional' point of view and the facts that were given then it points to only one conjecture in law.

He had the right to the first shot when he shot the man by the back door. this can/could be seen as defense even without a challenge of any kind. But it was his actions there after - following the person while reloading and shooting the man again when he had already left the property.

That is murder plain and simple. It is murder because he has now transgressed the line from defense to intending harm with as much force as possible. Anger? Most likely on behalf of the farmer [ and rightly so given what he had been put through] but it still comes down to the simple fact - that what he did, his actions 'After the First Shot' constitute a charge of murder as the Law stands.

Irrespective if 'Emotionally' I'd agree with what the farmer did. From what I saw of him in interviews he certainly didn't come across as someone easily 'Terrified' though.

I've never been in a situation where people have repeatedly broken into my house so I can't say what I would do if I was. However, I do believe I would be terrifed as well as sick of it so I'd do what I could to prevent it happening again. Maybe that's what he was thinking, maybe not.
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Old 18-03-2009, 08:30 AM
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Didn't say there wasn't.

Drugs whilst available are not as easy to get hold of or as rampant as the media make out. Sex attacks are very rare especially in British or Irish prisons.

edit - except when this happens of course

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0317/limerick.html
Don't be silly smeggle, drugs are easier to get in prison than they are on the outside.
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Old 18-03-2009, 08:35 AM
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Don't be silly smeggle, drugs are easier to get in prison than they are on the outside.
Why do you waste your time with these limp-wristed, pinkos Prof... You've more patience than Job... Maybe he had mental toughness too...
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Old 18-03-2009, 08:53 AM
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Why do you waste your time with these limp-wristed, pinkos Prof... You've more patience than Job... Maybe he had mental toughness too...
You have to have patience with those that have read the odd sociolgy text book, MENTAL TOUGHNESS is a prerequesite in order to guide the granola crunching, lactose intolerant, manbag wearing Dr. Philites into the REAL WORLD.
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Old 18-03-2009, 09:03 AM
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You have to have patience with those that have read the odd sociolgy text book, MENTAL TOUGHNESS is a prerequesite in order to guide the granola crunching, lactose intolerant, manbag wearing Dr. Philites into the REAL WORLD.
But if mental toughness isn't on the school curriculum the lives of these poor people are going to be blighted.
You can't expect the parents to do it - not when there's re-runs of Murder She Wrote on daytime television.
No sorry Prof - somebody has to take the blame for society's problems and not the people themselves.
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Old 18-03-2009, 09:08 AM
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jesus.... i'd love some granola now.
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Old 18-03-2009, 09:41 AM
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just had some porridge there... it was pretty rank. i think the milk they've got in the office here comes from rats' udders. got rid of the rank taste with a danone blackberry 'shape' yogurt.
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