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Old 05-11-2013, 10:23 AM
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His recent exposure of covering up for his convicted paoedphile brother has him finished off anyway.

Only a deluded simpleton would believe that Gerry Adams was not a member the I.R.A.
This is as obvious as the nose on his face, it is also obvious why he cannot just lay all bare

He is an important link in the peace process no matter how you look at it or what your beliefs are, same as the likes of David Ervine was, and these guys come with serious baggage.. why is it some sort of expose to 'prove' this?

He was undoubtedly the Commanding Officer and ordered hits etc., this is also the reason he was able to bring the IRA to the table though.. so it goes without saying that he did not spend his life making daisy chains outside Stormont


This is not to say that those burial sites should not be identified and let the families have their dead returned
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:13 AM
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This is as obvious as the nose on his face, it is also obvious why he cannot just lay all bare

He is an important link in the peace process no matter how you look at it or what your beliefs are, same as the likes of David Ervine was, and these guys come with serious baggage.. why is it some sort of expose to 'prove' this?

He was undoubtedly the Commanding Officer and ordered hits etc., this is also the reason he was able to bring the IRA to the table though.. so it goes without saying that he did not spend his life making daisy chains outside Stormont


This is not to say that those burial sites should not be identified and let the families have their dead returned
He lacks credibility and it is a stick for opponents to frequently beat him with.

He was/is only important because he was an IRA commander with the ability to turn on or off political violence to suit his agenda.

Why talk to him otherwise ?

He was also caught lying frequently recently in his brothers child abuse trial and if any other party leader had the kind of skeletons that he has in his closet they would simply not be party leaders or hold public office.

Mortin McGuinness admitted membership
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:29 AM
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He lacks credibility and it is a stick for opponents to frequently beat him with.

He was/is only important because he was an IRA commander with the ability to turn on or off political violence to suit his agenda.

Why talk to him otherwise ?

He was also caught lying frequently recently in his brothers child abuse trial and if any other party leader had the kind of skeletons that he has in his closet they would simply not be party leaders or hold public office.

Mortin McGuinness admitted membership
But the point is that no other leader has his past, but no other leader can control the IRA as he has.. you cannot have one without the other

His proposed policies would fill you with fear and luckily they dont get to implement any of them at this point. I wouldnt want him near any decision making that would effect the fiscal policies of the country, but that does not negate what he has provided

He has brought Sinn Fein to a certain point, and in my opinion Doherty is the one to bring them on their next journey if they have any sense, Adams will step aside soon enough
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Old 05-11-2013, 12:24 PM
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But the point is that no other leader has his past, but no other leader can control the IRA as he has.. you cannot have one without the other

His proposed policies would fill you with fear and luckily they dont get to implement any of them at this point. I wouldnt want him near any decision making that would effect the fiscal policies of the country, but that does not negate what he has provided

He has brought Sinn Fein to a certain point, and in my opinion Doherty is the one to bring them on their next journey if they have any sense, Adams will step aside soon enough
Which makes a mockery of his denials of ever being a member.

He has a position of power because of his ability to control political violence.

Other than that he should have removed himself from politics years ago.

Once there is no crisis in the North and the people have accepted the GFA and the status quo he does not really have a role.

Even Pierce Doherty knows that Sinn Fein economics policy has been failed Socialist nonsense and has toned down his rants of late.
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Old 05-11-2013, 12:44 PM
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Which makes a mockery of his denials of ever being a member.

He has a position of power because of his ability to control political violence.

Other than that he should have removed himself from politics years ago.

Once there is no crisis in the North and the people have accepted the GFA and the status quo he does not really have a role.

Even Pierce Doherty knows that Sinn Fein economics policy has been failed Socialist nonsense and has toned down his rants of late.
I guess Sinn Fein see him as having a role though, he did lead them to where they are?

I dont know.. I dont vote SF but I am also not anti everything they do/are just because they are SF which I think a lot of people are

Doherty is clearly their strongest candidate by a country mile.. although the likes of O Snodaigh and his ilk make that a straight forward issue. Mary Lou needs to be kept in the background as a strategist IMO if they want wider appeal because she is a whiny, irritating wan.
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Old 05-11-2013, 01:32 PM
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I guess Sinn Fein see him as having a role though, he did lead them to where they are?

I dont know.. I dont vote SF but I am also not anti everything they do/are just because they are SF which I think a lot of people are

Doherty is clearly their strongest candidate by a country mile.. although the likes of O Snodaigh and his ilk make that a straight forward issue. Mary Lou needs to be kept in the background as a strategist IMO if they want wider appeal because she is a whiny, irritating wan.
Doherty and Mary Lou are the only 2 credible TD's. but she has an awful way of speaking in public ( We play Mary Lou bingo as to how many times she says "citizens") in the office.

Their energy spokesman is hopeless and is way out of his depth.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:07 PM
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But the point is that no other leader has his past, but no other leader can control the IRA as he has.. you cannot have one without the other

His proposed policies would fill you with fear and luckily they dont get to implement any of them at this point. I wouldnt want him near any decision making that would effect the fiscal policies of the country, but that does not negate what he has provided

He has brought Sinn Fein to a certain point, and in my opinion Doherty is the one to bring them on their next journey if they have any sense, Adams will step aside soon enough
Name one Sinn Fein policy Stacky that fills you with fear?
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:22 PM
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Name one Sinn Fein policy Stacky that fills you with fear?
They have one?
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:32 PM
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The main problem is SF say very little about creating wealth, but lots about taking wealth.


It believes in the state - the power of the state, the control of the state over people and the primacy of the will of the collective over the rights of the individual.

The party frequently outlines its views on multinationals, which are crucial to our economy. “Sinn Féin believes there needs to be a fundamental rethink around the role of foreign investment and trans-national corporations in the Irish economy.”

Corporation tax and multinationals where SF fail to see the positive side to multinationals and their contribution to our economic health. Throughout its economic publications, Sinn Féin displays ‘national socialist' thinking. This means everything national, small and local is good, and everything, international, big and cosmopolitan is bad.

High tax seems to be an end rather than a means, and the philosophy is predicated on an all-knowing, all-powerful state taking our money and spending it for us in areas the state - that is Sinn Féin - sees fit.

Theirs is the economics of a 1970s student bedsit.

With its mixture of marxist rhetoric, against everything populism and an extended sense of persecution politics the party would probably offer at best an incoherent mess of industrial policy.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:49 PM
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The main problem is SF say very little about creating wealth, but lots about taking wealth.


It believes in the state - the power of the state, the control of the state over people and the primacy of the will of the collective over the rights of the individual.

The party frequently outlines its views on multinationals, which are crucial to our economy. “Sinn Féin believes there needs to be a fundamental rethink around the role of foreign investment and trans-national corporations in the Irish economy.”

Corporation tax and multinationals where SF fail to see the positive side to multinationals and their contribution to our economic health. Throughout its economic publications, Sinn Féin displays ‘national socialist' thinking. This means everything national, small and local is good, and everything, international, big and cosmopolitan is bad.

High tax seems to be an end rather than a means, and the philosophy is predicated on an all-knowing, all-powerful state taking our money and spending it for us in areas the state - that is Sinn Féin - sees fit.

Theirs is the economics of a 1970s student bedsit.

With its mixture of marxist rhetoric, against everything populism and an extended sense of persecution politics the party would probably offer at best an incoherent mess of industrial policy.
This is some individual opinion not a policy, once more name one published SF policy that fills you with dread.
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