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Old 02-08-2019, 10:57 AM
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There's over 7 billion of us.

The planet needs to cull us somehow.

Once the water wars begin and the anti-biotics finally give up the ghost we can expect human populations to crash spectacularly.

But that's our childrens' and grandchildrens' problem.

For now, enjoy the steaks.
future jams' problem - and fuck him.
I'm coming around to that view too.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:11 AM
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future jams' problem - and fuck him.
I'm coming around to that view too.
That's an appalling attitude to take.

Monstrously selfish and utterly defeatist.
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:05 PM
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That's an appalling attitude to take.

Monstrously selfish and utterly defeatist.
Certain individuals would have you believe that we have never had it so good.

They confuse scientific and technological developments with improving our general lot.
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:41 PM
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Certain individuals would have you believe that we have never had it so good.

They confuse scientific and technological developments with improving our general lot.
Yeah, the bubble will never burst, the planet can support 13 billion red meat eating humans without a bother.
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:46 PM
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Yeah, the bubble will never burst, the planet can support 13 billion red meat eating humans without a bother.
"Throw another shrimp on the barbie".

Its quite simple, the land will become exhausted, crops will start to fail and people will start to starve.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:06 PM
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"Throw another shrimp on the barbie".

Its quite simple, the land will become exhausted, crops will start to fail and people will start to starve.
It will be fine, by this time next year we'll be growing potatoes on the Moon.

Science has got everything under control, Stephen Pinker said so.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:27 PM
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We've fucked it. Greenland is melting so fast at the moment it added 0.5 mm GLOBALLY in one day. There are hundreds of forrest fires burning in the Arctic. Jair Bolsonaro is happily ignoring the destruction of The Amazon, which its confirmed is at the rate of a Manhattan Island a day and 2x times the worst ever recorded. Oh and Paris nearly hit 43 degrees.

I mean, we're fucked arent we? Short of some mega geo engineering we're making the planet uninhabitable.
Dry your eyes m8.

Too many chumps like you crying about the hole in the ozone layer, global warming, climate change, extreme climate epidemic, woke wanker panic, weather aids. Calm your tits.

Quit trying to inject silicone and botox into mother nature and let her grow old gracefully.


Let things come to its natural end.
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Politicians and pundits like to invoke “moonshot” language. But transforming the energy economy is not like putting a few people on the moon a few times. It is like putting all of humanity on the moon—permanently.


COMMENTARY
Inconvenient Energy Realities
Mark P. Mills
JULY 1, 2019
ENERGY
The math behind “The New Energy Economy: An Exercise in Magical Thinking”

A week doesn’t pass without a mayor, governor, policymaker or pundit joining the rush to demand, or predict, an energy future that is entirely based on wind/solar and batteries, freed from the “burden” of the hydrocarbons that have fueled societies for centuries. Regardless of one’s opinion about whether, or why, an energy “transformation” is called for, the physics and economics of energy combined with scale realities make it clear that there is no possibility of anything resembling a radically “new energy economy” in the foreseeable future. Bill Gates has said that when it comes to understanding energy realities “we need to bring math to the problem.”

He’s right. So, in my recent Manhattan Institute report, “The New Energy Economy: An Exercise in Magical Thinking,” I did just that.

Herein, then, is a summary of some of bottom-line realities from the underlying math. (See the full report for explanations, documentation and citations.)

Realities About the Scale of Energy Demand

1. Hydrocarbons supply over 80% of world energy: If all that were in the form of oil, the barrels would line up from Washington, D.C., to Los Angeles, and that entire line would grow by the height of the Washington Monument every week.

2. The small two percentage-point decline in the hydrocarbon share of world energy use entailed over $2 trillion in cumulative global spending on alternatives over that period; solar and wind today supply less than 2% of the global energy.

3. When the world’s four billion poor people increase energy use to just one-third of Europe’s per capita level, global demand rises by an amount equal to twice America’s total consumption.

4. A 100x growth in the number of electric vehicles to 400 million on the roads by 2040 would displace 5% of global oil demand.

5. Renewable energy would have to expand 90-fold to replace global hydrocarbons in two decades. It took a half-century for global petroleum production to expand “only” 10-fold.

6. Replacing U.S. hydrocarbon-based electric generation over the next 30 years would require a construction program building out the grid at a rate 14-fold greater than any time in history.

7. Eliminating hydrocarbons to make U.S. electricity (impossible soon, infeasible for decades) would leave untouched 70% of U.S. hydrocarbons use—America uses 16% of world energy.

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27. The common cliché: an energy tech disruption will echo the digital tech disruption. But information-producing machines and energy-producing machines involve profoundly different physics; the cliché is sillier than comparing apples to bowling balls.

28. If solar power scaled like computer-tech, a single postage-stamp-size solar array would power the Empire State Building. That only happens in comic books.

29. If batteries scaled like digital tech, a battery the size of a book, costing three cents, could power a jetliner to Asia. That only happens in comic books.

30. If combustion engines scaled like computers, a car engine would shrink to the size of an ant and produce a thousand-fold more horsepower; actual ant-sized engines produce 100,000 times less power.

31. No digital-like 10x gains exist for solar tech. Physics limit for solar cells (the Shockley-Queisser limit) is a max conversion of about 33% of photons into electrons; commercial cells today are at 26%.

32. No digital-like 10x gains exist for wind tech. Physics limit for wind turbines (the Betz limit) is a max capture of 60% of energy in moving air; commercial turbines achieve 45%.

33. No digital-like 10x gains exist for batteries: maximum theoretical energy in a pound of oil is 1,500% greater than max theoretical energy in the best pound of battery chemicals.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:28 PM
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The US is the largest producer of carbon and is ruled by a minority of clowns and super capitalist. China will do nothing but try to catch the US and the second world is rapidly developing while Europe pretends it cares but buys more stuff. We are fucked and it’s sad because with a little innovation and corporation it could be very much different. Capitalism is a failure because perpetual economic growth is disastrous.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:55 PM
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There's over 7 billion of us.

The planet needs to cull us somehow.

Once the water wars begin and the anti-biotics finally give up the ghost we can expect human populations to crash spectacularly.

But that's our childrens' and grandchildrens' problem.

For now, enjoy the steaks.
We are due an old extinction level event all the same
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:18 PM
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The Tundra is on fire now-uncontrolled fires in Alaska, Canada, Greenland and Siberia is devastating the tundra at present
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