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View Poll Results: Who will form the next government
FG/FF/Greens 16 28.57%
SF/PBP-AAA/SD/Greens/Aontu/IND 6 10.71%
FF/SF/Greens, etc 22 39.29%
SF/FG/Greens, etc 3 5.36%
A.N Other 3 5.36%
Sander's Mam 6 10.71%
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Just try and stop them m8.
How did stopping the Civil rights marches work out again?
Just try and stop Orange Walks from going through neighbourhoods where they're not wanted??????

Even over the last two decades or more the RUC/PSNI have stopped certain parades in the statelet where it's a "national holiday". If it's part of a reunited Ireland I wouldn't foresee there being much problem stopping a parade from progressing against the resident's wishes TBH
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Doesnt matter whats up for discussion.

NO SURRENDER!



Really? Would you not be prepared to give up on the Tricolour and Anthem for a reunited Ireland? THe people of this jursidiction gave up the claim on the North in our constitution in order to achieve peace. Why on earth wouldn't the anthem and flag be up for negotiation in a 32 county Ireland?

They found a new flag in South Africa to include the old and the new to some degree. Surely it's not beyond our wit to come up with an agreed flag and anthenm. Heaven knows it would make things a lot easier at Rugby Internationals for a start
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Passports, citizenship rights, national holidays, national languages, anthem, flag, twelfth marches, integrating PUL culture in all aspects even the parts that might be unpalatable, all of it should be up for grabs when the unity discussions take place in advance of the inevitable border poll whenever it might come.

General consensus is the census will show a nationalist voting majority next year.

It can be brushed aside by MM, it can be railed against by Jim Allister, RDE and Harris can write Op Eds telling us it is too soon and we can't afford it and there will be violence from loyalism, (the same loyalism that said peaceful and democratic means only to republicans) and there will be a revisionist No Campaign down here when it comes about.

But I genuinely believe, if we do it right, we can give unionists everything they have now in an agreed united Ireland - certainly much more than has been afforded to nationalists and republicans for the last 100 years to the present day.
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Passports, citizenship rights, national holidays, national languages, anthem, flag, twelfth marches, integrating PUL culture in all aspects even the parts that might be unpalatable, all of it should be up for grabs when the unity discussions take place in advance of the inevitable border poll whenever it might come.

General consensus is the census will show a nationalist voting majority next year.

It can be brushed aside by MM, it can be railed against by Jim Allister, RDE and Harris can write Op Eds telling us it is too soon and we can't afford it and there will be violence from loyalism, (the same loyalism that said peaceful and democratic means only to republicans) and there will be a revisionist No Campaign down here when it comes about.

But I genuinely believe, if we do it right, we can give unionists everything they have now in an agreed united Ireland - certainly much more than has been afforded to nationalists and republicans for the last 100 years to the present day.
Agreed. We have to be the bigger people. But this is where MM is missing a trick imho. He leads a party that claims to be a Republican Party, and even FG say they aspire to a 32 county Ireland. So why when even working towards a border poll is suggested all MM can do is try pour cold water on it.

MM could very easily give a nod to his "republican" credentials by trying to woo unionism. Let them know that we're not all horny-tailed devils down here. Create a department or even junior department to see after cross border trade, tourism and transport. To get unionism on side, you need to get their business moguls on side. The vast majority of loyalists will trust their business leaders. Show to them that not alone is the republic a place where everybody can do business, but it's a place where better business can be done. And a place where a critical mass of 7M people on the island could be better than the sum of its parts.

There's very little that divides us from our northern cousins apart from the differences carefully fostered by some people for their own ends.

The majority of them follow the same EPL teams that the majority of people down here do. They speak the same language. They have the same intermingled bloodlines. Similar eye colouring, hair colouring, freckles, illnesses and ailments.

There is far more that unites us than divides us imho
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From whom exactly jimmy??? Who would put the current flag or Anthem ahead of reunification? They're mere symbols of an aspiration. Who would sacrifice the realisation of such an aspiration to retain the symbols instead of the reality ???
Id be in no doubt you will have online campaigns demanding the flag
and anthem be kept,
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Passports, citizenship rights, national holidays, national languages, anthem, flag, twelfth marches, integrating PUL culture in all aspects even the parts that might be unpalatable, all of it should be up for grabs when the unity discussions take place in advance of the inevitable border poll whenever it might come.

General consensus is the census will show a nationalist voting majority next year.

It can be brushed aside by MM, it can be railed against by Jim Allister, RDE and Harris can write Op Eds telling us it is too soon and we can't afford it and there will be violence from loyalism, (the same loyalism that said peaceful and democratic means only to republicans) and there will be a revisionist No Campaign down here when it comes about.

But I genuinely believe, if we do it right, we can give unionists everything they have now in an agreed united Ireland - certainly much more than has been afforded to nationalists and republicans for the last 100 years to the present day.
There’s some serious amount of delusion going on here. There is no “nationalist voting majority”. About half of “nationalists” would vote to remain in UK according to recent polls. As for giving unionists what they want in a united ireland. Clue is in the name friend what they want is to remain in the UK.
Any vote on a united ireland would be heavily defeated even after a possible hard brexit.
A United ireland if it ever happens is decades way. The only preparation required is for the creation of a federal state and of course for Norn Ireland to stop being the giant money sucking failed statelet it is now.
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