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Old 13-01-2019, 03:08 PM
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As you pointed out people will always take drugs, may I point out something else, criminal gangs and gangland violence will always exist, if they are not involved in the drugs trade then something else will take their fancy, to suggest there would be no gangland violence in the country if drugs were legalised is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read.

I think casúr was refferring specifically to the Kinahan cartel.
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Old 13-01-2019, 03:11 PM
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As you pointed out people will always take drugs, may I point out something else, criminal gangs and gangland violence will always exist, if they are not involved in the drugs trade then something else will take their fancy, to suggest there would be no gangland violence in the country if drugs were legalised is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read.
The thing is though is without the huge drug income, the violence levels would be severely reduced
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Old 13-01-2019, 03:21 PM
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I think casúr was refferring specifically to the Kinahan cartel.
The majority of his post seemed to be about the legalisation of cannibis, he suggested cocaine with a question mark? What about heroine is anyone suggesting that be legalised? So unless governments went the whole hog and legalised every class A drug which is unlikely ever to happen (judging by the resistance to legalisation of something as benign as cannibis) then there will always be a vacuum filled by criminal gangs so I would still refute his theory there would be no gangland violence. This violence has more to do with competition amongst the gangs and invading turfs etc than the product they are selling (which could be anything), there will always be a Kinahan cartel or equivalent, its not like we didn't have criminal gangs before drugs entered the country. Look at the US where the mafia were always involved in internecine violence, long before they got involved in drugs we are only catching up to what has being going on internationally for years.
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Old 13-01-2019, 03:23 PM
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The thing is though is without the huge drug income, the violence levels would be severely reduced
And what are they going to do?

Go back to armed robbery? Good luck with that, with modern sophisticated security and rapid response teams that are armed and highly trained.

Protection rackets? Good luck with that too, getting Costa, Ikea and argos to pay up. So many businesses are part of a large corporate giant nowadays and how much will you make off the ones that aren't? You'd be better off getting a job.

Internet Fraud. Possibly, but you won't be shooting anyone for that.

Tiger kidnappings? See above, stiff stiff sentences when caught.

I'm probably missing something, but the crime of today and tomorrow, outside the drugs trade, probably won't involve as much violence as that of days gone past.
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Old 13-01-2019, 04:19 PM
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Look at the US where the mafia were always involved in internecine violence, long before they got involved in drugs we are only catching up to what has being going on internationally for years.
Prohibition of alcohol was a huge boon to the mafia
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Old 13-01-2019, 04:38 PM
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Prohibition of alcohol was a huge boon to the mafia
And did they disappear when prohibition ended?
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Old 13-01-2019, 04:54 PM
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And did they disappear when prohibition ended?
No they progressed to heroin. But even then they were never as strong or violent as they were during prohibition
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Old 13-01-2019, 05:14 PM
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No they progressed to heroin. But even then they were never as strong or violent as they were during prohibition
Well they got involved in anything where there existed an opportunity to exploit.

If you think there is only violence in the drug trade why don't you try your hand at some diesel smuggling over the border, for a few handy shillings. Do you think Slab Murphy et al will welcome the competition and cut their prices to drive you out of the market or you reckon he may have someone put a bullet in your head? For some reason criminal organisations don't respond to competition the same way a large corporation might.
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Old 13-01-2019, 05:56 PM
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Well they got involved in anything where there existed an opportunity to exploit.

If you think there is only violence in the drug trade why don't you try your hand at some diesel smuggling over the border, for a few handy shillings. Do you think Slab Murphy et al will welcome the competition and cut their prices to drive you out of the market or you reckon he may have someone put a bullet in your head? For some reason criminal organisations don't respond to competition the same way a large corporation might.
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Old 13-01-2019, 09:59 PM
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The thing about weed is it tends fo magnify tendencies or any mental issues you have if you are prone to them. But that’s just like alcohol, a prick is even a bigger prick when drinking.

People who are chill will chill out more after a smoke.


But there is a huge difference between let’s say, a weed cafe and a busy bar in places like Amsterdam.

Alcohol is definitely the more dangerous drug and a big killer and cause of depression in this country.

If we opened weed cafes would there be as much violence in them in comparison to our pubs here?
Would there be more or less fights, people being bottled and arguments?

Not to mention rage posting in the PROC

Of course you're right about the violence. Stoners don't want to fight each other. I don't think that's a red herring though. I just don't think we need another recreational drug that's potentially going to cause more problems, psych/addiction/health issues, wasted lives etc.
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