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Old 16-05-2019, 12:09 PM
RightHalfBack RightHalfBack is offline
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To be fair lads, who the fuck else would take that job? Who did ye expect, Jim McGuinness?
Counihan is actually a decent enough appointment even though he more or less fell into the role. He knows the ground well enough, he's seen the top of the tree and has worked with underage squads a good bit. He has never neglected the club in the midst of all that either and has been heavily involved with Aghada.
It's a huge job for sure, but there wasn't a hope in hell anyone from outside Cork was going to be taking that job.
I would tend to agree with you Westy. My only concern with Counihan is the fact that while manager of Cork and with an array of decent football talent at his disposal ( which no Cork manager before or after him had the like of in my opinion ) he never once seemed to show any signs of having a tactical mind or the ability to set up the team with different game planning. If this is the conservative mindset he will bring to the role then he will make zero impact but IF he gets the right people in around him who can advise on skills development, game awareness and game planning then I think he could be a decent appointment - a good man who is likeable and will command respect. There is still a big IF though on the bit in bold and this is essential for the development of Cork football at all levels
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Old 26-05-2019, 07:07 AM
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lads any word on how the footballers are shaping up ? any more challenge games played ? who is going well ? likely starting team v Limerick ? etc. Looking at what Roscommon did to Mayo last night it must surely give hope to a lot of teams that if you play with tenacity, work hard, tackle hard and have plenty running in you that good things can be achieved. It’s a shame about Powter and Ryan and I hope they both get the support they need to make it back. I would love to think that we could make the Super 8 but a win against Limerick, a respectable performance against Kerry are both required in order to set us up to have a cabot at making it through the back door. That must be the aim for this year and let the team develop further through having the extra games against better opposition. The six million dollar question is whether we have it in us
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Old 26-05-2019, 08:35 AM
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Assuming we beat Limerick and lose the Munster final, we go into the qualifiers to play a side coming through the earlier rounds. Already in the earlier qualifier rounds you have Mayo and Monaghan. The way the provincial rounds are falling you're going to have one of Tyrone or Donegal also come through that end, and Kildare from Leinster. Avoiding any of those, you're left with probably a Cavan, Fermanagh, Armagh or Clare. Lob Laois in there given their recent D2 promotion, or potentially a bounce back from Tipp.

Aside from Tipp, we haven't beaten any sides at that level in championship in about 6 years (Galway in Croke Park). Given we have consistently regressed in those 6 years, it's safe enough to say a loss there is highly likely.

So basically, we're looking at beating Limerick, losing to Kerry, and losing our qualifier match. No run of games to build experience, not even a confidence fillup like last years game against Tipp. In fact, it's set up to do the exact opposite.

What an absolute shit show of a championship structure. I would have little faith in our current management, but they have a very poor chance of building anything with so little meaningful games against sides of a similar standard like we get in the league, compared to how some Leinster or Ulster counties get a run of games going.
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Old 26-05-2019, 02:03 PM
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Assuming we beat Limerick and lose the Munster final, we go into the qualifiers to play a side coming through the earlier rounds. Already in the earlier qualifier rounds you have Mayo and Monaghan. The way the provincial rounds are falling you're going to have one of Tyrone or Donegal also come through that end, and Kildare from Leinster. Avoiding any of those, you're left with probably a Cavan, Fermanagh, Armagh or Clare. Lob Laois in there given their recent D2 promotion, or potentially a bounce back from Tipp.

Aside from Tipp, we haven't beaten any sides at that level in championship in about 6 years (Galway in Croke Park). Given we have consistently regressed in those 6 years, it's safe enough to say a loss there is highly likely.

So basically, we're looking at beating Limerick, losing to Kerry, and losing our qualifier match. No run of games to build experience, not even a confidence fillup like last years game against Tipp. In fact, it's set up to do the exact opposite.

What an absolute shit show of a championship structure. I would have little faith in our current management, but they have a very poor chance of building anything with so little meaningful games against sides of a similar standard like we get in the league, compared to how some Leinster or Ulster counties get a run of games going.
This fella has had a season behind already and has been involved with previous set ups. He has had plenty of games to build and develop. Clearly he will find plenty if excuses once they are dumped out in July by a team that takes football seriously.
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Old 26-05-2019, 02:10 PM
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Assuming we beat Limerick and lose the Munster final, we go into the qualifiers to play a side coming through the earlier rounds. Already in the earlier qualifier rounds you have Mayo and Monaghan. The way the provincial rounds are falling you're going to have one of Tyrone or Donegal also come through that end, and Kildare from Leinster. Avoiding any of those, you're left with probably a Cavan, Fermanagh, Armagh or Clare. Lob Laois in there given their recent D2 promotion, or potentially a bounce back from Tipp.

Aside from Tipp, we haven't beaten any sides at that level in championship in about 6 years (Galway in Croke Park). Given we have consistently regressed in those 6 years, it's safe enough to say a loss there is highly likely.

So basically, we're looking at beating Limerick, losing to Kerry, and losing our qualifier match. No run of games to build experience, not even a confidence fillup like last years game against Tipp. In fact, it's set up to do the exact opposite.

What an absolute shit show of a championship structure. I would have little faith in our current management, but they have a very poor chance of building anything with so little meaningful games against sides of a similar standard like we get in the league, compared to how some Leinster or Ulster counties get a run of games going.
A very good post hit the nail on the head re meaningful games...
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Old 26-05-2019, 02:52 PM
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To be fair lads, who the fuck else would take that job? Who did ye expect, Jim McGuinness?
Counihan is actually a decent enough appointment even though he more or less fell into the role. He knows the ground well enough, he's seen the top of the tree and has worked with underage squads a good bit. He has never neglected the club in the midst of all that either and has been heavily involved with Aghada.
It's a huge job for sure, but there wasn't a hope in hell anyone from outside Cork was going to be taking that job.
They could look at someone who wasn’t on the organizing committee at least. Or indeed a younger option
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Old 27-05-2019, 05:15 PM
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They could look at someone who wasn’t on the organizing committee at least. Or indeed a younger option
Who would you have suggested?
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Old 27-05-2019, 07:47 PM
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What will the team be ? Sam Ryan, Seanie Powter, Kevin Crowley and I think Paul Walsh are all out for the Limerick game..
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:04 PM
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listened to a good interview with Ronan McCarthy yesterday on RedFM - sounded like he was being realistic but at the same time stating that he felt Cork had a fair bit of quality. If it goes pear shaped then he is firmly putting himself on the chopping block in fairness - I like his honesty. Much easier to hide behind the perceived lack of quality or injuries in the squad and protect himself before the event but he didn’t do that. Kevin Flahive also interviewed and was equally realistic but seemed quietly confident that the team could perform. Nothing stupid is being said, respectful of the opposition and of Cork’s league position but there is at least some level of expectation among the players which is good - in fact it is essential if we are to make any progress. The real talking will need to be done on grass but I am giving credit where it is due and they came across well
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:28 PM
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Team out tomorrow? McCarthy loves an early team announcement

Not even going to try predict a team
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