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Old 22-10-2019, 11:04 AM
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Rúaidhrí O'Connor: 'An attacking revolution, mental overhaul and squad makeover - what Andy Farrell must do to rebuild Ireland'

Rúaidhrí O'Connor

October 22 2019 2:30 AM


The night before Andy Farrell was confirmed as Ireland's next head coach, Joe Schmidt was crowned World Rugby's Coach of the Year in Monaco.

Much of the focus that day centred around the New Zealander's contribution to Leinster and Irish rugby and when the succession plan was assessed, the analysis largely centred around the big shoes the Englishman would have to fill.

Eleven months later, the task looks an even tougher one for very different reasons.

It is unclear as to how the coaching transition will actually manifest itself, but in essence the changeover happened at full-time in Tokyo when the two men sat side by side, watching in horror as New Zealand punished Ireland's errors and ran in seven tries to bring another World Cup campaign to an end at the quarter-final stage.

Even as Schmidt gave his interviews and held his press conference, his time in charge was at an end and Farrell was assessing what he'd just witnessed through the prism of how he now must pick up the pieces.

He has major decisions to make, from the captaincy and the way he treats a damaged leadership group to the strategy for regenerating a stale team and a game-plan that has been left behind by the major nations in the last 12 months.

In 14 weeks, Ireland open their Six Nations campaign at home to Scotland in what will be Farrell's first as the main man.

The make-up of his squad and the identity of his captain will tell us much about the direction he wants to take things. Then, we'll see what approach he's taking.


Between now and then, he has a number of big calls to consider.

1 - The senior men
Steve Hansen's comments on experience should be nailed to the wall at the union HQ.

Essentially, the All Blacks coach said that Ireland's experience of losing quarter-finals meant it was no use to them when it came to the pressurised environment of facing the world's best team with history on the line.

Schmidt put his faith in his senior players, sticking with them despite losses in form and advance years.

Sure, Devin Toner and Jack McGrath might question the notion that the Kiwi was loyal but as New Zealand were ripping up the script and backing form, Ireland were going back to the same collection of players.

Only Rory Best will retire after this tournament, so Farrell must decide what to do with the players who don't look like making it all the way to France in 2023. All of the players are under contract with the IRFU until the end of next season at the very least.

Johnny Sexton will be 38 when the next tournament rolls around, Rob Kearney will be 37 and his deal runs until the end of the season. Conor Murray is under contract until 2022 and will be 34 in France, Cian Healy will be 35, Seán Cronin 37, Peter O'Mahony 34 and Keith Earls 35.

During a difficult 2015/'16, Schmidt was forced to experiment in the 2016 Six Nations and again in South Africa that summer. By the time he got to the 2017 summer tour, he had an idea of what was coming through.

Farrell is unlikely to ditch everyone on the back of what's happened in Japan. The IRFU will demand Six Nations results and he needs to get a bit of goodwill through results.

But there is room for big moves, with Joey Carbery deserving of a run as a starter with Sexton in a redefined role, while Jordan Larmour must start.

Form should be valued over experience whenever possible. Ireland don't have the player depth England and New Zealand do, but there were players in the World Cup squad playing better than some of the starters - even some of the younger men.

Meanwhile, he must build a new core of leaders around a new captain in James Ryan, with Robbie Henshaw, Garry Ringrose, Tadhg Furlong and Iain Henderson the men who will be the senior corps in four years' time.

2 - New blood
Project players Jamison Gibson-Park and Rhys Marshall will be available to Farrell in the next Six Nations, while he'll have to wait until November to pick James Lowe and Connacht captain Jarrad Butler.

They'll add to his options, while he'll also look to infuse the squad with more new blood with Leinster hooker Rónan Kelleher a player whose early-season form will catch his eye.

He's relying on players making a mark at provincial level, but he'll have 2023 in mind when he's assessing performances in the PRO14 and Champions Cup and will watch the likes of Max Deegan, Scott Penny and Caelan Doris closely as he looks to reinvent a tired-looking back-row.

Munster's Craig Casey and Fineen Wycherley could make a mark, while Ulster flyer Aaron Sexton is off with the sevens for the season but could be another. Michael Lowry may be small, but he has the game-changing abilities that Ireland's opponents have been looking for.

3 - An attacking revolution
The biggest proving ground for Farrell will centre on the way his team attack.

The reality of Ireland's athletic profile must be acknowledged - they're not a team who can rely on going through teams so they must develop a strategy for going around them.

Mike Catt is the man Farrell has appointed to assist him with this department, although it is likely the head coach will have a heavy influence on the style of play with the ball as well as without it. He has watched and analysed Ireland more than most in the last three years, so he can see where they're going wrong.

Other teams have figured out a way to beat his rush defence, so he has a job on his hands there, but finding ways to get Ireland more effective in possession and more dangerous to their opponents must surely be the priority.

They can't just copy what's happened in Japan, they need to innovate or face being left behind once again.

4 - A mental overhaul
Ireland are scarred by their history of failure at World Cups.

Schmidt created an environment that was able to produce historic first wins, but when it came to the crunch the baggage of past failures appeared to inhibit them.

Performance coach Enda McNulty was in Japan and has been working with players throughout Schmidt's time in charge, but on the pitch the players didn't look like they truly believed their own confident words in the build-up.

Ireland's camp has been wound tight, with the former head coach's high-intensity manner filtering down through the player group.

All of those video review sessions ultimately inhibited the players' decision-making and when it came to the crunch moments last Saturday, they were hesitant.

Perhaps a more relaxed, holistic approach might just suit a group of players who have heard the same voice for a long time.

The All Blacks used to have a stigma at World Cups, but they honed in on their mental approach and got over the line.

The players' belief will be at a low base after Saturday, but they'll look on Farrell's time in charge as a fresh start.

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Old 22-10-2019, 11:14 AM
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I don't think Butler is good enough for a starting XV.
Threadwell is picking up a bit of form too up at Ulster.
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Old 22-10-2019, 11:23 AM
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"Johnny Sexton will be 38 when the next tournament rolls around, Rob Kearney will be 37 and his deal runs until the end of the season. Conor Murray is under contract until 2022 and will be 34 in France, Cian Healy will be 35, Seán Cronin 37, Peter O'Mahony 34 and Keith Earls 35".

Kearney should not be selected for Ireland again, fullstop.
Carbery needs to be the starting ten for the 6 nations. Sexton should be eased out of the side this coming year, Carty needs to be given game time.

The other guys mentioned should be eased out of the side in the coming season.
Farrell needs to be ruthless.
The next six nations and set of November internationals need to be about bringing guys through that are going to form the crux of the 2023 side.
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Old 22-10-2019, 11:39 AM
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I'll say it again, the coach can do all the ruthless shit, but the national team is the tip of the iceberg. We have a small playing pool, and we don't generally produce people who are built like bulldozers. For those reasons, in order to be competitive at the pointy end of the RWC, we need a unified rugby philosophy, taught at all schools and clubs and followed by the provinces. If course there will, and should, be variations on a theme, but overriding factor should be around, not through.
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Old 22-10-2019, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LarryDavid View Post
"Johnny Sexton will be 38 when the next tournament rolls around, Rob Kearney will be 37 and his deal runs until the end of the season. Conor Murray is under contract until 2022 and will be 34 in France, Cian Healy will be 35, Seán Cronin 37, Peter O'Mahony 34 and Keith Earls 35".

Kearney should not be selected for Ireland again, fullstop.
Carbery needs to be the starting ten for the 6 nations. Sexton should be eased out of the side this coming year, Carty needs to be given game time.

The other guys mentioned should be eased out of the side in the coming season.
Farrell needs to be ruthless.
The next six nations and set of November internationals need to be about bringing guys through that are going to form the crux of the 2023 side.
Carbery needs to show he can go 2 or 3 full games without getting injured.

Which is another thing. Why are so many of our players so physically fragile? While we had a full bill of health going into the New Zealand game, a massive tranch of them had missed too much rugby in the year up to it because they are so susceptible to injury.
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Old 22-10-2019, 11:49 AM
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The style of play under Joe is very attritional, run through the player not at shoulders or space.
The same complaint was made in 2015 after half the team didn't make it through the French pool decider.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:10 PM
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Leinster side for tonight's game

Exciting back row and Ross Byrnes younger brother Harry starts at 10..supposed to be better than Ross

for all the talent supposedly coming through the leinster academy Dave Kearney still gets a game. Is Adam Byrne injured?

Leinster: J O'Brien; Kearney, O'Loughlin, C O'Brien, Lowe; H Byrne, Gibson-Park; Dooley, R Kelleher, Bent, Toner (capt), Baird; Deegan, Penny, Doris.

Replacements: Tracy, Milne, Aungier, Molony, Connors, O'Sullivan, Frawley, C Kelleher
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:16 PM
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Ulster side for zebre game tonight..

would be good to see addison get a run at 15 for ireland...hard to see a way back for luke marshall unless he rediscovers some of his early career form...lowry is a decent player but im assuming is injured...doesnt seem to be any good young forwards coming through


Ulster: Addison; Ludik, Faddes, Marshall, Lyttle; Johnston, Shanahan; McGrath, Herring (capt.), O'Toole, O'Connor, Treadwell, Rea, Timoney, Coetzee.

Replacements: McBurney, McCall, Kane, Carter, Reidy, Cooney, Curtis, Gilroy.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:18 PM
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first start of the seaosn for Tom Farrell..definatley one for the near future..would like to see Dillane back in the shake up for the six nations

(15-9): Darragh Leader, Niyi Adeolokun, Tom Farrell, Peter Robb, John Porch, Conor Fitzgerald, Kieran Marmion.
(1-: Denis Buckley, Dave Heffernan, Dominic Robertson-McCoy, Ultan Dillane, Joe Maksymiw, Eoghan Masterson, Jarrad Butler (C), Paul Boyle.
Replacements: Jonny Murphy, Matthew Burke, Conor Kenny, Cillian Gallagher, Robin Copeland, Caolin Blade, Tom Daly, Stephen Fitzgerald.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:39 PM
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Kelleher, at 2 for Leinster looks to be ahead of Treacy already.

Harry Byrne at 10 too. Supposed to be the next 10.
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