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Old 17-04-2018, 08:40 AM
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Which is why best international practice is slowly evolving Irish cities especially the inner urban landscapes.

The city centre used to be choked with traffic trying to get down narrow streets and never mind parking and now we have a great walking environment in the city centre with less pollution.

The same Irish people come back from holidays on the continent raving about Lisbon, Copenhagen,Edinburgh or Barcelona etc and then whinge if the same is applied here if they cannot park right outside that shop on a small side street.
everything is amazing abroad and shit here - its a well known fact
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:41 AM
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their mistake was not implementing the full plan day 1. People do not need to drive half as much as they think they do and city centres should not be designed around cars. Who gives a shite if the quays are blocked? Maybe as more pople get frustrated they will look at alternative travel options or routes etc. Habits will change and the city will be a better place for it.
I know that this is your area brah so your opinions carry weight.

However would you agree that step 1 is to actually provide a public transport network that works?

Look at cork airport. Still no proper bus service up there as the taxi drivers would be giving out.
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:42 AM
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Dont get me wrong brah. I like the pedestrianised side streets but blocking a major route through the city and then causing traffic jams on the quays is just bad planning.

City council can at least admit that they tried and failed.
Cork City is bypassed since the Jack Lynch Tunnel was opened and the new bridges at the old Customs House. There is no need to even drive down it in a car.

Yet you like all the "pedestrianised" streets that we were somehow "bullied into"?
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:43 AM
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But, are the quays blocked ? After the first few days , things seem to be ok. Think people just don't like change.
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:48 AM
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I know that this is your area brah so your opinions carry weight.

However would you agree that step 1 is to actually provide a public transport network that works?

Look at cork airport. Still no proper bus service up there as the taxi drivers would be giving out.
absolutely, putting a bus at the airport is such a minor thing that it could be sorted in a morning. I can't understand why a private company has not done this given the void.

park and rides have been put in place and thats another important element of getting in and out of the city. In truth people do not want to change and don't even consider this stuff. it happened up here with the quays when they took a lane away for the busses and has been a massive success. They then went and took another lane on much of the quays, it means I can no longer drive across to work the odd time Id like to as getting from one side of the city centre to the other now takes the bones of an hour in a car at peak times - but I can cycle it in 10 minutes on my own bike or a city bike, or get a bus that would take about 20 minutes.. thats the point
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:48 AM
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everything is amazing abroad and shit here - its a well known fact
In a nutshell why local authorities have to just push on and improve the environment for all in the cities.

Right now we have politicians in the media daily whinging about the homelessness, housing crisis while at the very same time zoning lands for housing and then subsequently objecting to housing developments on that land on behalf of their constituent's who's children actually need the houses.

On the radio last week a local councillor in Glounthane (Sinead Shepherd?) moaning about a big planning application for a few hundred houses in zoned land for housing in the village complaining that "we have nothing" transport etc.

Just 2 motorways, local roads and their very own train station and the occupants of the houses will actually feed into the village economy attracting services.

Politicians are stupid and shortermists.
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:50 AM
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People like to be able to park on pana put on the hazards and
wait while herself runs into Dunnes to change a top,
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:51 AM
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In a nutshell why local authorities have to just push on and improve the environment for all in the cities.

Right now we have politicians in the media daily whinging about the homelessness, housing crisis while at the very same time zoning lands for housing and then subsequently objecting to housing developments on that land on behalf of their constituent's who's children actually need the houses.

On the radio last week a local councillor in Glounthane (Sinead Shepherd?) moaning about a big planning application for a few hundred houses in zoned land for housing in the village complaining that "we have nothing" transport etc.

Just 2 motorways, local roads and their very own train station and the occupants of the houses will actually feed into the village economy attracting services.

Politicians are stupid and shortermists.
no to high-rise and urban sprawl
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:52 AM
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People like to be able to park on pana put on the hazards and
wait while herself runs into Dunnes to change a top,
the truth emerges

- Dunnes will tell you this is vital to local employment and trade
- The ol doll will tell you its a disgrace that it mightn't be this way anymore
- And the politicians will side with both of them for a few votes
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:53 AM
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Which is why best international practice is slowly evolving Irish cities especially the inner urban landscapes.

The city centre used to be choked with traffic trying to get down narrow streets and never mind parking and now we have a great walking environment in the city centre with less pollution.

The same Irish people come back from holidays on the continent raving about Lisbon, Copenhagen,Edinburgh or Barcelona etc and then whinge if the same is applied here if they cannot park right outside that shop on a small side street.
Perhaps there Flying cheapo air and can't purchase anything daycent anyhow.

Have note been to town since it started so interested to see the effect it has sometime soon. Hope I can park close enough though for the 30mins I need.
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