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Old 17-11-2019, 03:42 PM
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What's the issue with it?
Only 8 senior clubs.

Not many for a county where football means everything, they surely should manage to have 12-16 club sides at senior level
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Old 17-11-2019, 03:45 PM
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Be grand, we'll just send the lower Senior grade in next year
Exactly what should happen, as it does in many leinster county's, but won't of course.

Éire Óg were always going to struggle against a high quality Templenoe team with 4 players from All Ireland final this year. Colm O'Callaghan was a huge loss also.
That being said, yes, the compact Kerry Senior championship does help the Intermediate winners. Below that though, Cork could help themselves by entering the winners of third tier in Munster. Knocknagree v Na Gaeil would have been a great game.

It's only going to get worse next year.
Tier 1,3 and 5 winners from Cork go into munster from my understanding.
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Old 17-11-2019, 03:53 PM
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Only 8 senior clubs.

Not many for a county where football means everything, they surely should manage to have 12-16 club sides at senior level
Not when you examine it closely. Kerry is a fairly rural county. Tralee by far the biggest town has 2 big Senior clubs, Rahillys and Stacks. 2 intermediate clubs, Mitchels (former powerhouse who have declined hugely) and Na Gaeil, a growing power. Killarney has 2 senior clubs, Legion and Crokes. Dingle is a big town with a strong club. Kenmare are Senior after finally winning an intermediate recently.
Outside of that, Laune Rangers in Killorglin are gone very poor. Listowel, a big town, are poor, St Mary's Cahirciveen still strong enough but struggle to keep players with migration.

It's rural after that and aside from a strong rural club getting a good generation of players (Templenoe, Milltown etc) that's the way it will be. Divisional structure suits the situation and keeps the SFC strong enough.
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Old 17-11-2019, 04:11 PM
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In Cork next year with the new structures you will have tier one twelve teams , tier two twelve teams , tier three 12 teams , tier 4 16 teams and the tier 5 is the Junior Championship...tier 4 will have 12 teams in 2021...so while our champions will come from tiers 1, 3 and 5 its more or less the same as the teams that not play in Munster club...in other words...our Intermediate reps will be our 25th best team and in 2021 our Junior reps will in effect be our 49th best team ...I believe Kerry are thinking of change as well in there competitions ….
Anyway well done to the great Nemo again today and best of luck in the final...
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Old 17-11-2019, 04:56 PM
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The fact that Kerry teams havent dominated the senior suggests the junior and inter is unfair. In senior Clonmel, Drum-Broadford and Kilmurry twice have won Munster since 2003 with Nemo winning a few. Only the really good Kerry teams have won it like An Ghaeltacht when the O´Sheas were at their peak, Stacks in 2014 and Crokes in recent years.
The Munster junior and inter started in 2003 so this year is the 17th year. Assuming Na Gaeil and Templenoe as expected, win their Munster finals in the next few weeks, then Kerry clubs will have won 14 out of 17 in jun and 13 out of 17 in inter. So 27 out of 34 for Kerry, Cork teams have won the other 7, with the other four Munster counties on zero each which is ridiculous.
Like many competitions in sport where you have a population or financial imbalance thats just the way it is. Cork have a population advantage over Kerry and double or triple the number of clubs but I guess the primacy of football with very little competition from hurling, soccer or rugby is what helps Kerry to achieve this dominance.

winning teams- https://munster.gaa.ie/history/jfclub_teams/
https://munster.gaa.ie/history/inter...football-club/
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Old 17-11-2019, 07:56 PM
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Exactly what should happen, as it does in many leinster county's, but won't of course.

Éire Óg were always going to struggle against a high quality Templenoe team with 4 players from All Ireland final this year. Colm O'Callaghan was a huge loss also.
That being said, yes, the compact Kerry Senior championship does help the Intermediate winners. Below that though, Cork could help themselves by entering the winners of third tier in Munster. Knocknagree v Na Gaeil would have been a great game.

It's only going to get worse next year.
Tier 1,3 and 5 winners from Cork go into munster from my understanding.
Afaik only the KK senior champions and Offaly senior B champions go into Intermediate grade in Leinster, the other 10 have won their intermediate grade.
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Old 17-11-2019, 08:30 PM
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Not when you examine it closely. Kerry is a fairly rural county. Tralee by far the biggest town has 2 big Senior clubs, Rahillys and Stacks. 2 intermediate clubs, Mitchels (former powerhouse who have declined hugely) and Na Gaeil, a growing power. Killarney has 2 senior clubs, Legion and Crokes. Dingle is a big town with a strong club. Kenmare are Senior after finally winning an intermediate recently.
Outside of that, Laune Rangers in Killorglin are gone very poor. Listowel, a big town, are poor, St Mary's Cahirciveen still strong enough but struggle to keep players with migration.

It's rural after that and aside from a strong rural club getting a good generation of players (Templenoe, Milltown etc) that's the way it will be. Divisional structure suits the situation and keeps the SFC strong enough.
The big difference with Cork and Kerry club sides is (bar a few like Nemo, Knocknagree) that Kerry club players are all comfortable kicking with both feet, soloing, catching the ball, off the ball running, playing the game with heads up always moving the ball fast through the foot. Cork club sides for the most part use the fist pass far too much and play alot slower. Their is huge emphasis on players being comfortable with the basic skills of the game and then continuing to strenghten those skills as a player gets older. Ive seen clubs in this county focus too much on phyiscal strength and conditioning at the expense of the basic skills of the game. Id say you could go to any club game in Cork county and see teams handpass the ball the death but hardly see a kickpass played into space.

This is where I feel Cork clubs lag behind Kerry clubs. Also our club structure (at the moment) is producing teams of a high enough calibre to compete beyond the county. Hopefully the restructuring by 2022 will finally increase the standard and improve the quality of football in the county, but I still really feel that coaching the basics all the way through would benefit us alot more
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Old 17-11-2019, 10:12 PM
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In 2017 Knocknagree won Munster and last year Dromtarriffe lost in extra time to Beaufort ….look with so few senior clubs in there championship it makes there Intermediate and Junior Champions very strong we are not competiting like with like in these championships ….its just sickening to lose to them in any football game ..but if you look at the Junior hurling yesterday our 56th best club Russell Rovers bt Kerrys 10th best Kilgarvan by 14 points so that was good !!
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Old 17-11-2019, 10:50 PM
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Cranky is spot on. Corkmen have as many bones in there bums as Kerrymen and can usually get their mitts on the liathróid as often in the course of the game.
There are a few glaring differences from here on it. The Kerryman will guard possession like his life depended on it and will take a few extra steps if he has to. He'll push his opponent away with the free hand and roll away from the tackle. The Templenoe lads did this all day today and yesterday the Tralee lads displayed a few well known tricks of the trade as well.
These skill differences are only there in the lower grades as most senior players even at club level will know most of the tricks.
As Cranky says, coaching at the lower levels would bring our lads up to speed and it's doubtful if changing the championship structures will achieve that.
Eire Og have a few fine footballers but even their best players took wrong options too many times today. Colm O Callaghan was a huge loss and didn't look fit when introduced late on.
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