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Old 03-05-2007, 11:18 AM
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Hasn't happened United

Heard it all before

In fact i've been listening to the same arguments since about 1995
When united start finishing 4th then people can start talking about the end of the Fergie era.....

It's rare they finish 3rd not to mention 4th
its rare arsenal havent finished 2nd since wenger took over....considering the financial strangle of building a brand new stadium its even amazing.
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:19 AM
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Open to correction but from what I can glean from t'INTERNET and memory, these were figures I came up with earlier in the week.

Rafa tactical genius

In
Luis Garcia £6m
Xabi Alonso £10.5m
Peter Crouch £7m
Sissoko £4.5m
Reina £6m
Agger £5.8m
Fowler -
Padelli -
Insua £1m
Brouwer -
Gonzalez £4.5m
Paletta £1m
Aurelio -
Anderson -
El Zhar -
Pennant £6.7m
Bellamy £6.5m

Out
Owen £16m
Cissé -
Hamann -

Fergie Ginsoak

In
Rooney £26m
Heinze £7m
Smith £7m
VDS £2m
Park £4m
Vidic £7.2m
Evra £5.5m
Carrick £16m

Out
Van Nistelrooy £10.2m
Djemba-Djemba £3.5m
Kleberson £2.5m
Obi Mikel £12m
Butt £2m
Forlan £3m
Spector £0.5m

Obviously, the Rooney and Carrick fees are guesstimates of how much they'll ultimately cost given the £10m and £4m that are performance related and based on Utd winning all sorts of trophies.

I've already noticed I've left out a raft of youngsters we sold in the past 12 months like David Jones. Think he went for £1m. Plus I seem to have forgotten about a certain Dirk Kuyt, so add £9m to the Liverpool net spend

Anyway, the important point is that the net spending for both managers since 2004 is very similar, possibly Benitez has spent a bit more.

This is the latest wage bill figures I could find.

2003/04 PREMIERSHIP WAGES (previous year in brackets)

Chelsea: £114.8m (£54.5m)
Man Utd: £76.8m (£79.5m)
Arsenal: £69.7m (£60.6m)
Liverpool: £65.6m (£54.4m)
Newcastle: £44.4m (£45.1m)

Last year's Deloitte survey said Utd were still second in the wage table.




2003/04???? 3 years ago....
how relevant is that wage bill ffs?
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:23 AM
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United received 12 million for him
I'm well aware of it but counting him in this context is ludicrous.
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:24 AM
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its rare arsenal havent finished 2nd since wenger took over....considering the financial strangle of building a brand new stadium its even amazing.
Yup, Arsenal have done really well under Wenger

Second most succesful team In England in the last ten years I reckon

Only United have a better record
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:25 AM
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I'm well aware of it but counting him in this context is ludicrous.
Why?

They signed him

He and Chelsea and others got involed in dodgyness

Chelsea paid United 12 mill as they were clearly in the wrong and wanted the player, who suddenly wanted to play for them
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:28 AM
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Why?

They signed him

He and Chelsea and others got involed in dodgyness

Chelsea paid United 12 mill as they were clearly in the wrong and wanted the player, who suddenly wanted to play for them
United took Chelsea's blood money. They should have taken them ot court. Its all about money with United. They're a cancer on the game if you ask me
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:31 AM
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Mikel?!?!

Come off the stage.
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I'm well aware of it but counting him in this context is ludicrous.
Honestly, I'm intrigued. How is the £12m we received for the transfer of a player on our books to Chelsea not relevant to this? It was Utd that originally scouted the player, had him over on trial and training with the club. Kenyon left and proceeded to hand Chelsea our transfer wishlist including this lad and they went on to have a very "unusual" relationship with the player but nothing official.

We stepped in, offered him a pro contract, he signed, he "disappears" under death threats, shows up in London. Chelsea try and throw their weight around, Utd say "fuck off". Chelsea relent and buy the player off us.

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2003/04???? 3 years ago....
how relevant is that wage bill ffs?
Deloitte charge for the newer figures. I wasn't too keen on going to that extent.

In any case, Utd' wage spending should have come down a little since then as well. Our squad has been trimmed considerably and some notable big earners like RVN and probably Butt and P. Neville have left.
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:31 AM
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United took Chelsea's blood money. They should have taken them ot court. Its all about money with United. They're a cancer on the game if you ask me
Yes, Chelsea were wrong yet United are to blame.........

Because the FA or UEFA would have fined Chelsea 50,000 euros or given them a suspended worthless points deduction

The FA have tapped Chelsea wrists over

Ashley Cole
Frank Arneson (sp)
the young Leeds players
etc

United took 12 million of their rivals, bought Carrick and may well win the league

Obi and Chelsea deserve each other
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:42 AM
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I thought this thread was about the cl semi finals.
I missed them.
I heard the best teams
went through and that the best player in the world shone.
So it's a manyoo - chelsea final, yeah?
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:45 AM
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Yup, Arsenal have done really well under Wenger

Second most succesful team In England in the last ten years I reckon

Only United have a better record
They're a nice little club. Best of luck to them for the rest of the season I say.
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