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Old 18-10-2013, 03:55 PM
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Obviously you still need talented players but having a system that players have grown up with and understand can only be of benefit.
Systems should be irrelevant to 10 year olds. You teach them to pass it, control it and move without it. To head it, to tackle and to work in units to close down and cut off angles.

If all your players can do that, you can play whatever system you want.

By the way, on the crazy parent problem, you hear stuff mentioned like games where they keep score for under 6's. Does anyone know if soccer in this country really has games where they keep score for under 6's?
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Old 18-10-2013, 04:14 PM
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Systems should be irrelevant to 10 year olds. You teach them to pass it, control it and move without it. To head it, to tackle and to work in units to close down and cut off angles.

If all your players can do that, you can play whatever system you want.

By the way, on the crazy parent problem, you hear stuff mentioned like games where they keep score for under 6's. Does anyone know if soccer in this country really has games where they keep score for under 6's?
Yes as 10 year olds you teach them the basic skills and get them playing football but as teams progress and age you need some sort of a system. Spain, Belguim have shown that. Obviously you need to adapt for every game but if players are used to playing in a certain style then it can only be of benefit.

I do not about under 6's but certainly there are competitive U-10, U-11 games etc.
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Old 18-10-2013, 05:27 PM
Cloudy O'Ranieri Cloudy O'Ranieri is offline
 
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Again if this is the case play lads who play in those positions. It's better having a player who is comfortable in just the default position playing a simpler game rather than a player who is comfortable in neither. James McCarthy did well in the position he always plays in. Seamus Coleman did well enough too in the position he plays in etc. Kevin Doyle was crap as he is not fast and not technically great. he would have given everything up front though and caused the centre backs problems using his determination and power which are his strengths. Whelan was particularly worse than most against Germany as he had never played out wide before and, if acting as a second full back, was not a full back either.

There are not many examples of Trap playing lads out of position and it working. e.g. Andy Keogh away to Italy. A forward who had never really played on the wing before started in Italy. So terrible he was taken off at half-time by a manager who rarely subs before 70/80 minutes. Even at centre-back he would play Kelly every now and then and Kelly would be terrible.

Completely agree it's not that simple but if we don't have many options the best ones have to be picked and play a simpler game. How tactical can you expect an international team to be when you only have them a few days also. Spain and Germany, besides having the players, have their perfect models for both club and country so don't have to worry about that so it's even more imperative that the Irish team selected are as comfortable as possible at the role assigned to them.
...and that brings us back to the subject of expectation. We have limited players playing in a rigid formation. Why should we (the fans) expect to qualify for tournaments or even get to play offs? We should hope it's possible but not expect to be there, and that's where we are until something changes.
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Old 20-10-2013, 07:35 PM
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King could have tried to make a real point, like he didn't make a change because we were solid, keeping our shape and so on, and that he put on McGeady when the defenders were tiring and he thought McGeady could make most impact.

There were lots of football reasons to defend his choice. There were others to say he was wrong. But he should just explain his reasoning and let the world decide whether he was right or wrong. Going off on one just make him look like he was out of his depth.

It doesn't help him either that he kept defending the Germany performance, when really the only difference between the first and second German games was that they were exceptionally clinical in the first and the opposite in the second. In the first they had 9 shots, 6 on target. In the second they had 28 shots, 11 on target.
Yeah, someone with more media experience could have just batted it away but King didn't really have anything to prove so he could afford to make Tony O'Donoghue look like a petty nitpicker. But it shows how hard it will be for the next manager when they're always being second-guessed on their team selection, substitutions, tactics etc.

I agree about the Germany performance, they won most of their games by three goals so the Irish attitude beforehand was losing by 3 goals or less would be a success but if that's success, well...
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Old 20-10-2013, 08:19 PM
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Totally clueless was mrs brown -his team formation was abysmal
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Old 23-10-2013, 08:09 PM
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Ive no doubt that Ruud Doktor will get to the bottom of this.
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