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Old 20-09-2019, 12:33 PM
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Not wumming Dan. The rugby crowd go way overboard about minor achievements.
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Old 20-09-2019, 12:36 PM
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Not wumming Dan. The rugby crowd go way overboard about minor achievements.
I've said myself that documentary was an embarrassment but that is down to RTE and not your average punter or player.

See the equally dross history of hurling shite. Made by people who clearly don't have the faintest interest in sport.


Im looking forward to a great tournament. To say we think we are going to win it or are overconfident is bollocks. The expectation levels are as low as theyve ever been


The Japs look handy tbf.
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Old 20-09-2019, 12:44 PM
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Low level WUMming m8s.

Japan romping home.


The Russians havnt taken this sort of beating from the Japs since the battle of lake Khasan in 1938.
No WUMming at all. There is no focus from the IRFU on the world cup at all. They know that the provincial teams and six nations, November tests(?) are where the money is. Ultimately this leads to poor performance at the world cup.

The provinces could let a few lads over 30 yrs old overseas to blood more young players, whilst still playing the aforesaid in internationals.
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Old 20-09-2019, 01:02 PM
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No WUMming at all. There is no focus from the IRFU on the world cup at all. They know that the provincial teams and six nations, November tests(?) are where the money is. Ultimately this leads to poor performance at the world cup.

The provinces could let a few lads over 30 yrs old overseas to blood more young players, whilst still playing the aforesaid in internationals.
So you are criticising the IRFU for selling out their home fixtures and having a contract system that keeps most of the talent based in Ireland?


Right.


Ireland are serial underachievers at the world cup. No one is arguing this. I've been Schmidt's most vocal critic for the last 4 years.
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Old 20-09-2019, 01:21 PM
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So you are criticising the IRFU for selling out their home fixtures and having a contract system that keeps most of the talent based in Ireland?


Right.


Ireland are serial underachievers at the world cup. No one is arguing this. I've been Schmidt's most vocal critic for the last 4 years.
I am being critical in the sense that they don't seem to give a fcuk about the world cup.

Should it not be the ultimate goal of all rugby playing nations to achieve as much as they can from this tournament?

BTW, how many lads who have played overseas have retired in comparison to the players centrally contracted here?

Right.
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Old 20-09-2019, 02:11 PM
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I am being critical in the sense that they don't seem to give a fcuk about the world cup.

Should it not be the ultimate goal of all rugby playing nations to achieve as much as they can from this tournament?

BTW, how many lads who have played overseas have retired in comparison to the players centrally contracted here?

Right.
I think the 6 nations took the wind out of everyone's sails, with the England game the final nail in the coffin for Irish optimism.

In order to progress past the quarter finals, we'll have to beat one of the two best teams in the world, a year ago, we'd be confident, today, not so much.

As for overseas vs home, presumably you weren't following rugby in the 90s?

There was a point in the late 90s where it looked like the rugby teams was going to suffer the same fate as the soccer team, over a quarter of the 1999 RWC squad played outside Ireland, while the provinces were doing well, the clubs were hemorrhaging money (my club, Highfield were one of the worst, almost went bust).

The Celtic League solidified the provinces, giving them weekly top rugby, allowed central contracting. It allowed Ireland to be competitive with, albeit not quite topping, the English and French when it comes to pay.

Problem is, if they don't keep that unwritten rule about playing abroad in place, then the provinces will end up paying a lot more in salaries, because why hang around? If you can play top rugby in Paris and get paid more, then why wouldn't you?

It is a shame in some ways we went down the province rather than club route, but it looks like it has worked out pretty well, despite regularly shitting the course in the RWC.
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Old 20-09-2019, 02:31 PM
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I think the 6 nations took the wind out of everyone's sails, with the England game the final nail in the coffin for Irish optimism.

In order to progress past the quarter finals, we'll have to beat one of the two best teams in the world, a year ago, we'd be confident, today, not so much.

As for overseas vs home, presumably you weren't following rugby in the 90s?

There was a point in the late 90s where it looked like the rugby teams was going to suffer the same fate as the soccer team, over a quarter of the 1999 RWC squad played outside Ireland, while the provinces were doing well, the clubs were hemorrhaging money (my club, Highfield were one of the worst, almost went bust).

The Celtic League solidified the provinces, giving them weekly top rugby, allowed central contracting. It allowed Ireland to be competitive with, albeit not quite topping, the English and French when it comes to pay.

Problem is, if they don't keep that unwritten rule about playing abroad in place, then the provinces will end up paying a lot more in salaries, because why hang around? If you can play top rugby in Paris and get paid more, then why wouldn't you?

It is a shame in some ways we went down the province rather than club route, but it looks like it has worked out pretty well, despite regularly shitting the course in the RWC.
The clubs almost went bust in the 90's because they were completely dependent on Sugar Daddy's paying the wages of a few select players, especially the Limerick clubs.

They had a much smaller playing pool of elite players in the 90's. My argument is that the IRFU could have a happy medium where players over the 30 yr old mark could play abroad and still be called upon for Ireland. Their places in the provincial set up could be taken by younger players exposing them to European Cup rugby and thus creating a greater pool of players.

This myth of players being flogged in France is baloney, Sexton would have been injured playing here as much too with his tackle technique. The French clubs have huge squads where they rest players and target games anyway.
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Old 20-09-2019, 02:31 PM
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The Unselected Ireland XV

15. Simon Zebo
14. Adam Byrne
13. Stuart McCloskey
12. Rory Scannell
11. Will Addison
10. Ross Byrne
9. John Cooney

1. Jack McGrath
2. Rob Herring
3. Finlay Bealham
4. Devin Toner
5. Donnacha Ryan
6. Jack O’Donoghue
7. Tommy O’Donnell
8. Jordi Murphy

Serious backline
Adam Byrne is struggling to get into the Leinster side FFS.
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Old 20-09-2019, 02:46 PM
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I am being critical in the sense that they don't seem to give a fcuk about the world cup.

Should it not be the ultimate goal of all rugby playing nations to achieve as much as they can from this tournament?

BTW, how many lads who have played overseas have retired in comparison to the players centrally contracted here?

Right.
You think the IRFU 'don't care' about the world cup?


Yeah, good man.
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Old 20-09-2019, 03:18 PM
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