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Old 15-10-2019, 04:44 PM
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An earlier programme said that when the IRA stole British intelligence papers they were shocked to see how many informers were among their ranks. So many that they just couldn't execute them all, the standard punishment for alleged touts.
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Old 15-10-2019, 08:42 PM
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Tonight's episode is unreal.
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Old 15-10-2019, 09:00 PM
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Great series!
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Old 16-10-2019, 12:01 PM
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Didn't he do something similar for the children that were killed in the 1916 Rising.

Lost Lives which gives a kind of pen-picture of each victim of the Troubles is a great reference book. It's expensive but a must for any student of the Troubles imho.
That's extremely interesting. Every victim? 3500 odd?

When you say pen-picture, what do you mean? Is it very intensive?
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Old 16-10-2019, 02:38 PM
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Tonight's episode is unreal.
I thought it was possibly the poorest of them so far to be honest. Didn't tell us anything that wasn't known apart from Nuala O'Loan saying that the LVF guy's first hand accusations against Jackson and Wright would have been enough for an investigating them. Olliver's name was out there as well, albeit she did confront him.

Anne Cadwallader's book had all the stuff about Jackson being identified by the wife of one of his victims, his fingerprints being found in a weapons cache, his being identified by a fellow loyalist killer etc and Jackson never being charged with serious crime. And it was widely believed he was involved in a lot more than the 50 murders referenced last night. Some even say his list of victims ran to three figures.

Even Wright was only imprisoned in the end for threatening a neighbour and the circumstances of his death within the prison could leave nobody in any doubt whatsoever but that it was a set up by the security forces who were tying off a loose end.

When MI5 and 6 are involved it all gets very murky.

Disappearance of evidence was widespread. Surprised they made no mention of one murder weapon that had disappeared from police custody subsequently turning up in a military museum in Britain.

Rotten to the core "but shur it was only micks killing one another"

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Old 16-10-2019, 02:43 PM
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That's extremely interesting. Every victim? 3500 odd?

When you say pen-picture, what do you mean? Is it very intensive?
Gives the date they were killed, whether or not they were involved in UDA/UFF/UVF/RUC/UDR/IRA etc. Where the death took place. And about a paragraph of the background of the person along the lines of

"David Murphy, single, aged 22, a painter by trade, was walking home alone along the Short Strand late on the night of October 1985 when struck by machine gun fire from a passing car. He was subsequently pronounced dead at the scene. Security forces said he was not involved in any paramilitary organisation and put his death down to purely sectarian motives. The car involved in the shooting incident was found subsequently burnt out in the loyalist Tigers Bay area"
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Old 16-10-2019, 03:05 PM
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Many people see the terrible events of march 1988 as a major turning
point, the gibraltar killings, the michael stone attack, the killing of the two soldiers at the funeral left us in a situation where civil war was seen as a possibility, I remember in the days after the gibraltar killings there was a discussion on today tonight where if i am right nora owen was aghast at the
idea of the bodies coming through Dublin, Neil Blaney put her firmly back in her
place,
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Old 16-10-2019, 04:26 PM
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Didn't he do something similar for the children that were killed in the 1916 Rising.

Lost Lives which gives a kind of pen-picture of each victim of the Troubles is a great reference book. It's expensive but a must for any student of the Troubles imho.
There is a film based on that book being shown this week at the London Film Festival
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Old 17-10-2019, 08:33 AM
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Ep 6



Grim episode.
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Old 17-10-2019, 08:54 AM
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Ep 6



Grim episode.
Alas it was all grim Jimmy, on every side.

Thankfully there's been peace the last 20 odd years and it would be an absolute tragedy if we were to ever go back there. That's why it's imperative that Brexit isn't allowed to undermine the GFA and normality of trading, and little by little of relations, on this island
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