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Old 26-06-2018, 12:36 PM
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VAR was supposed to be foolproof and it's not, so why the need? I think the late goal given to Spain last night would not have been given to some other countries., especially if they were playing against Spain/France/Brazil or the likes.
Of course it's not fool proof - the pictures are interpreted by humans, hence the introduction of human error. But the amount of human error is radically reduced when an official gets to see action at a slower speed than real time.

They brought in goal-line technology and it works, should that similarly be done away with?
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Old 26-06-2018, 12:52 PM
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Is this how we will see football in the future!

Well, what about the game?
There were a couple of great goals...
A missed penalty...
Two late equalisers...

And then there was VAR!
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Old 26-06-2018, 12:52 PM
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It doesn't improve the game. Football is a fluid sport it's more suited to slow stop start shite like rogby and american eggball.

Just develop some technology for offsides and leave the rest up to the ref. Goal line and offside technology would be enough.
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Old 26-06-2018, 02:50 PM
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Football is no more a fluid sport than Hurling or Rugby or even Gaelic Football. Technology is used in officiating in all of these.

Develop technology for offsides only??? So you DO want c**ts like Naymar to prosper. If his carry on happened in any other field sports his team-mates would be embarrassed but some here are trying to have diving rewarded.

Imagine the amount of players throwing themselves to the ground in the hope of getting a chance to score from the penalty spot. Worst case scenario they'd only be yellow carded - and many refs don't even do that.

Give over the "it'll make the game we love too stop-start" bull shit FFS. See how much time is spent by guys being substituted just slow-walking off the pitch; or how much time is spent celebrating a late goal in the hope of eating into the opponents chance of equalising; or guys taking the ball for a walk out to the corner flag to waste time; or guys delaying taking free-kicks, goal-kicks, or throw-ins to eat up some more time; or guys falling to the deck to roll about as though mortally wounded when all that happened was they were brushed against by an opponent in what purports to being a contact sport.

FFS that clown Neymar is lauded as a hero of the modern game and cost multimillions of pounds when he spends most of the game on the deck and complaining about some imaginary foul yet buffoons decry the possibility of stop-start nature that VAR might bring. It's hilarious how fans of bigger teams seem to think they've something now to lose should VAR level the playing pitch a little
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Old 26-06-2018, 03:10 PM
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Football is no more a fluid sport than Hurling or Rugby or even Gaelic Football. Technology is used in officiating in all of these.

Develop technology for offsides only??? So you DO want c**ts like Naymar to prosper. If his carry on happened in any other field sports his team-mates would be embarrassed but some here are trying to have diving rewarded.

Imagine the amount of players throwing themselves to the ground in the hope of getting a chance to score from the penalty spot. Worst case scenario they'd only be yellow carded - and many refs don't even do that.

Give over the "it'll make the game we love too stop-start" bull shit FFS. See how much time is spent by guys being substituted just slow-walking off the pitch; or how much time is spent celebrating a late goal in the hope of eating into the opponents chance of equalising; or guys taking the ball for a walk out to the corner flag to waste time; or guys delaying taking free-kicks, goal-kicks, or throw-ins to eat up some more time; or guys falling to the deck to roll about as though mortally wounded when all that happened was they were brushed against by an opponent in what purports to being a contact sport.

FFS that clown Neymar is lauded as a hero of the modern game and cost multimillions of pounds when he spends most of the game on the deck and complaining about some imaginary foul yet buffoons decry the possibility of stop-start nature that VAR might bring. It's hilarious how fans of bigger teams seem to think they've something now to lose should VAR level the playing pitch a little
You should have a lie down m8. You are incredibly rattled.

VAR won't stop diving. It adds nothing to the game and they can't even come to the correct decision with it.

Use technology for clear cut stuff likes goals and offsides and let the ref deal with the rest.
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Old 26-06-2018, 03:50 PM
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You should have a lie down m8. You are incredibly rattled.

VAR won't stop diving. It adds nothing to the game and they can't even come to the correct decision with it.

Use technology for clear cut stuff likes goals and offsides and let the ref deal with the rest.
Incredibly rattled?

Your suggestion that it adds nothing to the game despite catching Naymar out for his cheating and overturning a penalty is errant nonsense. There have been some incorrect decisions I grant you, but that's down to human error mis-interpreting what was seen on the screens, not the technology involved
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Old 26-06-2018, 04:52 PM
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For every Neymar there are about three or four non-handballs that are given as penalties. It can fuck off (in its current format anyway).
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Old 26-06-2018, 04:56 PM
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For every Neymar there are about three or four non-handballs that are given as penalties. It can fuck off (in its current format anyway).
Nobody saying it's perfect yet. But it needs to be given a chance rather than dismissed out of hand as some of the "stop start is ruining the beautiful game" clowns are suggesting. Anyone who's watched games live over the last 30+ years knows that the game is very different now to what it was and there are too many cheats prospering.

Hopefully VAR will have its wrinkles ironed out quickly and the cheats will prosper less
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Old 27-06-2018, 11:02 AM
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Right now it's just another tool to beat the ref with.

The players are starting to hound him whenever there is a sniff of a doubt about an incident.
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Old 27-06-2018, 11:28 AM
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Right now it's just another tool to beat the ref with.

The players are starting to hound him whenever there is a sniff of a doubt about an incident.
True. It's become an excuse for players to badger the ref as they've nothing to lose if he checks the VAR. Worst case scenario the refs original decision stands so they're being "rewarded" for barracking him.

As someone said, the World Cup finals is the wrong place to iron out the wrinkles in the system. This should have been done some time ago.

But one improvement imho would be that only the captain may approach the ref and ask for a check of the VAR. Any other player approaching the ref about it should be subjected to a yellow card.

In cricket the number of appeals a team can make is limited so the captain usually asks the players involved (bowler/WK/Fielder) if they're sure as they don't want to waste their appeals on something spurious and not be able to appeal something more concrete later.

Perhaps a max of one appeal per half per team would be a way to go, with the ref himself and assistants able to order one if they wish.

Certainly teething problems but it gets more right than wrong and it will improve
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