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Old 21-11-2017, 06:01 PM
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Dream on kid, that will be the day.
You just can't help yourself son
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Old 21-11-2017, 07:22 PM
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Gas is a fair summation of what you wrote right enough - you could also have used hot-air, nonsense, or babble
SF and the D.U.P. cannot even form a Government up North and have to have an election every 10 minutes as they cannot agree on anything.

We do not need that tribal mayhem or chaos down here really
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Old 22-11-2017, 12:36 AM
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Teresa May just handed SF/IRA their collective asses on a plate today. Since SF/IRA are refusing to negotiate with the DUP in the black North, she's now put out a consultation paper to provide that the British Security forces should be exempt from prosecution in Norn Iron up until the GFA.

Brilliant political maneuvering by Teresa in fairness.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Jarry. LOL
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Old 29-12-2017, 08:58 AM
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More questions for Adams to deal with :

State papers: Gerry Adams accused of 'setting up' IRA men for slaughter by SAS.

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Gerry Adams was rumoured to have set up a notorious IRA gang for ambush by the SAS as it tried to blow up a police station in May 1987, previously secret files reveal.

Eight members of the Provisionals' East Tyrone Brigade were shot dead after they loaded a 200lb bomb onto a stolen digger and smashed through the gates of the RUC barracks in Loughgall, Co Armagh.

British army special forces were lying in wait and killed them all, along with innocent bystander Anthony Hughes.

Declassified documents, released through the National Archives in Dublin, showed ballistic tests found that weapons discovered on the dead had been used in 40 to 50 murders, including every republican killing in Fermanagh and Tyrone in 1987.

Three civilian contractors had been murdered in the counties that year, along with officers in the RUC and British army's Ulster Defence Regiment.

The rumour about Mr Adams was passed on to Ireland's Department of Foreign Affairs by respected cleric Fr Denis Faul about three months after the Loughgall operation.

The priest, who had been at school in St Patrick's Academy, Dungannon, with Pádraig McKearney, one of the IRA gang, said the theory doing the rounds was that "the IRA team were set up by Gerry Adams himself".

Fr Faul said he was "intrigued" by the theory.

Mr Adams declined to comment on the contents of the file when contacted in recent days.

Fr Faul, a school teacher and chaplain in Long Kesh prison, said the rumour was that two of the gang - Jim Lynagh, a councillor in Monaghan, and McKearney - "had threatened to execute Adams shortly before the Loughgall event".

It was being claimed that Lynagh and McKearney "disliked Adams's political policy" and that they were leaning towards Republican Sinn Féin.

Three days after the operation, then-tánaiste and foreign affairs minister Brian Lenihan wrote to Northern Ireland secretary of state Tom King urging him to avoid triumphalism over the killings.

"We asked you through the secretariat to be mindful of the need to avoid any sense of triumphalism on the part of your authorities," Mr Lenihan said.

"It is necessary that sensitivity be shown in regard to the funerals which are now taking place, and that the investigation of the events should pay particular attention to the question of whether such a large number of casualties, including the civilian casualty, could have been avoided."

Mr King wrote back over a week later and revealed: "My advice is that [IRA] group had at least 40-50 murders to their score over the years."

Notes from briefings by the British government to Irish officials in London revealed the security forces claimed the IRA fired first; that the gun battle lasted two to three minutes; that the SAS fired "no more rounds than were necessary"; and that every IRA weapon had been fired.

Along with Lynagh and McKearney, the IRA gang included Gerard O'Callaghan (29), Tony Gormley (25), Eugene Kelly (25), Patrick Kelly (30), Seamus Donnelly (19), and Declan Arthurs (21).

The operation has long been associated with questions of an informer having tipped off the RUC and British army.

In the same file, Bishop of Clogher Joseph Duffy told a diplomat that Lynagh was a "madman" and was believed to have been responsible for 20 murders.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36443155.html
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Old 29-12-2017, 10:37 AM
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More questions for Adams to deal with :

State papers: Gerry Adams accused of 'setting up' IRA men for slaughter by SAS.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36443155.html
There are various rumours re loughgall, some say they were set up at a high level, some say it was a local informer, a woman from whose house the ira men made a phone call from was suspected, we will never know,
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Old 29-12-2017, 10:44 AM
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There are various rumours re loughgall, some say they were set up at a high level, some say it was a local informer, a woman from whose house the ira men made a phone call from was suspected, we will never know,
I brought this up a few times and was scoffed at by Munty. They were sacrificed so Adams could achieve his end goal. By bomb or by ballot box. They were surplus to requirements and had no faith in the political route. And just like Collins using British artillery to oust the antis at the 4 Courts, Adams used Hereford to silence the dissenters. It's war, it's politics.

And it wasn't just Loughgall. The Eskund is another eye brow raiser
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Old 29-12-2017, 11:00 AM
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I brought this up a few times and was scoffed at by Munty. They were sacrificed so Adams could achieve his end goal. By bomb or by ballot box. They were surplus to requirements and had no faith in the political route. And just like Collins using British artillery to oust the antis at the 4 Courts, Adams used Hereford to silence the dissenters. It's war, it's politics.

And it wasn't just Loughgall. The Eskund is another eye brow raiser
There was another theory that lynagh got careless and spoke to a monaghan based informer, or maybe it was just good intel work by the brits, similar to the arrest similar to the arrest of the crossmaglen sniper unit,
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Old 29-12-2017, 11:27 AM
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So Jarry used the SAS to save his own bacon by doing a bit of house cleaning for him.

I wonder who he got to terminate his lifelong friend, Denis Donaldson?
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Old 29-12-2017, 01:20 PM
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Brits won the war.

Riddled with informants from Loughall to Scappaticci, the SF/ IRA had nowhere to go until Slicky Willie and Phony Tony rode into town to give them a way to bow out and save face.
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Old 29-12-2017, 02:10 PM
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Slow news day, UVF writing to Haughey complaining about MI5, Adams setting up Loughgall quoting Denis Faul ''rumours'' YCNMIU
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