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Old 09-02-2018, 10:16 PM
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Is this the story?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...on-466855.html
75% of doctors support 12-week access to abortion

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The Irish Examiner today fairly and accurately reported the results of a survey in the Irish Medical Times assessing the level of support among doctors for unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks

In advance of publication, as is standard practice, the Irish Examiner spoke to the editor of the Medical Times and sought assurances about the survey methodology and accuracy of the results.

We also inquired if any supplementary and supporting questions were asked of the doctors, particularly in relation to the issue of conscientious objections.

Those assurances were given by the Irish Medical Times who acknowledged that a number of platforms were used to recruit and survey members of the medical professions.

It is not Irish Examiner policy to take down or remove stories from our website but rather to update the story as fresh information emerges.

To date, no fresh information has emerged from the Irish Medical Times about their latest survey on abortion attitudes. Any questions about their methodology should be directed to the Irish Medical Times.


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Three out of every four GPs and hospital consultants are in favour of allowing unrestricted access to abortion up to 12 weeks gestation, the most substantial survey of medics on the issue to date has found.

A poll of almost 400 doctors compiled as Health Minister Simon Harris confirmed doctors can conscientiously object to performing abortions if the referendum is passed has made the conclusion, underlining a strong medical support for a more liberal abortion regime.

The survey, to be published in tomorrow’s edition of Ireland’s longest-running medical trade newspaper the Irish Medical Times, asked all readers of the GP and consultant-focussed publication if they support or oppose the potential 12-week law due to be introduced if the Eighth Amendment is removed.

Out of 388 respondents, a total of 285, or 73%, said they are in favour of the divisive new rule, while 96, or 25%, said they are opposed, with just seven survey takers, or 2%, saying they have no view on the matter. While the poll did not include responses from all 2,500 GPs and a similar number of consultants in Ireland, it is the most substantial examination of doctors’ 12-week abortion views to date.

Irish Medical Times editor Lloyd Mudiwa said the results “would seem to suggest that at this point in time a significant majority of medical practitioners who participated in our poll support the recommendation of the committee, and that doctors aren’t necessarily more conservative than the general public, at least when it comes to this issue”.

The poll results emerged days after one of Ireland’s three GP representative groups, the National Association of General Practitioners, said some GPs may be opposed to performing abortions and hit out at the lack of consultation by the Department of Health with doctors on a potential new GP-led abortion service.

In response, Simon Harris told RTÉ Radio’s Morning Ireland on Tuesday that GPs will be able to conscientiously object to performing abortions based on their personal views — but must provide a list of other nearby doctors who will perform the procedure if they do so.


The conscientious objection issue came into stark Dáil focus yesterday, with Solidarity-People Before Profit TD Ruth Coppinger telling Taoiseach Leo Varadkar about a woman called ‘Sarah’ who rang Cork’s Red FM earlier this week to speak about how she was raped and later refused the morning after pill.

Mr Varadkar responded by saying ‘Sarah’ “should make a complaint to the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland” over what happened and said the committee did not pluck the 12-week rule “out of the air”, adding “it makes sense”.

Meanwhile, HSE director general Tony O’Brien has written to Sinn Féin health spokeswoman Louise O’Reilly to confirm the HSE will remain impartial during the referendum after one senior doctor sent a letter on HSE-headed note paper to TDs warning against liberalising Ireland’s abortion laws.

As reported in yesterday’s Irish Examiner, a senior member of the HSE’s child adolescent and mental health services in North Dublin wrote to TDs recently saying legalising abortion will “bring with it a multitude of harmful effects on all concerned” before making a series of unsubstantiated claims.

In a formal letter responding to Ms O’Reilly — one of the TDs who got the correspondence — last night, Mr O’Brien said what happened was “wholly unacceptable”, that he has told the official to “cease and desist”, and stressed the HSE “will remain completely impartial”.

A large Pro-Life Campaign poster saying abortion is akin to child abuse placed outside Leinster House yesterday was also last night heavily criticised by Social Democrats political director Anne Marie McNally, who said she has complained to gardaí over the image as it is making people “walk past a huge banner depicting the bloodied and bruised face of a child”.
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:05 PM
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93 votes on Twitter

https://twitter.com/IMT_latest/statu...98931639808001


245 votes on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/IrishMedica...35939343128217


That's 338 out of 388 responses.

No verification that anyone who voted was a doctor or even a medical professional.
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:14 AM
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Nice review of Thursday's events.

http://burkeanjournal.com/the-irish-...-fit-to-print/
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:19 AM
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Does anybody else think that there's a much higher than 29% chance that the 8th will be kept?

This is good old Ireland afterall. I know we let the Gays have their day but, I think this could be very different.
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:31 AM
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Does anybody else think that there's a much higher than 29% chance that the 8th will be kept?

This is good old Ireland afterall. I know we let the Gays have their day but, I think this could be very different.
I do Dan. I'd say it's closer to 50/50. Just a personal hunch, based on experience of our culture I suppose. You can be sure the rosary beads will be out in force.
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:34 AM
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I do Dan. I'd say it's closer to 50/50. Just a personal hunch, based on experience of our culture I suppose. You can be sure the rosary beads will be out in force.
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..You may very will be right D.T. What is certain if not now then very soon, if nothing else maybe those talking down the option at least because of some Religious hardline(s) spewed from RCC pulpits and indeed other 'Christian' bodies are more likely to invoke a quiet rebellion through the ballot box, nobody quite still holds such sway as the RCC despite the glaring hypocricy...would be grand to think people can and will make their own mind up on the vote and thereafter the naysayers from the 'Church'...They have long been throwing rocks in the way of social and domestic progress while contaminating society with their grim hypocritic cultish abuse(s).

...probably shouldn't show my hand too much on personal my ante-abortion views while at one and the same time respect the option of choice. I.... think 12 weeks is almost acceptable to me in circumstances...have long been opposed to UK thumb-rule of 223-24 weeks, far from it, given new-born babies at this stage owing to discoveries/developement now can be expected to live moreover without the previous maladies associated....guess they give a fuck what I think.
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:50 AM
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It's far too early to call it in all fairness. I hope folks will see through the disgraceful attempts to tar all those on the prolife side as religious fanatics, that won't wash with the plain people of Ireland.
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:57 AM
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I do Dan. I'd say it's closer to 50/50. Just a personal hunch, based on experience of our culture I suppose. You can be sure the rosary beads will be out in force.
I wouldn't even go that far. I'd say there are plenty of people, who would ordinarily be liberal about various subjects, who would be uncomfortable with abortion.
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Old 10-02-2018, 01:02 AM
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It's far too early to call it in all fairness. I hope folks will see through the disgraceful attempts to tar all those on the prolife side as religious fanatics, that won't wash with the plain people of Ireland.
...there are a great many plain people in Ireland Rox, your assumption that 'plain' people are agin abortion is at one and the same time(s) amusing and disturbingly patronising'....

...you can be 'plain' I certainly am and ante-abortion but don't feel the need to halt anyone having that option, have enough troubles of our/my own to deal with far less dictate to people who may well be in even greater struggle...

Those who object are NOT tarred with any stick whatsoever except by such as you have tarred, what is disgraceful of pointing out reality that people are led by the nose by their Religion?

NOBODY will be forced to have babies aborted...what is disgusting is that an individual's choice is hundred and indeed halted unless they head to a more enlightened country at their own personal risk and expense to appease do judgemental dullards..? eh.
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Old 10-02-2018, 01:11 AM
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...there are a great many plain people in Ireland Rox, your assumption that 'plain' people are agin abortion is at one and the same time(s) amusing and disturbingly patronising'....

...you can be 'plain' I certainly am and ante-abortion but don't feel the need to halt anyone having that option, have enough troubles of our/my own to deal with far less dictate to people who may well be in even greater struggle...

Those who object are NOT tarred with any stick whatsoever except by such as you have tarred, what is disgraceful of pointing out reality that people are led by the nose by their Religion?

NOBODY will be forced to have babies aborted...what is disgusting is that an individual's choice is hundred and indeed halted unless they head to a more enlightened country at their own personal risk and expense to appease do judgemental dullards..? eh.
There are people who are not religious here in this country who are uneasy regarding the 12 weeks aspect of the legislation which may come into place if the repeal side wins but there's a long way to go yet. I'd expect a strong yes vote in Dublin and that may carry them over the line, I think that's what happened with the divorce referendum.
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