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northmallexile
05-03-2007, 12:48 PM
From today's Times:

Barry Roche, Southern Correspondent
The new Cork county manager has expressed concern that proposals by Cork City Council to seek a boundary extension into county council territory could end up distracting both local authorities from facilitating development in the region.

Martin O'Riordan, who has taken over from Maurice Moloney as county manager, said yesterday he was aware of the city council's proposal to widen its boundaries and acquire land around the city currently under Cork County Council control.

"I have looked at the document that they have given us on the boundary proposal," Mr O'Riordan said. "It's very centred on the city view of life and Cork has been very successful in selling Cork as a region such as in the Cork area strategic plan.

"The danger, I suppose, is that where there's a boundary issue, all the energy and time goes into that issue rather than bigger issues such as how does the city move ahead with projects like the docklands, how we can assist them in terms of moving the port?"

Under the plan proposed by Cork city manager Joe Gavin and backed by the city council in November, the city council is seeking to expand its land area by some 400 per cent which would result in a 50 per cent increase in the population in its jurisdiction.

It hopes to acquire parts of Douglas, Togher and Bishopstown currently under county council control on the southern side of the city and Kerry Pike, Killeens, Monard, Rathpeacon and Rathcooney to the north.

The city council boundary extension plan would also see areas to the east such as Glanmire, Riverstown, Glounthaune and Little Island all incorporated into the city and its land area would quadruple from 3,961 hectares to 18,170 hectares.

However, the proposal provoked a furious response last year from county councillors who said that the south Cork division which surrounds Cork city is a major source of county council income as it is home to many of the region's main industries.

Mr O'Riordan stressed the need to take a broader view of development in the region and not focus solely on moving the city boundary. He pointed to the areas where both councils had co- operated closely to assist development. They had worked together on housing and retail strategies and shared waste-management strategy and a fire service.

northmallexile
05-03-2007, 12:50 PM
Surely, whatever about related issues, it's fairly ridiculous not to have Douglas, Togher & Bishopstown within the city boundaries? Wouldn't be so sure about Glanmire, mind.

jungle
06-03-2007, 11:02 AM
However, the proposal provoked a furious response last year from county councillors who said that the south Cork division which surrounds Cork city is a major source of county council income as it is home to many of the region's main industries.

And this is one of the problems. The county council is terrified of losing rates.

Unfortunately, their policy of treating the city extensions like s**t is untenable. The state of the main street in Douglas is a disgrace when you compare it to what has been done in Blackpool. The County Council has been quite happy to raise money in these areas and spend it elsewhere in the county.

I agree that areas like Glanmire should be included. The areas that the city will expand into have to be included. The county council has a recent recoed of approving planning for developments without putting in the back-up infrastructure. Possibly, a reason for this has been the suspicion that these areas will be transferred to the city and they won't be left with the problems. The City Council needs control over where the city will develop, not just where it is now.

Some of the boundaries do look a bit far out - particularly on the northside, but I would imagine that's part of a bargaining process. Cit management know that the full requested extension won't be approved, so they ask for more than they need.

Some user
12-03-2007, 08:57 PM
It should be an on-going process whereby development close to the city is always slapped on to the city council. Surely the government can mediate and compensate where necessary rather have this silly never ending tug of war.

markinmanc
13-03-2007, 11:10 AM
I'd imagine the city is losing out - most of the industry is outside the city boundary I'd wager.

Obviously the chance of the councils getting together to have some kind of greater Cork metropolitan council is fairly remote.

Is it any suprise Cork gets shafted in relation to transport, infractructure etc.

These people should be looking at the fact Docklands railway station opened so quickly when there's no sign of Cork's urban rail network being even having a start date to upgrade.

Who elects these wa*kers in - oh that's right, Cork people.

jungle
13-03-2007, 01:46 PM
What's shocking is the number of people out Rochestown direction who think there is some cachet to be gained from living in the county.

Seriously, they should take a walk into town and try to guess where the city limits are. If they don't know, I can give them a hint... It's the place where the footpaths improve, where pedestrians are able to cross the road, where the traffic junctions aren't permanently snarled up...

mepper
13-03-2007, 01:48 PM
City limits? is'nt that up in coburg st?

KolaKubes
13-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Oho, Cork City Council were very keen to put the Material Recovery Facility and the new dump far away from them though. I'd have left them expand the boundaries if they'd been willing to include sites for both within their territory.

Works both ways City Slickers.

shammy feen
13-03-2007, 03:57 PM
City limits? is'nt that up in coburg st?

Yes, They are extending in to the Ashley Hotel....Grab-a-Granny is being incorporated in to the City Development plan...

Some user
16-03-2007, 01:31 AM
Thats weird I wonder if the city limits actually passed through City Limits? Must be from years and years ago.