Park

[POL]

bought purely to sell kits in the Korean market

Discuss.

[Lamps]

bought purely to sell kits in the Korean market

Discuss.

gan dabt.

One thing you could never say about United is that they'd miss a marketting opertunity. The original and best.

[Up For The Ba]

Yup, and Peter Crouch was bought to sell Liverpools surplus of XXXL kits.

[Langer Dan]

bought purely to sell kits in the Korean market

Discuss.

Ah he looked a handy enough player in PSV's run to the semis in europe two years ago but his performances have looked less than stellar this season.

Hes a tryer but his finishing is godawful.

[Lamps]

Ah he looked a handy enough player in PSV's run to the semis in europe two years ago but his performances have looked less than stellar this season.

Hes a tryer but his finishing is godawful.

A better manager like Wenger would have spotted that.

[Langer Dan]

A better manager like Wenger would have spotted that.

Ah you never know, one or two pieces of luck and his season could change.

[Actin The Sham]

bought purely to sell kits in the Korean market

Discuss.



I wish to FAWK there was a business forum.

[POL]

I wish to FAWK there was a business forum.you are right, soccer is a disgusting business

[Lamps]

I wish to FAWK there was a business forum.

yeah you'd love that you faux laissez faire loving plutocrat.

luckily the ordinary joe of the SFI can sport a fraud like you at 50 paces

[st finnbar]

bought purely to sell kits in the Korean market

Discuss.
ok and fowler was not brought back to the pool to sell god shirts etc etc

well he was not brought back for his goal scoring form :D :D

[Edmund Blackwater]

bought purely to sell kits in the Korean market

Discuss.
Between him and dingDong, they've cornered the market in selling shirts back to the people who made them.

[Lamps]

Between him and dingDong, they've cornered the market in selling shirts back to the people who made them.

I hereby christen him Dung

[Actin The Sham]

yeah you'd love that you faux laissez faire loving plutocrat.

luckily the ordinary joe of the SFI can sport a fraud like you at 50 paces




I wish to FAWK there was a sports forum.

[toffeebhoy]

I live in Korea and I don't think I've ever seen a Man United jersey with Park on the back-I don't doubt that there are some, I've just never seen one. In fact, I seldom see people wearing soccer jerseys that aren't the national team one here. They seem to prefer pink short sleeved shirts with red ties, or wearing matching t-shirts with their girlfriends. The pooves.

[POL]

I think the only reason Dung was playing yesterday was to attempt to boost flagging shirt sales in Asia, they saw this as an easy enough tie and could risk playing a crap player like Dung and get away with it, whilst at the same time ensuring that a lot of people in Korea would tune into the game

[toffeebhoy]

Haha, Dung is actually the Korean for 'shit'.

[Coin]

I think the only reason Dung was playing yesterday was to attempt to boost flagging shirt sales in Asia
Thats like saying that the Dallas Cowboys would sign a Frenchman to sell shirts in "Europe".

[STEVIEG]

I think the only reason Dung was playing yesterday was to attempt to boost flagging shirt sales in Asia, they saw this as an easy enough tie and could risk playing a crap player like Dung and get away with it, whilst at the same time ensuring that a lot of people in Korea would tune into the game

If you had an iota of a clue you would recognised that the "Dung" being referred to is actually United's Chinese player Dong, not Park (who is Korean)

[RonnyB]

A better manager like Wenger would have spotted that.

Thats why he signed his own woeful finisher in Hleb is it?

Still though no one is worse than Park when trying to shoot.

[STEVIEG]

A better manager like Wenger would have spotted that.

What did Wenger spot this day i wonder.............

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yoyz_moXkek

[Rebelred]

I live in Korea and I don't think I've ever seen a Man United jersey with Park on the back-I don't doubt that there are some, I've just never seen one. In fact, I seldom see people wearing soccer jerseys that aren't the national team one here. They seem to prefer pink short sleeved shirts with red ties, or wearing matching t-shirts with their girlfriends. The pooves.

easy now toffeebhoy, you can't be coming on here stating the truth like that ;-)

In truth though, Park is a good player, with endless energy. The biggest problem he's had is he's never been given a run in the side to establish himself. It took him 2 years before he started producing the goods in Holland, but Hiddink always kept faith in him. When he left, he had produced 2 superb performances against Milan when PSV were very unlucky not to win the tie.
Plus, the fact that United get a fixed sum from Nike every year, regardless of sales, makes the shirt selling argument pointless really.

[Edmund Blackwater]

easy now toffeebhoy, you can't be coming on here stating the truth like that ;-)

In truth though, Park is a good player, with endless energy. The biggest problem he's had is he's never been given a run in the side to establish himself. It took him 2 years before he started producing the goods in Holland, but Hiddink always kept faith in him. When he left, he had produced 2 superb performances against Milan when PSV were very unlucky not to win the tie.
Plus, the fact that United get a fixed sum from Nike every year, regardless of sales, makes the shirt selling argument pointless really.
Singlehandedly to blame for PSV losing to Milan in the chamos league semis in his last year in Holland.
He missed an open goal, 3 fantastic cjances and failed to play Beasley (I think) in for a tap-in.
Needs to improve and quickly.

[STEVIEG]

Good squad player

Very useful yesterday scored one and made one while Giggs got a good rest

[STEVIEG]

Yeah, noones saying he is the best in the world or anything but he is handy to have

Never complains just gets on with it

Hiddink and Fergie are two good judges of a player and i can see why they rate him

[STEVIEG]

a but like urself and myself stevie...that game today would of been shit without us :)

I was shit you were good

I think i'm gonna go and play in L.A. or something :(

[STEVIEG]

It's in the early stages of negotiations it's with the lawyers at the moment

[STEVIEG]

Heh heh:)

[ho chi feen]

Ji-Sung Park, wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country,
but it could be worse, you could be Scouse,
eating rats in your council house


*cue patented feigned moral outrage á la 'Why I never, ho chi!' from you know who.*

[Rebelred]

Yeah, noones saying he is the best in the world or anything but he is handy to have

Never complains just gets on with it

Hiddink and Fergie are two good judges of a player and i can see why they rate him

that's true. He played well on saturday again allowing Fergie to give Giggs a much needed rest

[STEVIEG]

4 goals in 3 starts

Who are the better judges of players do ye reckon?

Hiddink and Fergie or Fuckwater and Pol?

[Rebelred]

great stuff by Park today, another crucial helping hand to our title cause

[Philby]

4 goals in 3 starts

....and 9 sub appearances.

Who are the better judges of players do ye reckon?

Hiddink and Fergie or Fuckwater and Pol?

Park is a game player who will run all day for you & get involved. His technique, awareness and decision-making are not of the level required to be a Manchester United first-team player imho. It'll take more than a couple of tap-ins for me to change my opinion of him.

[STEVIEG]

In his LAST 3 starts he has got 4 goals



He has played really well for United when required

"Tap-ins" are counted as goals, and some teams would kill for the amount of league golas United are getting at the moment....

[Philby]

In his LAST 3 starts he has got 4 goals

And in the 9 additional appearances he made he failed to score. Just giving everyone the full picture

He has played really well for United when required

"Tap-ins" are counted as goals, and some teams would kill for the amount of league golas United are getting at the moment....

Totally agree. They all count & are all welcome but my point is that I've seen nothing from Park (including his 2 goals y'day) to make me believe that he's Utd class. Useful squad player to run around & link up play but nothing more than that imho.

[RonnyB]

And in the 9 additional appearances he made he failed to score. Just giving everyone the full picture



Totally agree. They all count & are all welcome but my point is that I've seen nothing from Park (including his 2 goals y'day) to make me believe that he's Utd class. Useful squad player to run around & link up play but nothing more than that imho.

I'd rather have him in the squad than Jermaine Pennant any day of the week.

[Philby]

No need for this to turn into another Liverpool V United debate. For what it's worth though I think Pennant has far more ability than Park & has been in good form in the last 2 months for Liverpool when he's been given a chance (but as he's been deemed a low ambition signing by some that'll conveniently be ignored to a large extent)

[RonnyB]

But Park was never going to be a signing who would be a mainstay in the United team. When he was signed even Giggs was being left out cos of the stupid 4-5-1 system. As a squad player Park does a more than decent job.

[Philby]

I'd agree, as a squad player to be called on for less important games or when injuries start mounting up then he'd do a job for ya. The crux of my point is that he's not Utd first-team material imho although there seems to be a body of opinion among utd fans that he is (see below)

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=659 65&highlight=park

[Langer Dan]

I'd rather have him in the squad than Jermaine Pennant any day of the week.

amen brother.

as for John O shea:lol!:

[jimmy magee]

Agree with a few above..Park is a handy player to bring on after 60mins..1)he'll run his socks off,2) he's not a pretentious money grabbing cunt who's too big for his boots(definition:Ibr ahimovic).3) He's a signing to boost Utd interest in the Far East.
Respect to him!

[jimmy magee]

I'd rather have him in the squad than Jermaine Pennant any day of the week.


Pennant might not be setting the world on fire. But he's an out and out winger(few and far between these days). Obviously Benitez sees the value of the winger hence pennant, gonzalez.

. Pennant delivers crosses well and he can only get better

Id take him over Park no worries.

[ho chi feen]

I'd agree, as a squad player to be called on for less important games or when injuries start mounting up then he'd do a job for ya. The crux of my point is that he's not Utd first-team material imho although there seems to be a body of opinion among utd fans that he is (see below)

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=659 65&highlight=park

Philby, the issue was whether Park should be in the team at that time ahead of Richardson and Fletcher- you should know well enough that no United fan on here wants the rickety legged Scot or that other chump to be in the first XI.

[Philby]

So would you agree that Park is only a viable option when Utd have significant injury problems or against the really poor sides in league & cup competition?

[KolaKubes]

The only problem with Park is his lack of goal scoring.

How's Pennant getting on in that respect?

[ho chi feen]

So would you agree that Park is only a viable option when Utd have significant injury problems or against the really poor sides in league & cup competition?

If you take the context of the thread, this was at a time when Fletcher was considered a first XI player, and Richardson was getting plenty of games too. No way should either of them be getting games ahead of Park out wide or in attacking roles.

As for your question? Ronaldo and Giggs are our first choice wide players, with Rooney available to slot in if need be. Next in the pecking order would be Park. For a central berth I'd probably prefer Fletcher as back-up.

Park is a squad player, capable of stepping in and doing a job. Now, Liverpool are big on rotation, so the term squad player there could mean somebody who plays 50, maybe even 60% of matches. United have a much clearer idea of a first XI for any given match- with a core of maybe 8 players who should always start unless they need a rest. Beyond that, you have the likes of, say, Heinze who's capable of playing a lot of games if need be, and at the other end of the spectrum, the Parks, Fletchers and Solskjaers of this world who are there to step in the absence of established first XI player, as opposed to strict rotation.

Simple enough, no?

As a squad player, I'm happy to have the likes of Park to call on. Hopefully next season (particularly in the middle of the field) we'll have even better options in the mix.

[jimmy magee]

The only problem with Park is his lack of goal scoring.

How's Pennant getting on in that respect?

Pennant isn't insructed to get into goalscoring positions...he's an out and out winger who's job is to whip the ball in..something he's pretty good at. He came on for the last ten minutes against Villa and got about five crosses in.

Park is alright though. He does what's expected of him. Shur he usually comes on when they're winning anyway...

[STEVIEG]

5 pages on a squad player

Now that's what i call box office
Maybe he was bought to boost the PROC sports forum

[RonnyB]

Pennant isn't insructed to get into goalscoring positions...he's an out and out winger who's job is to whip the ball in..something he's pretty good at. He came on for the last ten minutes against Villa and got about five crosses in.

Park is alright though. He does what's expected of him. Shur he usually comes on when they're winning anyway...

Good wingers have always scored goals. From a United point of view Giggs, Kanchelskis, Sharpe, Beckham, Ronaldo have all scored their share of goals. Overmars did it for Arsenal to great effect in 98. Pires as well but he seemed to roam the field a bit more.

As for getting crosses in even Kieran Richardson can do that. Do you ever wonder why Gerrard is played on the right wing?

[jimmy magee]

Good wingers have always scored goals. From a United point of view Giggs, Kanchelskis, Sharpe, Beckham, Ronaldo have all scored their share of goals. Overmars did it for Arsenal to great effect in 98. Pires as well but he seemed to roam the field a bit more.

As for getting crosses in even Kieran Richardson can do that. Do you ever wonder why Gerrard is played on the right wing?

Yeah but its not their primary job, its a bonus. Wingers are for stretching the play and crossing the ball. Everything else is secondplace.

Gerrard plays on the right cos he has to be fitted in somewhere.

[STEVIEG]

I really can't understand why we have a 6 page thread on a United squad player who ACTUALLY DOES score goals and has been very good when required, when Cesc Fabregas, a player we all admit is one of the best young players around, hasn't scored a goal in the Premiership for his struggling side ALL SEASON

[RonnyB]

Gerrard plays on the right cos he has to be fitted in somewhere.

And there is Liverpool's problem. If you have to fit in a player like Gerrard into your team then I think you have 2 options.

1. Sell him, make millions & improve the squad.

2. Play him in his best position & get a quality winger to cover the job he's already doing. If Liverpool had one of these then I've no doubt Stevie G would be in the centre (that being the scouse one not the RedFM DJ)

I've seen a good bit of Liverpool's games this season & Pennant has'nt impressed at all (barring a stunning goal that I was thrilled about considering the team it was against). 5 crosses on sunday, how many found a Liverpool head?

[Forsberg]

Pennant might not be setting the world on fire. But he's an out and out winger(few and far between these days). Obviously Benitez sees the value of the winger hence pennant, gonzalez.

. Pennant delivers crosses well and he can only get better

Id take him over Park no worries.

You have some nerve mocking me about rating Steven Taylor when you defend that useless sack of shit Pennant


That is all

[Philby]

I really can't understand why we have a 6 page thread on a United squad player who ACTUALLY DOES score goals and has been very good when required, when Cesc Fabregas, a player we all admit is one of the best young players around, hasn't scored a goal in the Premiership for his struggling side ALL SEASON

Feckin hell that's a good stat..didn't realise that at all. Shocked that he hasn't got off the mark in the Premiership considering his undoubted ability & industrious nature. Great call. Admittedly a fabulous player who has still had an impressive season imho

And there is Liverpool's problem. If you have to fit in a player like Gerrard into your team then I think you have 2 options.

1. Sell him, make millions & improve the squad.

2. Play him in his best position & get a quality winger to cover the job he's already doing. If Liverpool had one of these then I've no doubt Stevie G would be in the centre (that being the scouse one not the RedFM DJ)

Selling Gerrard to add proven quality elsewhere in the squad would've been a bitter pill to swallow a few years ago but just might've been in the best interests of the team long-term (no-one can really know though, perhaps the loss of such a talismanic figure could rock the club as much from a morale point of view as a quality point of view).

With the recent acquisition from our two yankee buddies you'd like to think that Liverpool will have the financial muscle to compete on a level playing field in the transfer market without making significant sales.

I'd agree that if Liverpool had proven quality wingers in the squad that Gerrard would be played in the centre. Playing people out of position is an action that comes purely from necessity. Most fans would find it tough to stomach quality like Mascherano & Sissoko (for example) on the bench when lesser players are getting more of a run-out.

As it stands Gerrard is adaptable enough to be very effective (not as a traditional style winger) on the right of midfield and in my mind it is the best position for him until we have a top rate winger to occupy the position. Rafa has given him licence to roam and by and large his foray to right midfield has been a success (despite what the English national team-obsessed press will have you believe).

I think the future for Liverpool lies in recruiting top class options out wide (and also up front & at left back) and making use of the quality centre midfielders in innovative formations tailored to the opposition, something which Benitez specialises in.

I've seen a good bit of Liverpool's games this season & Pennant has'nt impressed at all (barring a stunning goal that I was thrilled about considering the team it was against). 5 crosses on sunday, how many found a Liverpool head?

[Philby]

You have some nerve mocking me about rating Steven Taylor when you defend that useless sack of shit Pennant


That is all


My view of Pennant:

Ability - Well above average

Attitude - Generally always works hard but loses the plot at times

End Product - Patchy

Usefulness in the squad as a genuine wide option - High

Long Term Future at Liverpool - Very rocky

Spelling - Woeful

Most appropriate stage in Evolution of man - Neanderthal

[Forsberg]

My view of Pennant:

Ability - Well above average

Attitude - Generally always works hard but loses the plot at times

End Product - Patchy

Usefulness in the squad as a genuine wide option - High

Long Term Future at Liverpool - Very rocky

Spelling - Woeful

Most appropriate stage in Evolution of man - Neanderthal

heh heh

In more simple terms I just think he was a poor signing that hasn't really enhanced Liverpool in any obvious way.

He's a good player but he has his limits. For example I think he'd be excellent at Everton or any team pushinfg for a Uefa cup place for that matter

[ho chi feen]

And there is Liverpool's problem. If you have to fit in a player like Gerrard into your team then I think you have 2 options.

1. Sell him, make millions & improve the squad.

2. Play him in his best position & get a quality winger to cover the job he's already doing. If Liverpool had one of these then I've no doubt Stevie G would be in the centre (that being the scouse one not the RedFM DJ)

I've seen a good bit of Liverpool's games this season & Pennant has'nt impressed at all (barring a stunning goal that I was thrilled about considering the team it was against). 5 crosses on sunday, how many found a Liverpool head?

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuudas!

[jimmy magee]

I think the future for Liverpool lies in recruiting top class options out wide (and also up front & at left back) and making use of the quality centre midfielders in innovative formations tailored to the opposition, something which Benitez specialises in.

fact.. I know it hasn't worked before in the premiershp but i reckon a 3-5-2 would suit the 'pool.
In the middle Gerrard to do what he does..Mascerchano/Alonso(intelligent keeper of possesion)...and sissoko type(dominant ball winner). This three type of players in my opinion would be capable of mid field duties as.
Then out and out attacking wingers who hug the touchline therefore stretch the opposition. Pennant is this type and will get better if played.

Upfront for me They're not that far off. Kuyt is a grafter who plays with his back to goal..a link to the mid he is. Bellamy is always going be pegging the opposite direction to Kuyt, streaming onto ball through balls etc. This is the type they need but i dont think Bellamy's fully up to it.

for the pool, a new left winger, a new pacy striker, maybe a new ball winner.

[RonnyB]

fact.. I know it hasn't worked before in the premiershp but i reckon a 3-5-2 would suit the 'pool.
In the middle Gerrard to do what he does..Mascerchano/Alonso(intelligent keeper of possesion)...and sissoko type(dominant ball winner). This three type of players in my opinion would be capable of mid field duties as.
Then out and out attacking wingers who hug the touchline therefore stretch the opposition. Pennant is this type and will get better if played.

Upfront for me They're not that far off. Kuyt is a grafter who plays with his back to goal..a link to the mid he is. Bellamy is always going be pegging the opposite direction to Kuyt, streaming onto ball through balls etc. This is the type they need but i dont think Bellamy's fully up to it.

for the pool, a new left winger, a new pacy striker, maybe a new ball winner.

a new ball winner???????????

The team on top of the league have none, and the pool have 2 now & you think they need another??

[jimmy magee]

a new ball winner???????????

The team on top of the league have none, and the pool have 2 now & you think they need another??

for a 3-5-2 i have proposed. yes a dominant presence/ball winner is essential if one is to crowd the midfield and give wingers free licence.

Sissoko has the potential for this but he's just so dreadful on the ball

[ho chi feen]

for a 3-5-2 i have proposed. yes a dominant presence/ball winner is essential if one is to crowd the midfield and give wingers free licence.

Sissoko has the potential for this but he's just so dreadful on the ball

3-5-2?

Retrotastic!

http://hem.passagen.se/bully/Roy_Evans2.jpg

[RonnyB]

for a 3-5-2 i have proposed. yes a dominant presence/ball winner is essential if one is to crowd the midfield and give wingers free licence.

Sissoko has the potential for this but he's just so dreadful on the ball

You must be mad to get rid of him. One dodgy spell shouldnt underline his career. Add in Mascherano and its enough..

[Forsberg]

3-5-2?

Retrotastic!

http://hem.passagen.se/bully/Roy_Evans2.jpg

Rumour has it that Stig Inge Bjornebye will come out of retirement to play a key role

[Philby]

Rafa has played 3 at the back a few times to good effect but I'm not convinced we have the strength in depth at the back to pull it off. Carra and Agger could adapt with ease but who would the third defender be? You could put Finnan in there but then you're potentially highlighting his main weakness, his aerial ability.

I take your point about a compact 3 in midfield being a useful way to incorporate the 4 quality centre-midfielders currently at the club. Alonso & Mascherano are better suited to sitting deep and controlling play, Gerrard to bombing on and supporting the attack and Sissoko with running around like a madman flying into anything even resembling a 50-50. With the right personnell around them it could well work.

If you play 3 central defenders at the back then they all need to be mobile & good on the ball - this was one of the reasons it failed at Liverpool under Evans. Ruddock was frequently caught in dangerous positions out wide and didn't have the pace to cope against nippy attackers when isolated. If I was Rafa I'd steer of playing this formation too often unless suitable additional defenders join the squad.

[ho chi feen]

Scored a tap in and created solskjaer's goal on Saturday.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Scored a tap in and created solskjaer's goal on Saturday.
I don't think he'll be troubling the manyoo appearances record, all the same.

[STEVIEG]

Another other good performance by him

The facts say that he is scoring and making goals in every game he plays

A good squad player is turning into an excellent squad player

[STEVIEG]

Did well today

Deserves a place in the squad for Rome


Fergie got it right

[rebelgirl83]

Jeez you're digging up a fierce old one here :)

He had a great game to be fair. And he deffo deserved a start after his goal at Boro on Saturday. That was a great pass for Rooney in the build up to the 3rd goal and his own finish was none too shabby to get the party started.

[legend76]

epic bumping there Stevie

[POLL]

Park, Park
Wherever you may be
You eat dogs in your country !
Could be worse
(COULD BE SCOUSE)
Eating rats in the COUNCIL HOUSE !!