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Philby
05-01-2007, 01:08 AM
Liverpool are talking a good game ahead of the match but, despite a few notable Arsenal absentees, it'll still be a tough battle against an opponent who Liverpool don't have a particularly great record against.


GERRARD READY TO REPEL GUNNERS

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Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard (http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_1814688 ,00.html#) is approaching Saturday's FA Cup clash with Arsenal with a great deal of confidence.
Rafael Benitez's side have not been beaten at Anfield since the 2-0 defeat to Benfica on March 8, which knocked them out of the Champions League.
That is a run of 20 matches and, so far this season, they have won 14 and drawn two of their home games in all competitions.
So even though Liverpool face one of the toughest tests in a repeat of the 2001 final - which Michael Owen won for the Merseysiders with two late goals - Gerrard is buoyant.
"The draw could have been kinder, but the important thing is we are at home," the England midfielder told the club's website.
"They will be fearing the tie more than we will. They are a top side with top players and we know it's going to be a very difficult game.
"But we have proved we can beat anybody at Anfield and I'm sure it's going to be a terrific match this weekend. We are certainly all looking forward to it.
"We have got a really strong squad, we are playing well at the moment and I fancy us to be in the draw for the fourth round."
Benitez's confidence in his team is also growing after six wins in seven Premiership matches from the start of December.
"As a manager of a team that has a good balance between attack and defence, I am very happy with the consistency of the team, the chances we are creating, the good football we are playing and also the clean sheets," said the Spaniard.
"I think it will be a good month for us."
Spain midfielder Xabi Alonso, who has dismissed speculation linking him with a return to his homeland, added: on the club's website: "Liverpool are playing to our best level of the season.
"This is perfect for the beginning of the year with the next big challenges. To get to third place (in the Premiership) is very important for morale for us after the problems in the first months of the league."




http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_1814688 ,00.html

st finnbar
05-01-2007, 01:39 AM
class to show in the end, pool 0 gunners 2, henry , van persie

Jim Comic
06-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Jerzy Dudek will keep goal for Liverpool as they start their defence of the FA Cup against Arsenal in today's Third Round clash at Anfield.
Pepe Reina drops to the bench to make way for Dudek; and Gunners boss Arsene Wenger has rotated his goalkeepers as well, with Almunia replacing Lehmann.

Peter Crouch and Dirk Kuyt will continue in attack for the Reds, with Luis Garcia and Daniel Agger replacing Mark Gonzalez and Sami Hyypia.

Liverpool - Dudek, Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Agger, Gerrard, Alonso, Garcia, Pennant, Kuyt, Crouch. Subs - Reina, Hyypia, Gonzalez, Aurelio, Bellamy.

legend76
06-01-2007, 06:27 PM
sorry lads, what was the six minute protest about?

CHANCE
06-01-2007, 06:29 PM
sorry lads, what was the six minute protest about?

hillsborough and the sun newspaper and their coverage of it.

legend76
06-01-2007, 06:30 PM
hillsborough and the sun newspaper and their coverage of it.

figured it must have been, cheers for confirming

rebelexile
06-01-2007, 06:46 PM
sorry lads, what was the six minute protest about?

Kelvin McKenzie the ex editor of the sun who had a recent outburst on radio newcastle saying that he didn't print lies (despite his paper saying they did) and being offered a nice cushy contract by the BBC.Theres a petition to get him removed and its looking successfull if murmerings from the beeb are anything to go by

Jim Comic
06-01-2007, 06:54 PM
0-1

legend76
06-01-2007, 06:56 PM
rosicky from just outside the box

toffeebhoy
06-01-2007, 07:02 PM
Kelvin McKenzie the ex editor of the sun who had a recent outburst on radio newcastle saying that he didn't print lies (despite his paper saying they did) and being offered a nice cushy contract by the BBC.Theres a petition to get him removed and its looking successfull if murmerings from the beeb are anything to go by

The sun is a despicable rag, the lies they wrote that day were fucking horrible. Though could anyone have expected less from a rag that worshipped Thatcher.

legend76
06-01-2007, 07:03 PM
2-0 now, Rosicky again could be czeh mate ????

bricktop
06-01-2007, 07:10 PM
i had to laugh after the second goal, when the arsenal supporters were singing 'are you tottenham in disguise?'

wayne gayle
06-01-2007, 07:10 PM
Gllad I didn't go to the pub for this one.
Rosicky's missus is one fit bird if I remember correctly from those "World Cup wives" links during the World Cup.

wat_boy
06-01-2007, 07:12 PM
i had to laugh after the second goal, when the arsenal supporters were singing 'are you tottenham in disguise?'

ya, real original that

Forsberg
06-01-2007, 07:13 PM
ya, real original that


Someone's rattled

legend76
06-01-2007, 07:18 PM
i had to laugh after the second goal, when the arsenal supporters were singing 'are you tottenham in disguise?'


what a bunch of colour-blind idiots, Spurs in red??? no chance. thfc even has a 'no red' clothing line, even santa wears blue at the lane

wat_boy
06-01-2007, 07:21 PM
Someone's rattled

yes indeed, 2 easily avoidable goals ffs, riise ball watching for the first one when should of got tight on kleb and denied him the space to play the ball back inside and dudek, how far off his line was he! great strike tho and the second was just poor defending all round, about 6 six red shirts and not one of them stuck in their boot :mad:

wayne gayle
06-01-2007, 07:29 PM
Manchester United fans are very fond of saying Liverpool fans are obsessed with them.
This link shows whose really obsessed with who:
http://www.si-sv1646.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

EDIT:The forum admin on that link deleted a load of tasteless posts just there. Stuff about Heysel, Hillsborough, the usual muck.

legend76
06-01-2007, 07:48 PM
Kuyt scored 1-2

Annie Hall
06-01-2007, 07:52 PM
Kelvin McKenzie the ex editor of the sun who had a recent outburst on radio newcastle saying that he didn't print lies (despite his paper saying they did) and being offered a nice cushy contract by the BBC.Theres a petition to get him removed and its looking successfull if murmerings from the beeb are anything to go by

Could you elaborate please?

legend76
06-01-2007, 08:01 PM
it looks over now!!!! Henry's made it 3-1 .

Jim Comic
06-01-2007, 08:09 PM
feeble performance by the reds

ft 1-3

STEVIEG
06-01-2007, 08:11 PM
Manchester United fans are very fond of saying Liverpool fans are obsessed with them.
This link shows whose really obsessed with who:


Red Issue has loads of wankers on it-so what

You are the person who mentioned United in this thread and you are the preson trawling through United websites for this rubbish

Hard luck on the game but in fairness you were outclassed by a much better team today-fair play to Naff he called it I thought Liverpool would make more of a game of it

wayne gayle
06-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Red Issue has loads of wankers on it-so what

You are the person who mentioned United in this thread and you are the preson trawling through United websites for this rubbish

Hard luck on the game but in fairness you were outclassed by a much better team today-fair play to Naff he called it I thought Liverpool would make more of a game of it

True, but I wasn't trawling through United websites, I occasionally have a look at the redissue forum, as I never cease to be amazed by the shite that is on there. I didn't read the posts, the subject headings said enough.
But the fact remains it is the most popular forum among United fans, which says a lot really.
Arse were the better side by far, you are correct.

STEVIEG
06-01-2007, 08:55 PM
I occasionally have a look at the redissue forum, as I never cease to be amazed by the shite that is on there.


Agreed, that's why i avoid it always
UWS and RedCafe are much better
RedCafe has a lot of Liverpool posters on it aswell and any of that Heysel shit is kept in check there's no place for that in football

I agree with the other posters about the Sun et al and i'm glad this prick looks likely to lose his job

MonTheHoops
07-01-2007, 12:24 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/rob.cozens/LFC/iMovieTheater23.html

KolaKubes
07-01-2007, 12:43 AM
Agreed, that's why i avoid it always
UWS and RedCafe are much better
RedCafe has a lot of Liverpool posters on it aswell and any of that Heysel shit is kept in check there's no place for that in football

I agree with the other posters about the Sun et al and i'm glad this prick looks likely to lose his job

I'm on redissue a lot. I like feeling all moderate on there. ;D

The anti-scouse thing is ott but I haven't ever felt the need to drift towards the more saccharine redcafe.

paudie
07-01-2007, 01:37 AM
if we don't beat the gunner's in mid week i can't see Jerzy Dudek getting a game this season again
he did have a good game at all

Up For The Ba
07-01-2007, 02:09 AM
One thing that has been annoying me for a while now. Is every commentator out there mispronouncing Rosicky`s name? Where the fuck is the "Z" in there? Or am i just assuming that his name is pronounced in too much of a literal sense?

ho chi feen
07-01-2007, 02:15 AM
Kelvin McKenzie the ex editor of the sun

An odious cunt of the highest order.

Could you elaborate please?

No.


One thing that has been annoying me for a while now. Is every commentator out there mispronouncing Rosicky`s name? Where the fuck is the "Z" in there? Or am i just assuming that his name is pronounced in too much of a literal sense?

How are they pronouncing it?

It should be Roh-sich-kee.

Forsberg
07-01-2007, 02:59 AM
How are they pronouncing it?

It should be Roh-sich-kee.


As far as I know it should be pronounced Roh-sitz-kee. Apparantly the c is pronounced sz in Czech.

Thats AFAIK

ho chi feen
07-01-2007, 03:16 AM
As far as I know it should be pronounced Roh-sitz-kee. Apparantly the c is pronounced sz in Czech.

Thats AFAIK


I'll ask one of the Czech or Slovak lads at work next week.

Cech = Check

Maybe there's a squiggly accent on the 'c' in Rosicky's name that changes the sound, or perhaps it's the fact that it's in the middle of the word. Surnames ending in 'vich' in Russian or 'vic' in southern Slav tongues (Like Mihajlovic) exist in Polish (as 'cz'), but are pronounced more like (but not precisely) a 'tz'. They're also often translilterated into English as a 'tz' (Like Sam Berkowitz, the son of sam... basically the same surname as Eyal Berkovic's) The various slav languages tend to differ on a grade between the two.

afeencalleddan
07-01-2007, 01:25 PM
As far as I know it should be pronounced Roh-sitz-kee. Apparantly the c is pronounced sz in Czech.

Thats AFAIKAgreed. I think most commentators are getting it right.

homer jay
07-01-2007, 05:01 PM
yes indeed, 2 easily avoidable goals ffs, riise ball watching for the first one when should of got tight on kleb and denied him the space to play the ball back inside and dudek, how far off his line was he! great strike tho and the second was just poor defending all round, about 6 six red shirts and not one of them stuck in their boot :mad:

utter shite defending/goalkeeping for all three arse goals. did anyone notice gerrard pulling out of a tackle just as rosicky pulled the trigger for the second? and as soon as i saw henry running at agger for the third, i knew he was gonna cut in on his right and fire low. wasn't expecting dudek to make such a balls of it tho.

so once again liverpool lose a game while pretty much dominating. some people would say its an unfair result, but i reckon arsenal earned it. they defended very well, and countered with one great touch passing. its a pity this wasn't the league cup instead. fuck um anyway :x-mas:

STEVIEG
07-01-2007, 05:01 PM
You are the Special One Naff
(though you do get it wrong aswell a fair bit:))

STEVIEG
07-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Liverpool supposedly in for Bent now

Rumours of Chelsea in for Baros (can't see that)

Hard to know what to make of it all

STEVIEG
07-01-2007, 05:13 PM
i still feel baros is one of the best strikers around.
if arsenal had sold henry for 30 million to barca in the summer and signed baros i wouldnt have been too upset.


Yeah he has bags of ability he needs to be in the right system

I'd fancy his chances more at Arsenal than at a Villa or Chelsea

STEVIEG
07-01-2007, 05:28 PM
Good stuff

MonTheHoops
07-01-2007, 05:31 PM
He'd be a great player if he looked up on occasion and stopped running into dead channels.

Superior
07-01-2007, 11:43 PM
He'd be a great player if he looked up on occasion and stopped running into dead channels.

Hear, hear!

Baros is brutal. Couldn`t lace Henry`s boots imo.
Good to see (not that I saw it) Arsenal beat the Pool though. From what I`ve read Rosicky and Hleb played well - could do with a bit more of that.

KolaKubes
08-01-2007, 12:59 AM
He'd be a great player if he looked up on occasion and stopped running into dead channels.

Did you enjoy Larsson in a Utd shirt?

I did. :D

Sound
08-01-2007, 10:25 AM
I'd love to know why Liverpool persist at trying to play Arsenal at football. If Utd aren't above kicking them up and down the park then Liverpool certainly shouldn't be. The minute anyone saw the teamsheet, it was painfully obvious what was going to happen. Wenger got it spot on tactically. Liverpool had a lot of possesion in parts but the delivery from the flanks was poor. They battered away but without any real incision from the attack and when they needed to be blunt in defence (Henry's goal) they tried to be clever.

PS. Dudek was utterly awful.

Sound
08-01-2007, 02:04 PM
A special commendation to the kop on Saturday. Six minutes of pretty deafening protest along with the placard display. Powerful stuff.

Lamps
08-01-2007, 02:43 PM
A special commendation to the kop on Saturday. Six minutes of pretty deafening protest along with the placard display. Powerful stuff.

I think i mentioned this in another post, i was fantastic, it really puts the crowd at old trafford with the weekly Heysel chanting to shame. Even henry said it after the game that it was amazing.

No mention of it in todays BBC match reports, looks like they are sticking to their guns about mckensie. Very bad form.

rebelexile
08-01-2007, 03:17 PM
Link in case anyone missed it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbFpppsaOg&mode=related&search=

'Truth day ' media reports
The Observer
To say Anfield was noisy at the start of this Cup tie would be the understatement of 2007. The Kop welcomed the television cameras as promised, with a superbly orchestrated protest over slurs on fans' behaviour at Hillsborough, recently re-aired by Kelvin MacKenzie. He was editor of the Sun at the time of the original accusations. The display lasted exactly six minutes into the game - though with grim irony, fans were warned that holding up placards during play would infringe safety regulations - then switched off with military precision, to coincide with the time when the 1989 FA Cup semi-final was abandoned. The protest was replaced by the type of sustained din usually reserved for big European nights.


Sunday Mirror
Stirred by recent sickening comments made by the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, fans on the Kop held up cards to produce a mosaic which read: "The Truth" as they sang "Justice for the 96."

The main protest lasted until six minutes after kick-off - a reference to the time it took for the authorities at Hillsborough to realise that people were being crushed to death in the Leppings Lane end of the stadium.


The Independent
There had been an unreal air to the opening six minutes as the whole of the Kop held up red and white cards to form a giant mosaic and chanted "Justice for the 96" in support of those supporters who died at Hillsborough almost 18 years ago. Anyone whose view was obscured would have missed nothing, the first quarter of the game passing without incident.


Sunday People
The opening six minutes were dominated by an incredible display on The Kop where, to a man, supporters held up cards which spelt out 'The Truth' in letters 20 feet high, a tribute to the 96 Liverpool fans who died at Hillsborough and a protest against the perceived injustice of so many deaths.


Sunday Times
With yesterday’s game shown live by the BBC it started with the Kop leading a protest against Kelvin MacKenzie, recently hired by the corporation, who was editor of the The Sun during its notorious coverage of Hillsbrough. It was extraordinary, a six-minute repetition of a single chant: “Justice for the 96”. So little happened on the pitch at the time it was as if the players were waiting respectfully for the crowd to stop.


The Age (Austrlian National paper)
LIVERPOOL supporters staged a unique protest at the weekend in the long-running dispute with London's controversial and mass-selling Sun newspaper. Thousands of Merseysiders held up signs forming a mosaic reading "The Truth" and chanted slogans against the paper during an FA Cup match at Anfield. Their angst dates to the Hillsborough tragedy of 1989, when 96 Liverpool fans were killed in a crush during a match at Sheffield. Days later under the headline "The Truth", the newspaper reported that Liverpool supporters had pickpocketed other fans (including dead ones), urinated on police and generally caused the mayhem. The editor, Kelvin MacKenzie, apologised soon afterward but calls to boycott The Sun in Liverpool have largely been heeded since. In 2004, the paper issued a full-page apology but the wounds were reopened before Christmas, when MacKenzie told a business dinner that the allegations he published were true, and that he had apologised only because his boss, Rupert Murdoch, had insisted.



Sportnetwork.net
Liverpool fans are to be congratulated on their organised greeting of the television cameras with a wall of sound protesting over slurs on fans' behaviour at Hillsborough, recently re-aired by the odious Kelvin MacKenzie, editor of the Sun at the time of the original accusations. The sound was deafening and non – stop for the whole six minutes.

If you were watching on TV the slogans were filtered so it was hard to hear what the slogans were, but you could see the anti-Sun placards The display lasted six minutes into the game to coincide with the tragic time when the 1989 FA Cup semi-final was abandoned. It does show that if fans organise they can get some control over events usually trivialised by the owners, and commentators, of the beautiful game.
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rebelexile
08-01-2007, 03:20 PM
I think i mentioned this in another post, i was fantastic, it really puts the crowd at old trafford with the weekly Heysel chanting to shame. Even henry said it after the game that it was amazing.

No mention of it in todays BBC match reports, looks like they are sticking to their guns about mckensie. Very bad form.

Theres one photo doing the rounds , of the Mosaic and the singing in full flow while in the forground you can clearly see the game being played

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/paul7777/truth2.jpg

Sound
08-01-2007, 04:11 PM
I think i mentioned this in another post, i was fantastic, it really puts the crowd at old trafford with the weekly Heysel chanting to shame. Even henry said it after the game that it was amazing.

No mention of it in todays BBC match reports, looks like they are sticking to their guns about mckensie. Very bad form.

McKenzie is a fraction of a man and the Beeb should be ashamed of themselves.

Philby
08-01-2007, 04:41 PM
I'd love to know why Liverpool persist at trying to play Arsenal at football. If Utd aren't above kicking them up and down the park then Liverpool certainly shouldn't be. The minute anyone saw the teamsheet, it was painfully obvious what was going to happen. Wenger got it spot on tactically. Liverpool had a lot of possesion in parts but the delivery from the flanks was poor. They battered away but without any real incision from the attack and when they needed to be blunt in defence (Henry's goal) they tried to be clever.

PS. Dudek was utterly awful.

This is a pretty fair assessment of yesterday's game. To be fair to them Liverpool really tried to make the play but simply couldn't penetrate a shockingly negative Arsenal side. So much for Arsenal's commitment to the beautiful game. Liverpool simply couldn't convert their amount of considerable possession into enough chances and rightly were punished for a catalogue of errors for each goal.

Decisions go for and against you but I knew the minute Alonso was wrongly yellow-carded and denied a penalty that we were hurtling out of the competition. They are the kind of events that decide games and I think the ref got it wrong in that instance.

Having said that no team should deserve to progress if they made the collection of errors that the Liverpool defence made today.

Stevie - "outclassed by a much better team today" - I think this is way off the mark. Arsenal played possum and hit almost exclusively in rare forays on the break. They played it cute & their gameplan worked but "outclassed" Liverpool were most definitely not.

STEVIEG
08-01-2007, 04:44 PM
This is a pretty fair assessment of yesterday's game. To be fair to them Liverpool really tried to make the play but simply couldn't penetrate a shockingly negative Arsenal side. So much for Arsenal's commitment to the beautiful game.

I stopped reading after that

Arsenal picked Liverpool off by playing really good counter-attacking football

KolaKubes
08-01-2007, 05:00 PM
Stevie - "outclassed by a much better team today" - I think this is way off the mark. Arsenal played possum and hit almost exclusively in rare forays on the break. They played it cute & their gameplan worked but "outclassed" Liverpool were most definitely not.

It was one of those games where I wanted both sides to use so, after a manner, I was neutral for the afternoon. Arsenal were the better side on the day but, as usual, they weren't remotely as good as their media cheerleaders would suggest. Liverpool gave away a poor third goal, had no pace to get at the ponderous Senderos and were unfortunate with said lump nearly blasted into his own net towards the end.

Philby
08-01-2007, 05:07 PM
Well if you kept reading and read the last paragaph maybe that'll shed a bit more light on my views.

"Outclassing" as I understand it implies domination and a gulf in class. While Arsenal implemented their tactical plan well it's wide of the mark to say they outclassed Liverpool. Had Liverpool been awarded that penalty (which would've been a just reward for their pressure) Arsenal would've had to open up and come out and play instead of defending deep in numbers and lumping it to Henry.

homer jay
08-01-2007, 05:14 PM
Decisions go for and against you but I knew the minute Alonso was wrongly yellow-carded and denied a penalty that we were hurtling out of the competition. They are the kind of events that decide games and I think the ref got it wrong in that instance.

didn't think it was a pen meself. he left his foot in there, there would have been no contact if he'd kept his normal movement over the defender.

Liverpool gave away a poor third goal, had no pace to get at the ponderous Senderos and were unfortunate with said lump nearly blasted into his own net towards the end.

all 3 goals were poorly given away by liverpool. in the end, they just didn't have the space to run at senderos. arsenal defended way too deep, with 11 in side their own half for most of the second half/entire game. they marked alonso out of the game which seems an all too easy thing to do. gerrard didn't have the space. pennant was closed down very well by clichy any time he got the ball, so crosses to the lanky one were few and far between. garcia was...garcia, ineffective as usual

Sound
08-01-2007, 05:16 PM
didn't think it was a pen meself. he left his foot in there, there would have been no contact if he'd kept his normal movement over the defender.



all 3 goals were poorly given away by liverpool. in the end, they just didn't have the space to run at senderos. arsenal defended way too deep, with 11 in side their own half for most of the second half/entire game. they marked alonso out of the game which seems an all too easy thing to do. gerrard didn't have the space. pennant was closed down very well by clichy any time he got the ball, so crosses to the lanky one were few and far between. garcia was...garcia, ineffective as usual

I dont get why Rafa plays Crouch and Garcia in the same team. Crouch is slow so needs the crosses yet Garcia rarely crosses and looks to cut inside thus constricting the play. Madness.

And why is nobody mentioning the Gilberto went in two footed? It's all remarkably like the Neill/ Grosso incident in the WC and shows the inconsistency of refereeing.

KolaKubes
08-01-2007, 05:17 PM
Well if you kept reading and read the last paragaph maybe that'll shed a bit more light on my views.

"Outclassing" as I understand it implies domination and a gulf in class. While Arsenal implemented their tactical plan well it's wide of the mark to say they outclassed Liverpool. Had Liverpool been awarded that penalty (which would've been a just reward for their pressure) Arsenal would've had to open up and come out and play instead of defending deep in numbers and lumping it to Henry.

Sure, Arsenal came to OT, parked five across the middle like any common or garden mid-table side and were hailed for a virtuoso performance which they're still dining out on now.

I wouldn't let it bother you, Arsenal are the London media darlings. Sure that shower even turned a blind eye to Chelsea's shenanigans until recently.

My reading of the game would be that it demonstrated that any team is only as good as its weakest player. Arsenal's are good to decent players like Van Persie, Senderos and Hleb, Liverpool's were functionaries like Crouch, Pennant and Dudek. In a game of fine margins, that becomes critical.

Oh, and Stevie Gerrard proved yet again that he can't play centre mid without a proper "minder" behind him and Arsenal exploited the holes all day. Stick him back out wide or put Sissoko in to hold alongside.

STEVIEG
08-01-2007, 05:19 PM
Arsenal would've had to open up and come out and play instead of defending deep in numbers and lumping it to Henry.

Their first goal showed that rather than lumping Arsenal picked the right passes and patiently awaited for their opportunities

I think Reina would have saved at least two of the goals though

Sound
08-01-2007, 05:21 PM
Sure, Arsenal came to OT, parked five across the middle like any common or garden mid-table side and were hailed for a virtuoso performance which they're still dining out on now.

I wouldn't let it bother you, Arsenal are the London media darlings. Sure that shower even turned a blind eye to Chelsea's shenanigans until recently.

My reading of the game would be that it demonstrated that any team is only as good as its weakest player. Arsenal's are good to decent players like Van Persie, Senderos and Hleb, Liverpool's were functionaries like Crouch, Pennant and Dudek. In a game of fine margins, that becomes critical.

Oh, and Stevie Gerrard proved yet again that he can't play centre mid without a proper "minder" behind him and Arsenal exploited the holes all day. Stick him back out wide or put Sissoko in to hold alongside.

Damn right.

STEVIEG
08-01-2007, 05:23 PM
Sissouko is back in training looking at the Everton game as his target

homer jay
08-01-2007, 05:26 PM
I dont get why Rafa plays Crouch and Garcia in the same team. Crouch is slow so needs the crosses yet Garcia rarely crosses and looks to cut inside thus constricting the play. Madness.

if they get can make a profit on crouch they should flog him. every time he plays the formation and tactics might as well be put on the opposition dressing room door. it worked against bolton, but they should be beating bolton anyway. kuyt & bellamy have to be the starting lineup, with crouch coming on with 20 to go if things are looking bad, and pelt a few into the box for him (arguable to softly nod to the keeper :mad: ).

garcia is good when there's a bit of space for him to do something. if its tight, he's very easily taken out of the game

homer jay
08-01-2007, 05:34 PM
Oh, and Stevie Gerrard proved yet again that he can't play centre mid without a proper "minder" behind him and Arsenal exploited the holes all day. Stick him back out wide or put Sissoko in to hold alongside.

i dunno bout that. arsenal did find the gaps in deep pool midfield, but i wouldn't necessarily blame gerrard.

imo he needs to be dropped as soon as possible tho. maybe if mascherano comes in or whenever sissoko is back. he's getting way too complacent and not playing a very good captains role this season.

KolaKubes
08-01-2007, 06:04 PM
arsenal went to trafford and played football kola pubes is having a laugh....

The idea that we were "outclassed" and dominated was frankly nonsensical. Arsenal were good, Utd were below-parr, the rest was the usual Arsenal fans with typewriters spun bullshit.

Manchester United Team Statistics Arsenal 0 Goals 1 0 1st Half Goals 0 5 Shots on Target 6 6 Shots off Target 7 4 Blocked Shots 3 10 Corners 5 12 Fouls 13 4 Offsides 4 2 Yellow Cards 2 0 Red Cards 0 78.8 Passing Success 80.5 33 Tackles 26 81.8 Tackles Success 84.6 48.5 Possession 51.5 49 Territorial Advantage 51

saltyfriedeggs
08-01-2007, 06:10 PM
[QUOTE=KolaKubes;1334 399]Sure, Arsenal came to OT, parked five across the middle like any common or garden mid-table side and were hailed for a virtuoso performance which they're still dining out on now.

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You are being sarcastic there, right?Playing five in midfield doesn't automatically mean a team is being negative if the team has runners in midfield to play the system and exploit the opposition.Arsenal did that at OT and deserved to win the game.

It was the movement of the Arsenal midfield that day that won the game.Didn't you see Lee Dixon and his triangles on Match of the Day2?

I don't dine out on it.Just another 3points to me.Beating Bolton and Blackburn away would be alot more important to me.

MonTheHoops
08-01-2007, 06:16 PM
Did you enjoy Larsson in a Utd shirt?

I did. :D

He's past it and he still outshone Wazza - his second touch is a tackle. ;)

Vintage Henrik, but in the wrong jersey. He left Celtic at the right time in my opinion.

KolaKubes
08-01-2007, 06:21 PM
He's past it and he still outshone Wazza - his second touch is a tackle. ;)

Vintage Henrik, but in the wrong jersey. He left Celtic at the right time in my opinion.

Wayne will end up playing midfield. He's starting to look a little like Scholes when he was still played up front on occasion, playing alright but not really in the game as much as he should be. Will be interesting to see if its experimented with if Scholes gets injured given Ronaldo, Larsson and Saha would provide as much of a goal threat.

wat_boy
28-01-2007, 08:19 PM
http://www.soccerblog.com/2007/01/video_harry_enfields _arsenal_v.htm