Stephen Jones-dope.

[Langer Dan]

www.timesonline.co.u k/article/0,,377-2524338,00.html

hes some deluded fool

"irelands feeble scrum and weak scrum half,undermanned lineout and unbalanced back row"

o right this would be the same unbalanced back row tha made shit of england at twickenham , would it? And the weak scrumhalf who made a huge contribution to MUNSTER WINNING THE HC. and an unbalanced lineout that contains two second rows that England would kill for.

what agimp.

[Sound]

Stephen Jones has made a career of being a WUM. Each article picks some nation to belittle in the face of whatever facts or logic are available. As regards Ireland Horgan, ROG and Leamy have come under serious criticism. All of whom would stroll onto the England team. The criticism of Ireland's backrow in particular is like derising the Nz scrum- just silly. Ireland have 8/9 backrowers that are better than their English counterparts. And any balance criticisms are a bit rich coming from a team that played three number sixes at one point.

File under ignore.

[Langer Dan]

Stephen Jones has made a career of being a WUM. Each article picks some nation to belittle in the face of whatever facts or logic are available. As regards Ireland Horgan, ROG and Leamy have come under serious criticism. All of whom would stroll onto the England team. The criticism of Ireland's backrow in particular is like derising the Nz scrum- just silly. Ireland have 8/9 backrowers that are better than their English counterparts. And any balance criticisms are a bit rich coming from a team that played three number sixes at one point.

File under ignore.

Its just infuriating when his tripe gets published in the Irish Edition of the ST. Be it this nonsensical piece about England still beiing able to cut it or his stinging dismissal of Munster after they won the HC.

The guy is an absolute wanker.

[Matlock]

Seriously man, do you just trawl the net looking for things to give out about?

;-)

[ho chi feen]

Seriously man, do you just trawl the net looking for things to give out about?

;-)

The Sports Forum - It's not for girls.

[Langer Dan]

Seriously man, do you just trawl the net looking for things to give out about?

;-)

in this instance i read a newspaper in oreder to have summat to give out about. And then ilooked it up on the net:)

[Matlock]

The Sports Forum - It's not for girls.

Then what are you doing here?

[EDDIEB]

Its just infuriating when his tripe gets published in the Irish Edition of the ST. Be it this nonsensical piece about England still beiing able to cut it or his stinging dismissal of Munster after they won the HC.

The guy is an absolute wanker.

I have stopped reading Stephen Jones a long time ago - a consistantly anti-Irish tosser spouting his nonsense.

[ho chi feen]

Then what are you doing here?


Why.... eh....


Oh crap.

[ho chi feen]

Anyway, if you want to see deluded, try this piece from Eddie Butler the other week

http://observer.guardian.co .uk/sport/story/0,,1978536,00.html


Then to the quarter-finals to meet either Wales or Australia in Marseille. Tough, but not as gruelling as facing the host nation, or Ireland or New Zealand. In fact, the All Blacks would not be encountered until the final.

Eh... yeah.... right on there, Eddie.

[Lamps]

Sound is correct here, Jones is a wum and possibly the best around. What I find funny is that people buy that paper in order to read him and get mad about it. How sad.

His views on Strings, Axel and John Hayes are as valid(probably moreso) than Hook and many others in the irish media on woodward and the England world cup winning team.

Fitzy lad, this is a non story.

[BangorFeen]

It's a bit Stephen-Jones-in-anti-Irish-rugby-rant-shocka!!! really isn't it? And to be fair, look at what he's said:

"Irelands feeble scrum and weak scrum half,undermanned lineout and unbalanced back row"

Piece by piece

"Irelands feeble scrum"
It's news to no-one that in the scrum Ireland's pack have been found wanting, especially in the front row. SJ takes this and makes as controversial a statement as possible out of it (it sells papers apparently...), feeble, I think you'll find that's Leinster's scrum :-P
We live with teams at the scrum and then target the breakdown (BOD and D'arcy are a huge help here).

"Weak Scrum Half"
This is SJ's pet topic and maybe two season's ago, he might have had a point. Stringer is still good for two howler passes a game but "weak" is laughable, if there's a better SH in the 6Ns at scrum time (wrapping up opposition SHs and back rows, being a niggly little fucker, getting the ball quickly to Leamy for free kicks and etc.) I've yet to see them. His pass is quick, his decision making is much improved (knowing look at Isaac Boss esq.) and he is papably more of a threat around the fringes than hitherto was the case. Dog with a bone, move on SJ...

"Undermanned lineout"
This one mystifies me and it seems perfect evidence that SJ is speaking through a fug of port and cigar smoke in a London club desperately trying to hide his Welsh accent. Anyone who can call a lineout containing Paul O'Connell, Malcolm O'Kelly (shit eveywhere else but still one mean operator out of touch), Donncha O'Callaghan, John Hayes (one-man lifts) and the increasingly efficient Denis Leamy "undermanned" has clearly been filching granda's cough medicine too much.

"Unbalanced back row"
Ostensibly speaking, he's correct. Leamy isn't a fully-formed 8 yet and Wally is not an openside in the "traditional" sense so on paper at least there's a prima facia case here. I'd be worried if it appeared to be holding us back or costing us games. It isn't and it's not, quite the opposite in fact, our back row is the envy of the NH.

All in all, SJ is barely worth the time. I've stopped reading his articles long ago. I lost whatever vestigal respect I had for his "consistency" when he positively creamed himself over Munsters ERC win despite spending the previous few years sending nowt but ill-informed vitriol our way.

[Loftydog]

Ah when i saw this thread title i thought it was going to be steven jones wales fly half in drugs shame shocker. Carry on

[Langer Dan]

It's a bit Stephen-Jones-in-anti-Irish-rugby-rant-shocka!!! really isn't it? And to be fair, look at what he's said:

"Irelands feeble scrum and weak scrum half,undermanned lineout and unbalanced back row"

Piece by piece

"Irelands feeble scrum"
It's news to no-one that in the scrum Ireland's pack have been found wanting, especially in the front row. SJ takes this and makes as controversial a statement as possible out of it (it sells papers apparently...), feeble, I think you'll find that's Leinster's scrum :-P
We live with teams at the scrum and then target the breakdown (BOD and D'arcy are a huge help here).

"Weak Scrum Half"
This is SJ's pet topic and maybe two season's ago, he might have had a point. Stringer is still good for two howler passes a game but "weak" is laughable, if there's a better SH in the 6Ns at scrum time (wrapping up opposition SHs and back rows, being a niggly little fucker, getting the ball quickly to Leamy for free kicks and etc.) I've yet to see them. His pass is quick, his decision making is much improved (knowing look at Isaac Boss esq.) and he is papably more of a threat around the fringes than hitherto was the case. Dog with a bone, move on SJ...

"Undermanned lineout"
This one mystifies me and it seems perfect evidence that SJ is speaking through a fug of port and cigar smoke in a London club desperately trying to hide his Welsh accent. Anyone who can call a lineout containing Paul O'Connell, Malcolm O'Kelly (shit eveywhere else but still one mean operator out of touch), Donncha O'Callaghan, John Hayes (one-man lifts) and the increasingly efficient Denis Leamy "undermanned" has clearly been filching granda's cough medicine too much.

"Unbalanced back row"
Ostensibly speaking, he's correct. Leamy isn't a fully-formed 8 yet and Wally is not an openside in the "traditional" sense so on paper at least there's a prima facia case here. I'd be worried if it appeared to be holding us back or costing us games. It isn't and it's not, quite the opposite in fact, our back row is the envy of the NH.

All in all, SJ is barely worth the time. I've stopped reading his articles long ago. I lost whatever vestigal respect I had for his "consistency" when he positively creamed himself over Munsters ERC win despite spending the previous few years sending nowt but ill-informed vitriol our way.

well said.

[Lamps]

well said.

Fitzy lad, this is what you little mind should have been saying last Sunday morning and your Mam wouldn't have had to be cleaning up all those cornflakes spat over the kitchen floor

[Langer Dan]

Fitzy lad, this is what you little mind should have been saying last Sunday morning and your Mam wouldn't have had to be cleaning up all those cornflakes spat over the kitchen floor

'Lad'?, fuck off to back to East cork, you knuckle dragging simpleton.

[Lamps]

'Lad'?, fuck off to back to East cork, you knuckle dragging simpleton.

I'm from Pouladuff road

[POL]

it should be pointed out that Fitzy has admitted he lives in Middleton.

[Lamps]

it should be pointed out that Fitzy has admitted he lives in Middleton.

Christ

Its like the old days

[Langer Dan]

it should be pointed out that Fitzy has admitted he lives in Middleton.

It should also be pointed out that moving to an area has little or nothing to do with adopting the local sayings 'lad'.

[Lamps]

It should also be pointed out that moving to an area has little or nothing to do with adopting the local sayings 'lad'.

why wold you move to east cork, a place overun with " knuckle dragging simpletons" as you say?

[Langer Dan]

why wold you move to east cork, a place overun with " knuckle dragging simpletons" as you say?


The only one who I insinuated was a knuckle dragging simpleton was you my boy, or should I say Lad?

[Lamps]

The only one who I insinuated was a knuckle dragging simpleton was you my boy, or should I say Lad?

why did you assume i was from east cork?

[Langer Dan]

why did you assume i was from east cork?

The use of the word "lad" ,seems to be a big thing back east.

[STEVIEG]

wow-rugby too