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Philby

07-11-2006, 10:57 PM

STEVIEG

07-11-2006, 11:12 PM

Another thread open................ .....

Philby

07-11-2006, 11:16 PM

I was drafting this thread as that one was being posted. As it stands I think my tabloid headline & inclusion of United starting line-up marks this out as a superior thread.

STEVIEG

07-11-2006, 11:17 PM

Well i suppose you were excited so i'll excuse you!

Philby

07-11-2006, 11:46 PM

STEVIEG

07-11-2006, 11:56 PM

Ah ya, true enough. It's been a tough old season so far so you'll forgive me for taking a bit of satisfaction in tonight's results. I'd agree that in the grand scheme of things it's decidedly 4th best but it's still worth winning & is a useful competition to give a run-out to some of those on the fringes on the first team.

True enough
As i always maintain if you get to the semi's its worth taking a bit more seriously from then on-Southend are a game away from the semi's now

Players like Richardson and the likes though might regret it in the long run
They should still have won
United need to strengthen their squad

MonTheHoops

07-11-2006, 11:58 PM

Anyone know that aside from his time at Gillingham, Glenn Roeder's managerial career reads:

Watford

1st season - 7th
2nd season - relegated

West Ham

1st season - 7th
2nd season - relegated

Newcastle

1st season - 7th
2nd season - .................... .............

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:01 AM

As we've discovered in the other thread i'm not a mathematical genius but there's some sort of sequence going on there

afeencalleddan

08-11-2006, 12:07 AM

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:09 AM

Newcastle

1st season - 7th
2nd season - Fired in time for Newcastle to get in another false messiah who takes them to the brink of inter-toto cup qualification and then fuck it all up at the start of next season. What a great club :roll: .

Well i'm in no position to talk after tonight but possible Managerial messiahs could be

1-Terry Venables
2-Bryan Robson
3-pick any other usual suspect of your choice

Possible new players

1-Beckham
2-Anelka
3-anyone except a defender

KolaKubes

08-11-2006, 12:12 AM

United need to strengthen their squad

They have a crazy number of players out on loan though.

I think Foster, Rossi, Evans, Gibson, Pique, Simpson, maybe even Dong Fangzhou (yes, actually a decent player, I was shocked myself), there's the squad for next season.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:19 AM

They have a crazy number of players out on loan though.

I think Foster, Rossi, Evans, Gibson, Pique, Simpson, maybe even Dong Fangzhou (yes, actually a decent player, I was shocked myself), there's the squad for next season.

Fair point
Gibson is the only one they really could have done with tonight, maybe Rossi too
I rate Evans and Pique highly but think they are okay at the back but its in midfield and upfront that the problems lie when the Scholesys and Giggs and Sahas are gone

legend76

08-11-2006, 12:33 AM

great strike from Eastwood. wonder why Ferguson took off Alan Smith and brought on Evra who's a defender, when they were a goal down??

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:42 AM

great strike from Eastwood. wonder why Ferguson took off Alan Smith and brought on Evra who's a defender, when they were a goal down??

Yeah Smith looked tired and poor and Fergie had fuck all on the bench really
Evra more or less played as an attacking player
He started with a team that should have been good enough
Fair fucks to Southend though they fully deserved their victory i thought
United didn't really get behind them and were restricted to long range shots mainly (the keeper was class too)
A premiership move beckons for Eastwood perhaps?

KolaKubes

08-11-2006, 12:43 AM

Fair point
Gibson is the only one they really could have done with tonight, maybe Rossi too
I rate Evans and Pique highly but think they are okay at the back but its in midfield and upfront that the problems lie when the Scholesys and Giggs and Sahas are gone

Evans and Pique would both be an improvement on the fullbacks tonight. I think having seen Pique play defensive mid he'd have been an improvement there too.

Hargreaves in january pleeeease.

KolaKubes

08-11-2006, 12:43 AM

great strike from Eastwood. wonder why Ferguson took off Alan Smith and brought on Evra who's a defender, when they were a goal down??
Because Smith was the worst of the lot tonight.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:47 AM

Evans and Pique would both be an improvement on the fullbacks tonight. I think having seen Pique play defensive mid he'd have been an improvement there too.

Hargreaves in january pleeeease.

Yeah i suppose (especially in hindsight)
They really shouldn't have neeed either to beat Southend and they are getting some games away from the reds

These kind of performances were happening in the league in the last few years
Blackburn away is MASSIVE now this weekend

st finnbar

08-11-2006, 01:36 AM

man u , not great tonight

11 point behind the leader:confused: ,, pl

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 09:13 AM

What's the fascination with Hargreaves? He's very average.

Pez123

08-11-2006, 09:30 AM

I was drafting this thread as that one was being posted. As it stands I think my tabloid headline & inclusion of United starting line-up marks this out as a superior thread.
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STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:04 PM

What's the fascination with Hargreaves? He's very average.

A good energetic player that they need and a different option to Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher et al for certain games

Actin The Sham

08-11-2006, 12:32 PM

I'm sure the drunken Scot will be raging. The side he put out was full of International experience and should've had more than enough to get past a side launguishing at the bottom on the Championship.

29 Kuszczak
22 O'Shea
06 Brown
27 Silvestre
04 Heinze
07 Ronaldo
25 Jones
24 Fletcher
23 Richardson
14 Smith
08 Rooney

It's Southend's biggest result since they knocked Liverpool out of the FA Cup in the '50s. Although, Liverpool were in the old second division at the time, in fairness.

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 12:33 PM

A good energetic player that they need and a different option to Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher et al for certain games

Yeah but Jimmy Bullard is a good energetic player too. As is Robbie Savage

Hargreaves is over-rated Stevie and that's not because he's United bound. In fact for your sakes I hope he doesn't sign for ye.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:36 PM

Yeah but Jimmy Bullard is a good energetic player too. As is Robbie Savage

Hargreaves is over-rated Stevie and that's not because he's United bound. In fact for your sakes I hope he doesn't sign for ye.

Yeah i dunno i've been impressed with what i've seen i don't take much notice of the papers
I don't rate Savage at all and i think Bullard is good but not United standard
He is English so yes he may be over-rated but i think Fergie knows more than you and I
Despite one season of crap signings he generally gets it right

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 12:51 PM

Yeah i dunno i've been impressed with what i've seen i don't take much notice of the papers
I don't rate Savage at all and i think Bullard is good but not United standard
He is English so yes he may be over-rated but i think Fergie knows more than you and I
Despite one season of crap signings he generally gets it right

My point on Savage & Bullard was that both are energetic. Hargreaves just happens to be energetic with a bigger club then them.

I honestly think the likes of Boro etc is his level. United should burst their balls to sign Scott Parker.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 12:54 PM

My point on Savage & Bullard was that both are energetic. Hargreaves just happens to be energetic with a bigger club then them.

I honestly think the likes of Boro etc is his level. United should burst their balls to sign Scott Parker.

I think Fergie see's more than enrergy in him to be honest

I like Parker myslef even though i haven't been that impressed with him this season-he was anyonymous against Man United, where he had the chance to impress

xvis

08-11-2006, 01:08 PM

well, the performance of stand-ins against both Copenhagen and Southend has shown how tightly balanced things are in the United side.

..Some players do not have replacements. The Giggs, Carrick, Scholes line across the middle, the Rio and Neville to the back line, the guile of Saha and Solskjaer to the front, are all missed when not about.

however, there does seem to a major prioritisation of the premiership (amongst the fans as kolakubes has said) and amongst the players.
..Giggs and Neville look particularly demented for the league, but there also seems to be collective hunger for points from the team.

Hargreaves will have to be added, ..I'd rate him considerably higher than each of Bullard, Savage or Parker, better ability and better reader of the game, ..It would put United in a strong position.

Kuszczak was poor last night as well.

Philby

08-11-2006, 01:14 PM

It's Southend's biggest result since they knocked Liverpool out of the FA Cup in the '50s. Although, Liverpool were in the old second division at the time, in fairness.

Ya, Liverpool met them two years in a row in the 3rd round ('57 & '58) losing the first year and beating them second time round at Roots Hall after a replay. As per last night's game there was only one division between them (although they ended up in similar league positions at the end of the year which won't happen this year judging on each team's progress so far).

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 01:18 PM

Ya, Liverpool met them two years in a row in the 3rd round ('57 & '58) losing the first year and beating them second time round at Roots Hall after a replay. As per last night's game there was only one division between them (although they ended up in similar league positions at the end of the year which won't happen this year judging on each team's progress so far).

Yup that was their best ever result by far
The magic of the cup
They played out of their skins in fairness
As crap as United were i thought Southend fully deserved their win

And i fully agree with the assessment of Xvis above

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 01:24 PM

I think Fergie see's more than enrergy in him to be honest

I like Parker myslef even though i haven't been that impressed with him this season-he was anyonymous against Man United, where he had the chance to impress

Going by that logic Steve, there isn't a United player that would make the Southend side ;)

EDIT: For the record I'm not saying Savage or Bullard are as good as Hargreaves. I am saying though that he's just a step above them. He's all bustle which is what they do.

Parker is a superior player to him though in my eyes.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 01:30 PM

Going by that logic Steve, there isn't a United player that would make the Southend side ;)

EDIT: For the record I'm not saying Savage or Bullard are as good as Hargreaves. I am saying though that he's just a step above them. He's all bustle which is what they do.

Parker is a superior player to him though in my eyes.

I'd love to know what Jose, Fergie, Wenger and all of these guys actually think of Parker-he sees like a good player to me but i don't know really, surely one of them would have bought him (or not sold him) by now
You could say the same about a younger Carrick i suppose

and needless to say Parker, has also to take some part of the blame for Newcastles league position (the United game was just one example), though injuries haven't helped

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 01:33 PM

I'd love to know what Jose, Fergie, Wenger and all of these guys actually think of Parker-he sees like a good player to me but i don't know really, surely one of them would have bought him (or not sold him) by now

One of them did buy him. Not making the grade at Chelsea is no bad thing - Just ask Crespo, Shaun Wright Phillips, Duff etc etc.

Lamps

08-11-2006, 01:36 PM

Lads ye know i know a lot about soccer. And I rate Parker highly, a far better player than Carrick or Hargreaves. In fact he combines the best of both those players.

Forsberg

08-11-2006, 01:43 PM

One of them did buy him. Not making the grade at Chelsea is no bad thing - Just ask Crespo, Shaun Wright Phillips, Duff etc etc.

Wasn't he at Chelsea before Mourinho arrived?

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 01:46 PM

Wasn't he at Chelsea before Mourinho arrived?

Was he not signed Mourinho? Was sure he was.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 01:51 PM

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 01:52 PM

Lads ye know i know a lot about soccer. And I rate Parker highly, a far better player than Carrick or Hargreaves. In fact he combines the best of both those players.

You don't watch much soccer these days
I rate Fergie's thoughts higher
Sorry

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 01:53 PM

I rate Fergie's thoughts higher

How do you know he doesn't rate Parker? Or that he hasn't tried to sign him?

Forsberg

08-11-2006, 01:54 PM

Was he not signed Mourinho? Was sure he was.

I'm pretty sure he was a Ranieri signing

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 01:55 PM

How do you know he doesn't rate Parker? Or that he hasn't tried to sign him?

Go back and read what i wrote
I'd love to know what Fergie thinks of him

Though i suspect if he tried to get him he wouldn't be languishing in the middle of a relegation battle now

You never know, he might still buy him

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 01:58 PM

Though i suspect if he tried to get him he wouldn't be languishing in the middle of a relegation battle now

I don't doubt that.

Philby

08-11-2006, 02:22 PM

Lads ye know i know a lot about soccer. And I rate Parker highly, a far better player than Carrick or Hargreaves. In fact he combines the best of both those players.

In my opinion Parker is the accomplished all-round player and Hargreaves has never come close to matching the level that Parker was performing at in the year prior to signing for Chelsea.

Hargreaves versatility is useful in tournament competition and in sides lacking squad depth. A side with United's resources shouldn't need him to jumping around from full-back to right-midfield to centre-midfield every week. He would be bought purely as a defensive midfielder imho and if that's the case then Parker is the better option.

Lamps

08-11-2006, 02:24 PM

You never know, he might still buy him

and then he'll be the bestest ever.

you're hopeless stevie

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 02:28 PM

and then he'll be the bestest ever.

you're hopeless stevie

I've had the balls to admit that i'm undecided on him

Now fuck off

xvis

08-11-2006, 02:30 PM

Parker is a very good player, but there was no possibility that Chelsea would have sold him to United in the summer.
United would now have to double Newcastle's money to get him, which puts him at the same price as Hargreaves. ..and a quick resale is unlikely.
Parker likes to get forward too, and can add goals as well, ..he'd be a good addition but I'd prefer to land Hargreaves at this stage. Hargreaves looks to have matured nicely and better suited to what United need.

..but either player would be a good addition.

MonTheHoops

08-11-2006, 02:33 PM

Parker is a very good player, but there was no possibility that

I honestly think that's the only reason he isn't at United right now. I think Chelsea, though leaving him go, also realised that they couldn't pass him on to someone who could contend for the title. Fortunately for them, Newcastle dived in.

On a totally unrelated point, I thought United should have broke the bank for Ballack.

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 02:36 PM

On a totally unrelated point, I thought United should have broke the bank for Ballack.

Chelsea have more cash if it was a bidding war United would have had no hope
Think they are fine for attacking midfielders anyway

POL

08-11-2006, 02:38 PM

I've had the balls to admit that i'm undecided on him

Now fuck off

someone's rattled, and badly rattled at that

Philby

08-11-2006, 02:43 PM

Chelsea have more cash if it was a bidding war United would have had no hope
Think they are fine for attacking midfielders anyway

Not sure how relevant that is as Ballack was available on a free. Sure you'd have to line his greedy german pockets with gold for his signing-on fee & wages but as you've got no initial capital expenditure for the Glazers to veto I reckon there was no financial reason why utd couldn't have landed him.

As it happens after years of courting him Fergie suddenly decided that he didn't need him as he played in the same position as Paul Scholes. Nothing to do with Ballack deciding to snub United for Chelsea though, Fergie just didn't actually realise what position he played in.

Lamps

08-11-2006, 02:43 PM

I've had the balls to admit that i'm undecided on him

Now fuck off

The deciding factor being on whether or not he plays for the biggest club on the planet?

And no need for this type of language, none whatsoever

POL

08-11-2006, 02:46 PM

The deciding factor being on whether or not he plays for the biggest club on the planet?

And no need for this type of language, none whatsoever

he went mad today and threw a wobbler after I gave him a bit of a hammering and then to cap it all, tried to wum me by making up a load of lies, he's badly rattled today, and badly rattled at that. make no mistake about it

Lamps

08-11-2006, 02:50 PM

he went mad today and threw a wobbler after I gave him a bit of a hammering and then to cap it all, tried to wum me by making up a load of lies, he's badly rattled today, and badly rattled at that. make no mistake about it

I'll have to look that up. He takes them United defeats very badly. I'd say he was shitting it last night thinking what the lads in the SFI were going to do to him after the baten they got. Poor oul sod

Sound

08-11-2006, 02:51 PM

POL

08-11-2006, 02:53 PM

I'll have to look that up. He takes them United defeats very badly. I'd say he was shitting it last night thinking what the lads in the SFI were going to do to him after the baten they got. Poor oul sod

HE TRIED TO MAKE IT ONLY MATTERS IF ITS THE SEMI FINALS WHEN THEY GET BEATEN. FFS.

xvis

08-11-2006, 02:54 PM

On a totally unrelated point, I thought United should have broke the bank for Ballack.

I'd have loved to have seen United land Ballack, ..but Ballack chose Chelsea based on likelihood of European challenges. United were snubbed, but based on last season in Europe you can understand his thinking.

however, Chelsea have just landed two players (Ballack and Sheva) who have just entered their 30's which could turn out to be negative moves in the long run, and a moves more greared towards the CL.

...both Hargreaves and Parker are in their mid-twenties.

Jim Comic

08-11-2006, 02:56 PM

I'd have loved to have seen United land Ballack, ..but Ballack chose Chelsea based on likelihood of European challenges.

based on the likelihood of flipping great wodges of cash i'd say

Lamps

08-11-2006, 02:59 PM

HE TRIED TO MAKE IT ONLY MATTERS IF ITS THE SEMI FINALS WHEN THEY GET BEATEN. FFS.

He's gone into complete meltdown since he decided to try and take on the SFI. You've got to admire the effort, but its men against boy in that respect. That semi final lark is the sort of shit Fitzy comes out with, and he was doing a Lame by refusing to answer the question a few days back. I always considered Stevie a midtable jobber, not anymore, he'll be in the running for idiot of the year if this keeps up

xvis

08-11-2006, 03:05 PM

based on the likelihood of flipping great wodges of cash i'd say

true,

£6 million a year does a lot of pursuading.

Rebelred

08-11-2006, 03:46 PM

good grief, two threads, one nearly 60 posts in length? because we got knocked out of the Carling cup!
In the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter one bit, so why are people even bothered?

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 03:54 PM

dotty

08-11-2006, 04:10 PM

good grief, two threads, one nearly 60 posts in length? because we got knocked out of the Carling cup!
In the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter one bit, so why are people even bothered?

still RR,you would prefer he sent out the kids and we lost,there was more than enough on the pitch last night to beat the southends of this world,had a funny feeling we could get done last night but will never bet against united.

still bigger and better things to look forward to hopefully.

Pez123

08-11-2006, 04:11 PM

Good..

Lamps

08-11-2006, 04:12 PM

It's United

The two morons who take up loads of the posts don't even watch the games

Stevie I'll be driving home about 4.30 today, will you throw a big shout out to the lads in the SFI, and play that police song Every Breath You Take.

cheers

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 04:15 PM

Stevie I'll be driving home about 4.30 today, will you throw a big shout out to the lads in the SFI, and play that police song Every Breath You Take.

cheers

Ha ha :)
I'm not on till 5 though

Lamps

08-11-2006, 04:17 PM

Ha ha :)
I'm not on till 5 though

I'll still be in the car I'd say. Its our theme tune

STEVIEG

08-11-2006, 04:19 PM

I'll still be in the car I'd say. Its our theme tune

I can only imagine

bricktop

08-11-2006, 04:23 PM

I'll still be in the car I'd say. Its our theme tune
i think something from the scissor sisters would be more appropiate

Lamps

08-11-2006, 04:34 PM

i think something from the scissor sisters would be more appropiate

who are you supposed to be ?

Langer Dan

08-11-2006, 05:18 PM

Yeah Smith looked tired and poor and Fergie had fuck all on the bench really
Evra more or less played as an attacking player
He started with a team that should have been good enough
Fair fucks to Southend though they fully deserved their victory i thought
United didn't really get behind them and were restricted to long range shots mainly (the keeper was class too)
A premiership move beckons for Eastwood perhaps?
United were pitiful, bar a few long range efforts from Ronny.

God help us if Saha gets injured going on last nights performance.
That said, its only yht league cup. In fairness we were hardly doing cartwheels when we won it last season.

Philby

08-11-2006, 05:37 PM

I don't know about that. For some of United's key younger player it was their first meaningful trophy in senior football & it was the Oomoa Loompa's first as captain. Added to that it added gloss to a pretty poor season by United's lofty standards.

They do look a bit gutted in their celebrations though.

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Langer Dan

08-11-2006, 05:41 PM

I don't know about that. For some of United's key younger player it was their first meaningful trophy in senior football & it was the Oomoa Loompa's first as captain. Added to that it added gloss to a pretty poor season by United's lofty standards.

They do look a bit gutted in their celebrations though.

When I said we I was obviously talking about the United supporters, obviously the players are going to enjoy winning any trophy.

As for talking up small trophies, Liverpool cant talk (Charity Shield anyone).

Its not much of a calamity for United to exit the League cup early, Im certainly not shedding any tears but as per usual Liverpool supporters are more worried about United Losses than Liverpool wins..

Philby

08-11-2006, 06:38 PM

Im certainly not shedding any tears but as per usual Liverpool supporters are more worried about United Losses than Liverpool wins..

That's such a mindless statement. I make it my business to attend/see every Liverpool game possible, if I see a United game it's either 'cos it's against another top side or I've got f*ck all else to do at the time.

While I freely admit that I wouldn't want to see united win a raffle, to say any true Liverpool supporter is more concerned about how United are getting on is very wide of the mark.

And nowhere did I make out that this is a huge calamity for United. It's clearly a distant 4th priority for all top clubs. What I did say though is that the manager fielded a team more than capable of winning but they severely under-performed for the 2nd League Cup game in a row. You can guarantee that a few harsh words were said after last night's game & not because of the implications that result had for their success in the competition.

Loftydog

08-11-2006, 10:04 PM

Lads ye know i know a lot about soccer. And I rate Parker highly, a far better player than Carrick or Hargreaves. In fact he combines the best of both those players.

I'd rather listen to the opinions of someone who is not a complete idiot

Loftydog

08-11-2006, 10:06 PM