Famous Sporting turncoats

[POL]

Hard to beat this Jim Stynes Prick


"The Irish got too caught up in the wrestling and all that stuff that went on in the first quarter. It took its toll. A lot of it was instigated by the Irish, there were a lot of yellow cards going their way. Geraghty tripped one of our guys out and the tackle was fair. I think he must have hit his head on the ground."

[STEVIEG]

Mo Johnston

[Lamps]

Hard to beat this Jim Stynes Prick


"The Irish got too caught up in the wrestling and all that stuff that went on in the first quarter. It took its toll. A lot of it was instigated by the Irish, there were a lot of yellow cards going their way. Geraghty tripped one of our guys out and the tackle was fair. I think he must have hit his head on the ground."

He sounds like Roddy Collins taking off Alf Stewart.

The man is a prick of epic proportions

[STEVIEG]

He sounds like Roddy Collins taking off Alf Stewart.

The man is a prick of epic proportions

Heh heh

[POL]

He sounds like Roddy Collins taking off Alf Stewart.

The man is a prick of epic proportions

puts the uncle into uncle tom

[Lamps]

Alan " if there's one club I'd never join its United" Smith
Wayne "Once a Blue always a Red" Rooney
Roy "I give you my word" Keane to Kenny Dalglish

[xvis]

Luis Figo

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2002/11/25/pig.gif

[STEVIEG]

Alan " if there's one club I'd never join its United" Smith
Wayne "Once a Blue always a Red" Rooney
Roy "I give you my word" Keane to Kenny Dalglish

Yeah, Smith should have stayed with Leeds and Keane should have went to Blackburn

[POL]

Alan " if there's one club I'd never join its United" Smith
Wayne "Once a Blue always a Red" Rooney
Roy "I give you my word" Keane to Kenny Dalglish

"The Keane handshake" its as good as his word

[Lamps]

Yeah, Smith should have stayed with Leeds and Keane should have went to Blackburn

do you know what turncoat means?

[STEVIEG]

do you know what turncoat means?


Yes

And the Keane thing is hearsay
And i don't really care anyway he made the best decision of his career by coming to United
and the three examples you've listed again show a healthy obsession with all things red
And what are you doing to mark Fergie's 20th year in charge?:)

[Lamps]

Yes

And the Keane thing is hearsay



"London - Kenny Dalglish is the latest soccer personality to come under fire from Roy Keane as The Times continued its serialisation of the Manchester United skipper's autobiography on Monday.

Writing about his move from Nottingham Forest to United in 1993, the Irish international said Dalglish "went crazy" after the player reneged on a handshake agreement to join Blackburn Rovers -then managed by Dalglish.

Keane said he had agreed to join Blackburn for £4-million (about R62m) but, after shaking hands with Dalglish on the deal, withdrew after being approached by United manager Alex Ferguson.

Ferguson took Keane to Manchester to discuss a move after telling him that as he had not signed any forms he was under no obligation to honour his verbal agreement."


TURNCOAT: One who traitorously switches allegiance.
a person who changes to the opposite party or faction, reverses principles, etc.; renegade

owned again 2me

[STEVIEG]

"London - Kenny Dalglish is the latest soccer personality to come under fire from Roy Keane as The Times continued its serialisation of the Manchester United skipper's autobiography on Monday.

Writing about his move from Nottingham Forest to United in 1993, the Irish international said Dalglish "went crazy" after the player reneged on a handshake agreement to join Blackburn Rovers -then managed by Dalglish.

Keane said he had agreed to join Blackburn for £4-million (about R62m) but, after shaking hands with Dalglish on the deal, withdrew after being approached by United manager Alex Ferguson.

Ferguson took Keane to Manchester to discuss a move after telling him that as he had not signed any forms he was under no obligation to honour his verbal agreement."


TURNCOAT: One who traitorously switches allegiance.
a person who changes to the opposite party or faction, reverses principles, etc.; renegade

owned again 2me

Did you ever hear about something called "the dotted line'?

I don't ever remember seeing Keane in a Blackburn jersey........

[Lamps]

Did you ever hear about something called "the dotted line'?

I don't ever remember seeing Keane in a Blackburn jersey........

so are you saying that Keane's word means nothing?

[STEVIEG]

so are you saying that Keane's word means nothing?

I'd take it over King Kenny's any day of the week

[Lamps]

I'd take it over King Kenny's any day of the week

answer the question, is Keane a man of his word?

[POL]

someone's arse is in the bacon slicer

[Lamps]

someone's arse is in the bacon slicer

two pages and i have him where i want him, whichever way he goes he loses.

classic SFI manouvre

[STEVIEG]

and in walks Curly

I wasn't there
I don't know what happened
I don't claim too
and I don't care

to quote a famous United song

"He coulda went to Blabburn or Arsenal cuz there shite
He went to Man united cuz their fucking dynamite"

Everyone else is over it
Except Ren and Stimpy

[EDDIEB]

I'd take it over King Kenny's any day of the week

Kenny Dalglish walking out on Liverpool and turning up at Blackburn 8 months later.

[POL]

two pages and i have him where i want him, whichever way he goes he loses.

classic SFI manouvre

great Keanite Counter insurgency tactic alright

[STEVIEG]

two pages and i have him where i want him, whichever way he goes he loses.

classic SFI manouvre


Read this thread again


http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=870 44




Slowly

[xvis]

Sol Campbell

Johnny Damon

[Lamps]

Right Stevie, lets lot let this thing get out of control here. Can you please answer me this?

Is Roy Keane a man of his word?

[MonTheHoops]

Eamonn Dunphy supporting Cameroon over the flag waving leprachauns

[EDDIEB]

Ashley Cole...if ever there was one.

[STEVIEG]

Right Stevie, lets lot let this thing get out of control here. Can you please answer me this?

Is Roy Keane a man of his word?


How am i supposed to know?
I've never really talked to him

[Forsberg]

Johnny Damon

Babe Ruth

[Philby]

To be fair Keane admitted in his book that he gave Kenny his word, was due to sign on Monday I believe, but was talked around by Fergie over the weekend. Maybe B'burn were complacent & should've pushed the deal through more quickly but it doesn't reflect well on Keane's integrity.

[Forsberg]

Sonia O Sullivan

[xvis]

Babe Ruth

Johnny kept saying there was no way he would play for the yankees


...what does he do? ...he gets the razor out.

[xvis]

Sonia O Sullivan

ouch!

[STEVIEG]

To be fair Keane admitted in his book that he gave Kenny his word, was due to sign on Monday I believe, but was talked around by Fergie over the weekend. Maybe B'burn were complacent & should've pushed the deal through more quickly but it doesn't reflect well on Keane's integrity.


Yup, a young footballer in indecision shocker
Does Gerrard's similar indecision make him less of a Liverpool player now?
No
The world has moved on from this
but Ren and Stimpy can't let go

http://i13.tinypic.com/2v1td3n.jpg

[Forsberg]

Johnny kept saying there was no way he would play for the yankees


...what does he do? ...he gets the razor out.


Ya . This Babe Ruth one was a semi-joke. Bt all accounts he was sold but he still made THAT move.


Damon is as bad as it gets really

[Lamps]

How am i supposed to know?
I've never really talked to him

what a cop out.

i'm still waiting for an answer. all your 3 stooges, ren and stimpy fumblings aren't going to get you off.

once again,

in your opinion is Roy Keane a man of his word?

p.s. use the book for some personal insight if you don't really know him. apparently he put his heart on his sleeve

[Sound]

Luis Figo.

Thread ends.

[POL]

Yup, a young footballer in indecision shocker
Does Gerrard's similar indecision make him less of a Liverpool player now?
No
The world has moved on from this
but Ren and Stimpy can't let go



"moving on" is merely a metaphor for saying "I can't defend this gurrier so I'll stick my head in the sand"

[STEVIEG]

what a cop out.

i'm still waiting for an answer. all your 3 stooges, ren and stimpy fumblings aren't going to get you off.

once again,

in your opinion is Roy Keane a man of his word?

p.s. use the book for some personal insight if you don't really know him. apparently he put his heart on his sleeve


He didn't write the book

and while you go off to celebrate another fictitious "Internet victory" i'll leave you with this

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=846 42&highlight=amadeus

[Actin The Sham]

Luis Figo.

Thread ends.



Should have ended about three pages ago so:

Luis Figo

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2002/11/25/pig.gif

[STEVIEG]

"moving on" is merely a metaphor for saying "I can't defend this gurrier so I'll stick my head in the sand"


I've defended him here for about 6 years but he is no longer a United player and like everyone else except you and the lap-dog, I'm a little bit bored of the whole thing

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=846 42&highlight=amadeus

[EDDIEB]

Yup, a young footballer in indecision shocker
Does Gerrard's similar indecision make him less of a Liverpool player now?
No
The world has moved on from this
but Ren and Stimpy can't let go

http://i13.tinypic.com/2v1td3n.jpg


Its ALWAYS Roy Keane and rugby nonsense.The 2 insufferable bores keep it up as that is their raison d'etre.

Ignore them !

[Lamps]

Langer Jermey says : Answer the question Stevie?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Paxmanajl.JPG

[POL]

He didn't write the book

and while you go off to celebrate another fictitious "Internet victory" i'll leave you with this

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=846 42&highlight=amadeus

He was happy to stand by everything in it untill the FA came knocking and frightened the shit out of him OVER THE hAALAND INCIDENT, then Dunphy suddenly had to take the wrap.

[Lamps]

He didn't write the book

and while you go off to celebrate another fictitious "Internet victory" i'll leave you with this

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=846 42&highlight=amadeus


WTF?

It was still his book, so Dunphy just made it up now?

Your losing all credibilty here Steve

[Sound]

Lads.

Give it a fucking rest.

[STEVIEG]

He was happy to stand by everything in it untill the FA came knocking and frightened the shit out of him OVER THE hAALAND INCIDENT, then Dunphy suddenly had to take the wrap.


Rap

I doubt Keane has read the book as much as you and Lamps

[Lamps]

Lads.

Give it a fucking rest.

stevie can end it by answering the question

its in his hands

[MonTheHoops]

There can be only one - Mo Johnston

Luis Figo is a defender of the faith in comparison

[Sound]

stevie can end it by answering the question

its in his hands

This is starting to reach Bob levels of tedium.

[homer jay]

cantona

you could argue paddy viera as well, but that'd open up a whole can of worms

[STEVIEG]

stevie can end it by answering the question

its in his hands


What part of "I don't know" do you not get


and nothing will end it

http://i14.tinypic.com/2d7yhon.jpg

Why do you think so many good posters don't post here anymore?

it's boring
Now can we talk about something else please

[STEVIEG]

cantona

you could argue paddy viera as well, but that'd open up a whole can of worms


Sheffield Wednesday to Leeds?

[Lamps]

This is starting to reach Bob levels of tedium.

How is carefully constructing an arguement to back someone into a corner tedious. Stevie with his hands over his ears saying "I can't hear you" is what's pathetic. If this was Lame everyone would be on his case.

[homer jay]

Sheffield Wednesday to Leeds?

mmmmm















no

[Sound]

How is carefully constructing an arguement to back someone into a corner tedious. Stevie with his hands over his ears saying "I can't hear you" is what's pathetic. If this was Lame everyone would be on his case.

It has zero to do with the realitive merits of your argument more the subject- as well you know.

We are bored of it.

[Lamps]

Stevie lets take "I don't know" out of the equation.

Going on Roy Keane's autobiography as well as Dalglish threatening to sue, which is all the evidence that's out there.

Is Roy Keane a man of his word?

[STEVIEG]

mmmmm















no

Oh you mean Howard Wilkinsons great transfer coup
Getting 1 million for his best player!

Don't get the turncoat bit though.........

[Forsberg]

Sissoko

[STEVIEG]

Dalglish threatening to sue


Did he win?

Handshakes are massive in legal circles

[Lamps]

It has zero to do with the realitive merits of your argument more the subject- as well you know.

We are bored of it.

Do you think Keane is a man of his word?

[Sound]

Sissoko

Surely Barmby would get in there before Momo for that particular sin?

[Lamps]

Did he win?

Handshakes are massive in legal circles

that's the point Stevie!! shit lad

He gave his WORD

[homer jay]

Sissoko

i thought everton only made a bid for him, and no negotiations had taken place?

[STEVIEG]

that's the point Stevie!! shit lad

He gave his WORD


Did he win the court case though?
I must have missed that bit

[homer jay]

Surely Barmby would get in there before Momo for that particular sin?

i was thinking of barmby as well. but the hatred was never there. abel xavier anyone? i'd say everton were happy to get rid of him. still he's the only guy (afaik) that has a 100% shots to goal ratio, a kind of anti-frank lampard.

[MonTheHoops]

Mo Johnston left Celtic and was re-signed by Celtic and paraded in the jersey before being unveiled as a Rangers player two days later. Figo, Cole, Vieira etc haven't done that. No one has come close to even doing that.

[Forsberg]

Surely Barmby would get in there before Momo for that particular sin?
Well , it would have , had he been a success at Liverpool but the downturn in his career after the move is enough payback for evertonians. Sissoko , on the otherhand is turning out to be a damn fine player.

[Actin The Sham]

Paul Ince.

First, for the way he left West Ham for Man United, and secondly, for the way he celebrated scoring in front of the Kop for Liverpool after equalising for them against United in (I think it was) the 98-99 season.

I know Beardsley left Liverpool for Everton, but I think that was Souness's fault for letting him go, rather then anything else.

[STEVIEG]

Mo Johnston left Celtic and was re-signed by Celtic and paraded in the jersey before being unveiled as a Rangers player two days later. Figo, Cole, Vieira etc haven't done that. No one has come close to even doing that.


add in all the other complications between the two clubs and he is the ultimate football turncoat
now if we could only stay on topic for awhile

Harry Redknapp?

[STEVIEG]

Paul Ince.

First, for the way he left West Ham for Man United, and secondly, for the way he celebrated scoring in front of the Kop for Liverpool after equalising for them against United in (I think it was) the 98-99 season.




Great example

[MonTheHoops]

Harry Redknapp?

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that? I know nothing of the circumstances that led up to him signing for City so maybe not a turncoat but thought someone steeped in United history etc wouldn't sign for City (Schmeichel signing baffled me too)

[homer jay]

[QUOTE=Actin The Sham]Paul Ince.

First, for the way he left West Ham for Man United, and secondly, for the way he celebrated scoring in front of the Kop for Liverpool after equalising for them against United in (I think it was) the 98-99 season.QUOTE]

was he not pushed out of utd rather than jumping ship?

[POL]

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that? I know nothing of the circumstances that led up to him signing for City so maybe not a turncoat but thought someone steeped in United history etc wouldn't sign for City (Schmeichel signing baffled me too)
but he didn't celebrate, so its ok in the mind of your common garden Utd fan

[homer jay]

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that?

especially scoring THAT backheeler.

[xvis]

re Keane....


Jon Obi Mikel!

..a man who went beyond even the dotted line.



..and regarding Figo,

even earlier in his career he signed contracts with TWO Italien clubs! Juve and Parma, getting him an Italien tranfer ban.

[STEVIEG]

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that? I know nothing of the circumstances that led up to him signing for City so maybe not a turncoat but thought someone steeped in United history etc wouldn't sign for City (Schmeichel signing baffled me too)

Schmeichel pissed people off (at the time) but Cole and Law and the others it didn't affect

Law walked away and didn't celebrate that goal which meant a lot
United were destined to go down anyway

Cole always got a good reception but Schmeichel is sufficiently removed from Ciddy to have affected his status, though his appearance on one of those Strictly Ballroom things recently didn't help

[MonTheHoops]

But neither United & Chelsea or Parma & Juve are great rivals.

[xvis]

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that? I know nothing of the circumstances that led up to him signing for City so maybe not a turncoat but thought someone steeped in United history etc wouldn't sign for City (Schmeichel signing baffled me too)

Law won respect from United fans that day.

..that lack of celebration is the greatest non-celebration of any goal. even the City players were wary of approaching him. United were pretty much already down anyway.

[Forsberg]

Paul Ince.

First, for the way he left West Ham for Man United, and secondly, for the way he celebrated scoring in front of the Kop for Liverpool after equalising for them against United in (I think it was) the 98-99 season.



Either instance doesn't really make him a turncoat though. An idiot , yes.

[STEVIEG]

was he not pushed out of utd rather than jumping ship?


It doesn't matter
He celebrated a goal in a game that his team never deserved to even draw (Thank you David Elleray) as if that team had won the treble
Well at least his former team mates had the last laugh a month or so later

[Lamps]

re Keane....


Jon Obi Mikel!

..a man who went beyond even the dotted line.



..and regarding Figo,

even earlier in his career he signed contracts with TWO Italien clubs! Juve and Parma, getting him an Italien tranfer ban.

no-one is disputing any of this.

Xvis, as united fans go, you seem to actually know a bit about soccer and sports.

Do you consider Keane a man of his word?

[MonTheHoops]

..that lack of celebration is the greatest non-celebration of any goal.

How is it the greatest non celebration of all time? Because it was United involved?

[STEVIEG]

How is it the greatest non celebration of all time? Because it was United involved?

yes

[homer jay]

How is it the greatest non celebration of all time? Because it was United involved?

careful mon, to criticise utd is just pure ABUism. nothing can detract from the red myth

[MonTheHoops]

yes

:lol:

Easy as that then. Greatest ever.

[xvis]

But neither United & Chelsea or Parma & Juve are great rivals.

yeah, but as regarding going back on your word.

Mikel signed a legal contract with United and a one month later signs another one.. ..baffling!

ditto Figo
..signs a contract with Parma, then signs a contract with Juve.

lunacy.

..granted they never played for the team,
and in this way I wouldn't consider Keane a turncoat as he never had an allegiance with Blackburn,
..alls fair in love and war and player contracts.

[STEVIEG]

Sarcasm bypass

[MonTheHoops]

Sarcasm bypass

I know it was Stevie, relax.

[STEVIEG]

relax.

I couldn't be more relaxed

[MonTheHoops]

I couldn't be more relaxed


Then tighten up, you're slipping old boy ;)

[Coin]

NBA player Carlos Boozer, formerly of Cleveland, now of Utah. Screwed Cleveland over so badly that his agent dropped him and refused the $2m fee he was due from the Utah signing. If your agent drops you, you've done something fairly dodgy, especially if that agent works for that bastion of sporting ideals, SFX.

By the way, the level of bias in this thread is shameful. Its a simple enough topic. Stop defending people from your own club just out of partisanship.

[xvis]

no-one is disputing any of this.

Xvis, as united fans go, you seem to actually know a bit about soccer and sports.

Do you consider Keane a man of his word?


I believe Keane was perfectly within his rights to change his mind.


He had the full intentions of playing for Blackburn after talking to Kenny, ..Alex stepped in and pursuaded him. Alex said, 'have you signed yet?', 'no'
, 'well just tell him you changed your mind'


To Roys credit he rang Kenny up and explained his about turn and took the abuse on the phone. ..It's tough, but so's life.


Generally, I would consider Roy Keane to be an honourable individual.

[STEVIEG]

By the way, the level of bias in this thread is shameful. Its a simple enough topic. Stop defending people from your own club just out of partisanship.


Examples?

[STEVIEG]

I believe Keane was perfectly within his rights to change his mind.


He had the full intentions of playing for Blackburn after talking to Kenny, Alex stepped in and pursuaded him. Alex said, 'have you signed yet?', 'no'
, 'well just tell him you changed your mind'


To Roys credit he rang Kenny up and explained his about turn and took the abuse on the phone. It's tough, but so's life.


Generally, I would consider Roy Keane to be an honourable individual.


Player power was a lot different in the early 90's
The pendulum has swung

[Actin The Sham]

It doesn't matter
He celebrated a goal in a game that his team never deserved to even draw (Thank you David Elleray) as if that team had won the treble
Well at least his former team mates had the last laugh a month or so later


Exactly, that was my point. Nice to hear the United fans singing Andy Cole's name when he came on for Pompey in the second half on saturday by the way.

As regards "non-celebrations" you have to admire Robbie Keane as well: even though his goal scoring celebrations are normally flambuoyant, the whole cartwheeling firing an arrow thing, whenever he has scored against one of his former clubs he has never celebrated as far as I know. This statement will, I am sure, be forensically examined by the "SFI" hence the "as far as I know."

[MonTheHoops]

Larsson for Barca v Celtic was muted by him too. He should have blazed it wide though.

[STEVIEG]

Exactly, that was my point. Nice to hear the United fans singing Andy Cole's name when he came on for Pompey in the second half on saturday by the way.

As regards "non-celebrations" you have to admire Robbie Keane as well: even though his goal scoring celebrations are normally flambuoyant, the whole cartwheeling firing an arrow thing, whenever he has scored against one of his former clubs he has never celebrated as far as I know. This statement will, I am sure, be forensically examined by the "SFI" hence the "as far as I know."


and in the interests of balance i also admitted earlier that you were right that he was also a prick for what he did to the Hammers (posing with United jersey before he had signed)

[Actin The Sham]

Larsson for Barca v Celtic was muted by him too. He should have blazed it wide though.

Yeah, I remember that, in fairness to him he just turned and walked away after scoring it.

[MonTheHoops]

and in the interests of balance i also admitted earlier that you were right that he was also a prick for what he did to the Hammers (posing with United jersey before he had signed)

Ironically, West Ham's Tevez wore a United jersey at a press conference while at his former club.

[STEVIEG]

Yeah, I remember that, in fairness to him he just turned and walked away after scoring it.


Cahill did the same against Millwall recently

Most honourable players would at least mute their celebrations a bit

[STEVIEG]

Ironically, West Ham's Tevez wore a United jersey at a press conference while at his former club.


Yeah He got hammered for it (if you pardon the pun) but i don't think there was much in it, he admitted as much himself

It would be like Ronaldo wearing a Boco Juniors training top walking around Manchester

[Actin The Sham]

and in the interests of balance i also admitted earlier that you were right that he was also a prick for what he did to the Hammers (posing with United jersey before he had signed)


Agreed.

He tried to blame his agent then as well, saying something like "I was going on my holidays and my agent told me to pose for the picture so that it could be released to the press while I was on holiday when he (the agent) had wrapped up the deal."

No wonder the hammers fans call him Judas.

[MonTheHoops]

Cahill did the same against Millwall recently

Most honourable players would at least mute their celebrations a bit


Shearer's gone nuts at Blackburn (Nazi salute swapped for Klinsmann dive)

Sutton's gone mental at Blackburn after scoring too.

Lua Lua went absolutely postal v Newcastle and more recently Kenny Miller v the unwashed.

[Pez123]

Denis Law-Scored one of the best goals ever, just walked away from goal and off the pitch, sent the scum down to division 2, class...

[STEVIEG]

Shearer's gone nuts at Blackburn (Nazi salute swapped for Klinsmann dive)

Sutton's gone mental at Blackburn after scoring too.

Lua Lua went absolutely postal v Newcastle and more recently Kenny Miller v the unwashed.


Don't know what the circumstances were with Shearer and Sutton but Lua Lua was deemed not good enough and not hungry for the barcodes i think

The circumstances are important but a bit of class is what we expect
Jose was a lot more in his rights to be running down the pitch after Porto's draw in OT cause his team WON the tie, at Barca last week it was for a draw
Paul Ince was for a draw too, its different if it had matterd that much to his present club who were playing for fuck-all

[xvis]

How is it the greatest non celebration of all time? Because it was United involved?

because he looked as if they'd taken all the puppies he'd ever had in his life and torched them all slowly before extracting all their nails with a pliers.

..followed by a whole host of other unpleasantries.


It's the anti-Ince.

[MonTheHoops]

Don't know what the circumstances were with Shearer and Sutton but Lua Lua was deemed not good enough and not hungry for the barcodes i think

The circumstances are important but a bit of class is what we expect
Jose was a lot more in his rights to be running down the pitch after Porto's draw in OT cause his team WON the tie, at Barca last week it was for a draw
Paul Ince was for a draw too, its different if it had matterd that much to his present club who were playing for fuck-all


Both got pelters off the Blackburn crowd considering they got a lot of money and good service off the two of them. Sutton also buoyed by the "Men against Bhoys" comments from the Beast.

Lua Lua shouldn't even have been playing that game as he was on loan - Newcastle stupid not to insert a clause.

[Sound]

Best celebration ever is still Temuri Ketsbaia for Newcastle a couple of years ago. What a mentaller.

[Lamps]

I believe Keane was perfectly within his rights to change his mind.


He had the full intentions of playing for Blackburn after talking to Kenny, ..Alex stepped in and pursuaded him. Alex said, 'have you signed yet?', 'no'
, 'well just tell him you changed your mind'


To Roys credit he rang Kenny up and explained his about turn and took the abuse on the phone. ..It's tough, but so's life.


Generally, I would consider Roy Keane to be an honourable individual.

Of course he had the option to change his mind.

But he didn't keep his word. That's all i wanted to know

[Coin]

Examples?
You overreacted to the Keane thing. One of the Liverpool lads also immediately came out and defended Ince. I find it all very predictable and boring.

[POL]

Cahill did the same against Millwall recently

Most honourable players would at least mute their celebrations a bit

hehe, honour and soccer in the same sentence, hehe

[xvis]

Exactly, that was my point. Nice to hear the United fans singing Andy Cole's name when he came on for Pompey in the second half on saturday by the way.

As regards "non-celebrations" you have to admire Robbie Keane as well: even though his goal scoring celebrations are normally flambuoyant, the whole cartwheeling firing an arrow thing, whenever he has scored against one of his former clubs he has never celebrated as far as I know. This statement will, I am sure, be forensically examined by the "SFI" hence the "as far as I know."

..and he's got a lot of former clubs



United generally have a lot of appection for former players, ...even the rubbish ones, ..Ralphie etc... there's a good old boys network, ..'once a red always a red' to paraphrase Rooney.

other than Ince, it's hard to think of another United player so disliked, ...it makes Ince's reaction at the Kop the act of a lunatic. ....he tarnished some good years at United in a bullshit attempt to perhaps sway over his new supporters.
...either that or he was rattled by the wizard calling him a 'big-time charlie' and completely lost the run of himself.

[Lamps]

You overreacted to the Keane thing. One of the Liverpool lads also immediately came out and defended Ince. I find it all very predictable and boring.

Didn'y Fergie come out and call Ince a big time charlie right before that game.

Demento and Mourinho are one and the same

[STEVIEG]

You overreacted to the Keane thing. One of the Liverpool lads also immediately came out and defended Ince. I find it all very predictable and boring.


Fair enough as fans we are biased and defensive by nature but I still don't think Keane had any affinity to Blackburn
You've got to remember that those instigating the Keane thing have a bigger agenda than anyone
but you are right
It's mind-numbingly boring

[bricktop]

Denis Law-Scored one of the best goals ever, just walked away from goal and off the pitch, sent the scum down to division 2, class...
did he relegate liverpool as well?

[MonTheHoops]

did he relegate liverpool as well?


I think this is what is referred to a staircase wit.

[bricktop]

David Unsworth

[Actin The Sham]

Des Lynam.

Went from BBC to ITV sport.

And Murray Walker, the bastard. Still, I suppose it was time for him to go, go, go.....

[Pez123]

did he relegate liverpool as well?
Errr, no I don't think so. I can remember Liverpool were division 1 champions 75/76 though. Law wasn't exactly a turncoat as he was sold, but it still rates as one of my favourite goals (a draw would have seen united go down anyway, but Law didn't know at the time, he was sub'd straight after scoring), I suppose Roy keane must take the title of most famous sporting turncoat, tragic how he sold his own nation out, mind, you have a long history of that...

[EDDIEB]

Des Lynam.

Went from BBC to ITV sport.

And Murray Walker, the bastard. Still, I suppose it was time for him to go, go, go.....


David Ike went from BBC Sports to the SFI........

[bricktop]

Errr, no I don't think so. I can remember Liverpool were division 1 champions 75/76 though. Law wasn't exactly a turncoat as he was sold, but it still rates as one of my favourite goals (a draw would have seen united go down anyway, but Law didn't know at the time, he was sub'd straight after scoring), I suppose Roy keane must take the title of most famous sporting turncoat, tragic how he sold his own nation out, mind, you have a long history of that...
i thought you were refering to liverpool when you mentioned 'scum'

[Carmona]

Christy Ring. Sure Cloyne have never recovered. The again neither have the Glen

[Actin The Sham]

David Ike went from BBC Sports to the SFI........


Heh heh heh.

:)

[MonTheHoops]

i thought you were refering to liverpool when you mentioned 'scum'

This is explaining staircase wit to someone who needs it explained to them. Terrible stuff bricktop.

[toffeebhoy]

None worse than Maurice Johnston, the little fucking cunt.

Nick Barmby, Alan Smith, Luis Figo, Brian Laudrup were other famous ones.

What about that west brit ponce that was commentating on the last olympics for BBC and kept referring to the brits as 'we'. Or for that matter the likes of Bob Wilson and Alan Hansen.

[Carmona]

Alan Hansen isn't a Brit?

[Pez123]

Alan Hansen isn't a Brit?
He is mate...the Scots would say he's English...

[ho chi feen]

Paul Ince.

First, for the way he left West Ham for Man United, and secondly, for the way he celebrated scoring in front of the Kop for Liverpool after equalising for them against United in (I think it was) the 98-99 season.

Still, I have happier memories from 1994. At Upton Park, Ince gets the barracking off his life before scoring to complete United's comeback from 2-0 down in the last minute, thus shutting the 'Ammers up proper.

[ho chi feen]

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that? I know nothing of the circumstances that led up to him signing for City so maybe not a turncoat but thought someone steeped in United history etc wouldn't sign for City (Schmeichel signing baffled me too)

AFAIK his wasn't the goal that put United down. Either it was another in the same game, or, I think more likely, results elsewhere that confirmed United's relegation.

Never had any problem with Schmeichel or Cole turning out for the Liars in the twilight of their careers, personally.

[ho chi feen]

Cahill did the same against Millwall recently

Most honourable players would at least mute their celebrations a bit

Luis Enrique was fully justified in giving the Spanish equivalent of 'Up yours!' to the Bernebéu faithful after scoring the clinching goal for Barca in a 3-2 win in 1997. Then again, I guess Incey could say the same. The difference is, he ended up looking like a fool once the dust settled.

[ho chi feen]

Julian Dicks

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[Loftydog]

Luis Enrique was fully justified in giving the Spanish equivalent of 'Up yours!' to the Bernebéu faithful after scoring the clinching goal for Barca in a 3-2 win in 1997. Then again, I guess Incey could say the same. The difference is, he ended up looking like a fool once the dust settled.

Yeah considering he celebrated the fact that he would have been stopping united winning the league when in fact that point helped them to win it. His old team mates winning the treble and him being shipped out on a free transfer. Shame

[ho chi feen]

Yeah considering he celebrated the fact that he would have been stopping united winning the league when in fact that point helped them to win it. His old team mates winning the treble and him being shipped out on a free transfer. The shame!

Typo corrected.

[toffeebhoy]

I can't believe nobody has highlighted Shawn Michael's disgraceful superkick on Marty Janetty through Brutus Beefcake's 'Barber Shop window.

That was the end of the Rockers.:(

[AmadeusDC]

I can't believe nobody has highlighted Shawn Michael's disgraceful superkick on Marty Janetty through Brutus Beefcake's 'Barber Shop window.

That was the end of the Rockers.:(

That's for the famous sports entertainment turncoats thread. Wrestling would have loads!!! :D

-AmadeusDC-

[ho chi feen]

I can't believe nobody has highlighted Shawn Michael's disgraceful superkick on Marty Janetty through Brutus Beefcake's 'Barber Shop window.

That was the end of the Rockers.:(

Sports forum... SPORTS forum... ahem

[Loftydog]

Typo corrected.

He he he

[raZor]

Declan Kidney Leinster to Munster flip the sides and there would have been war.

Didn't Fowler celebrate when he scored against the Pool for Man City last season or the season before that.

I'd have to agree with Shawm Michaels and Marty Jannetty kicked him through a window!!! Wrestling is not fake that like a Chuck Norris roundhouse.

[Forsberg]

Declan Kidney Leinster to Munster flip the sides and there would have been war.

Didn't Fowler celebrate when he scored against the Pool for Man City last season or the season before that.

I'd have to agree with Shawm Michaels and Marty Jannetty kicked him through a window!!! Wrestling is not fake that like a Chuck Norris roundhouse.


Firstly. rivalries created by beer companies don't count. ;)

And wasn't Fowler pretty much forced out of Liverpool by Houllier. All this PC stuff about not celebrating against your former club is getting out of hand. Sure, it's a nice jesture but that's all it is. I wouldn't start labelling players as turncoats for celebrating a goal no matter where it is

[Rebelred]

Yeah, and I know he's a United legend but Denis Law? He did relegate United. How do fans feel about that? I know nothing of the circumstances that led up to him signing for City so maybe not a turncoat but thought someone steeped in United history etc wouldn't sign for City (Schmeichel signing baffled me too)
wouldn't have Law down as a turncoat. He never played club football again after that, didn't take any pleasure from the fact he scored and overall, relegation was not down to that goal alone as other results went against United anyway

[POL]

what about Roy Keane turning his back on his country then returning? the ultimate traitor, the ultimate act of treachery

[STEVIEG]

what about Roy Keane turning his back on his country then returning? the ultimate traitor, the ultimate act of treachery

I reckon that one deserves a new thread

[raZor]

Firstly. rivalries created by beer companies don't count. ;)

And wasn't Fowler pretty much forced out of Liverpool by Houllier. All this PC stuff about not celebrating against your former club is getting out of hand. Sure, it's a nice jesture but that's all it is. I wouldn't start labelling players as turncoats for celebrating a goal no matter where it is

I agree end of the day they're professionals there to do a job, wouldn't get up my nose unless Djimi Traore scored a 92nd winner for Charlton in front of the Kop mind!

[ho chi feen]

I agree end of the day they're professionals there to do a job, wouldn't get up my nose unless Djimi Traore scored a 92nd winner for Charlton in front of the Kop mind!

Be careful what you wish for..!

[raZor]

ya im usually prone to the "that guys shit he'll never score....dangerhere" moments alright!

[ho chi feen]

I think we have a winner.

Fatty Ronaldo- 1996/97 Barcelona. "I love this club" said fatty Ronaldo, days before buying out his contract and fucking off to Milan "I feel we can have many successes in the years to come."

1997-2002 Internazionale. Signed for a world record fee, he proceeds to spend the best part of four years (on a world record salary) on the treatment table. Loooking fit and ready to make a comeback at the 2002 World Cup: "I love this club with all my heart. [Club president and eccentric multi-millionaire] Massimo Moratti is like a father to me. I will do everything to repay the faith he has shown in me throughout this difficult period." One Golden Boot later, he famously showed his gratitude by promptly scarpering off to Madrid as soon as his legs were able to carry his by-now portly figure, engineering a move for less than his market value.

2002-2007: Mixed times at Real Madrid. Loads of goals initially; loads of fried chicken washed down by buckets of coca cola in Madrid eateries stun the locals. The goals dry up, the fans begin to turn on him. Capello decides to make him a scapegoat.

2007: Decides to return to Milan. Not to Inter though; Instead he joins AC. 3 games into his time there, with 30,000 whistles distrubuted by Inter ultras, he opens the scoring in the Milan Derby, making the "I can't hear YOU!" gesture in the general direction of the Inter faithful.

What a man.

Ronaldo- I salute you.

[AmadeusDC]

I think we have a winner.

Fatty Ronaldo- 1996/97 Barcelona. "I love this club" said fatty Ronaldo, days before buying out his contract and fucking off to Milan "I feel we can have many successes in the years to come."

1997-2002 Internazionale. Signed for a world record fee, he proceeds to spend the best part of four years (on a world record salary) on the treatment table. Loooking fit and ready to make a comeback at the 2002 World Cup: "I love this club with all my heart. [Club president and eccentric multi-millionaire] Massimo Moratti is like a father to me. I will do everything to repay the faith he has shown in me throughout this difficult period." One Golden Boot later, he famously showed his gratitude by promptly scarpering off to Madrid as soon as his legs were able to carry his by-now portly figure, engineering a move for less than his market value.

2002-2007: Mixed times at Real Madrid. Loads of goals initially; loads of fried chicken washed down by buckets of coca cola in Madrid eateries stun the locals. The goals dry up, the fans begin to turn on him. Capello decides to make him a scapegoat.

2007: Decides to return to Milan. Not to Inter though; Instead he joins AC. 3 games into his time there, with 30,000 whistles distrubuted by Inter ultras, he opens the scoring in the Milan Derby, making the "I can't hear YOU!" gesture in the general direction of the Inter faithful.

What a man.

Ronaldo- I salute you.

Pretty good one. He'd probably line up for Argentina if he could and it suited him to be honest. I expect a short spell at Celtic to wind down his career followed by an even briefer spell at Rangers.......... keep the pattern going like. Class player though in my opinion and I stand by my statement that I think he'll be the top scorer in Italy next year barring a serious injury. -AmadeusDC-