International Rules

[CHANCE]

Well lads,are ye as annoyed over it. The brother was up at it.Wasnt it funny to see Paul Galvin,thinks hes the big fecking man in the GAA,acting like a little girl against the aussies. But to be fair the whole team was below par.

[MonTheHoops]

Im not long home from it. The 3rd quarter was extremely depressing. Don't think a performance has gotten to me like that in a long time. I know it's only International Rules but that whole 3rd quarter was embarrassing. 3 kicks into the keepers hands, one after another, was just not nice viewing.

Official attendace was given on the big screen as 82,167 or something like that, Definitely give as 82,1xx. A PR exercise, it was lucky if there was 60,000 there but the papers will all say 82,1xx tomorrow.

I was there for the shinty too, I'd LOVE to see Ireland put out a good side against them. They'd murder them. Frustrating game to watch as you want them to catch the ball when it looks like a catch is needed.

[CHANCE]

Im not long home from it. The 3rd quarter was extremely depressing. Don't think a performance has gotten to me like that in a long time. I know it's only International Rules but that whole 3rd quarter was embarrassing. 3 kicks into the keepers hands, one after another, was just not nice viewing.

Official attendace was given on the big screen as 82,167 or something like that, Definitely give as 82,1xx. A PR exercise, it was lucky if there was 60,000 there but the papers will all say 82,1xx tomorrow.

I was there for the shinty too, I'd LOVE to see Ireland put out a good side against them. They'd murder them. Frustrating game to watch as you want them to catch the ball when it looks like a catch is needed.


Ya i just saw the team that ireland put out for the shinty. Not one player i recognise.I know it wasnt the main event of the day,but twas a poor team.

How does the shinty/hurling game go ? Much different from the hurling ?

[MonTheHoops]

Ya i just saw the team that ireland put out for the shinty. Not one player i recognise.I know it wasnt the main event of the day,but twas a poor team.

How does the shinty/hurling game go ? Much different from the hurling ?


I saw it all today, a Kerryman with a hurley in his hand.

The shinty is pretty much like hurling but without catching it. Everything is played on the ground mostly. The shinty lads were impressive, knocking the ball over the bar off the ground from 45 yards. The Irish lads were fairly poor though there was a lovely goal scored. Like their Aussie counterparts, the Scots were fitter, stronger and more technical than the Irish.

[CHANCE]

I saw it all today, a Kerryman with a hurley in his hand.

The shinty is pretty much like hurling but without catching it. Everything is played on the ground mostly. The shinty lads were impressive, knocking the ball over the bar off the ground from 45 yards. The Irish lads were fairly poor though there was a lovely goal scored. Like their Aussie counterparts, the Scots were fitter, stronger and more technical than the Irish.

Jaysus impressive. Would need to have the catching part to be honest.In what way were the scots more technical than our lads ? Isint hurling more skillful than shinty(only have a vague knowledge of shinty)

[MonTheHoops]

Jaysus impressive. Would need to have the catching part to be honest.In what way were the scots more technical than our lads ? Isint hurling more skillful than shinty(only have a vague knowledge of shinty)


With the ball on the ground. They play with a kind of hockey stick so their ground play was much more skilful. Hurling itself would be much more skilful.

[CHANCE]

Kerrymen with hurls ? Doesn't seem right. Tis like a killkenny footballer.

[POL]

The thing I don't understand with this mockery of a game is that when it descends into farce why don't the Irish lads just lay out a few of these cowardly Aussie scum. Getting humiliated and pucked around in your own stadium is just not on, at least they should have done a right number on a couple of them. This game to me sums up the Australian mentality, ganging up on lads, sneaky belts and hitting lads when they are not looking. Scrap this mockery immediately, Sean Boylan is right, its a shit game anyway

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The thing I don't understand with this mockery of a game is that when it descends into farce why don't the Irish lads just lay out a few of these cowardly Aussie scum. Getting humiliated and pucked around in your own stadium is just not on, at least they should have done a right number on a couple of them. This game to me sums up the Australian mentality, ganging up on lads, sneaky belts and hitting lads when they are not looking. Scrap this mockery immediately, Sean Boylan is right, its a shit game anyway


That's the problem POL, I dont think we are capable of knocking out many of them. They're simply bigger and stronger.

[MonTheHoops]

I think the mockery is a group of professionals being able to train all week while the Irish lads had to go back to their respective jobs before the Croker game. We should send out the All-Star team in the shinty and tear the Scots a new one.

[Armitage Conway the 2nd]

is there any clips of the game. i missed it and they didnt have highlights anywhere last nite,

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I think the mockery is a group of professionals being able to train all week while the Irish lads had to go back to their respective jobs before the Croker game. We should send out the All-Star team in the shinty and tear the Scots a new one.


Most commemtators this morning are banging on about the intimidation etc but can that really explain why fellas lose their basic GAA skills?

[dotty]

Most commemtators this morning are banging on about the intimidation etc but can that really explain why fellas lose their basic GAA skills?

exactly some of the kicking yesterday was shocking,but for the jersey you would think they were australian coming to terms with the round ball,poor stuff,irrespective of the whole amateurs v pros argument,the fact its played with a round ball is meant to be to our advantage - something we let ourselves down with yesterday - badly.

[MonTheHoops]

exactly some of the kicking yesterday was shocking,but for the jersey you would think they were australian coming to terms with the round ball,poor stuff,irrespective of the whole amateurs v pros argument,the fact its played with a round ball is meant to be to our advantage - something we let ourselves down with yesterday - badly.

When watching the shinty yesterday there were times I was urging guys to catch the ball, and times when the went to catch the ball. It's instinct.

I'd like to see how these Aussie boys would fare if they were to stick to GAA rules i.e. no pulling & dragging. I reckon if they'd to do that and we had to use the other ball we'd win. They're nothing if not filthy dirty.

[Pez123]

When watching the shinty yesterday there were times I was urging guys to catch the ball, and times when the went to catch the ball. It's instinct.

I'd like to see how these Aussie boys would fare if they were to stick to GAA rules i.e. no pulling & dragging. I reckon if they'd to do that and we had to use the other ball we'd win. They're nothing if not filthy dirty.
Bollocks. Saw plenty of Irish players head-butting etc...you got bent over and buggered rotten, your kicking and passing was wank..stick to your GAA rules and play yourselves, that way you won't get bum-fucked...oh, you already do...

[KolaKubes]

Most commemtators this morning are banging on about the intimidation etc but can that really explain why fellas lose their basic GAA skills?

Absolutely.

This hiding behind the "amateurs vs pros" and that the Aussies were dirty, the thing I took from the last few games (relative to the first Colm O'Rourke managed Rules side) is that the basic footballing in Gaelic is deteriorating disgracefully and something urgent needs to be done.

Every year, Kerry are the default winners of the All Ireland because they're the only county that concentrates first on foremost on having the basics of a good production line of well-coached youngsters with the full range of skills coming through.

The rest of the counties just make do using tactical fiddling, running, running and more running. The hand pass is only used because it allows otherwise useless "footballers" to be welded into the team where their running, running, more running, dragging and more dragging is valuable.

I actually think the argument that our lads are too small or not fit enough is bullshit. The one thing most GAA intercounty teams do now is fitness and there were small Aussies out there too who were well able to hold their own against the Irish.

It looks to me that Ulster football, blanket defences and the handpass have landed us with a generation of "top players" who aren't related to footballers and look just as useless as they are when removed from the safety net of carefully constructed tactical formations and styles of play.

I say mockery.

Beyond that, though, the series (which I've enjoyed in the past) needs to take a break while the Aussies go and have a look at themselves and try and remember in those thick thick heads of theirs that this is, after all, an exhibition game AND the Irish need to go and have a root and branch look at how the fact that the Aussies outplayed us (not just outmuscled us) for the second or third year running.

[KolaKubes]

The shinty lads were impressive, knocking the ball over the bar off the ground from 45 yards.

That's nothing, I've done it from 65 before and 45 would be well within my range.

[Lamps]

That's nothing, I've done it from 65 before and 45 would be well within my range.

really?

[Lamps]

Absolutely.

This hiding behind the "amateurs vs pros" and that the Aussies were dirty,

But that is the reason. You just can't belittle this.
I really can't believe people don't actually get this. The irish players weren't even allowed take the week off work. You saw how the ladies got on when it was amateurs v amateurs.

[MonTheHoops]

Bollocks. Saw plenty of Irish players head-butting etc...you got bent over and buggered rotten, your kicking and passing was wank..stick to your GAA rules and play yourselves, that way you won't get bum-fucked...oh, you already do...

1/10

[KolaKubes]

really?

Yes. Just doubled on it and, better yet, I meant it.

Course my mong of a coach at half time "did ye see that point by "KK" there lads, that's the sort of thing I'm looking for, if he can do it any of ye can do it".

For fuck's sake like, cheers man, if I were completely shit and it had been a fluke twould have been fair enough but I was handy enough.

WGH selectors though, morons. We had Eamonn Ryan coaching us in Primary School and we were better prepared than anyone in the county at the age. He was brilliant. Still is I suspect.

Then years of morons coaching us. Basic skills ignored (mainly because these were the sort of fuckwit, talentless corner backs who typically stay involved after they retire from playing and could never play themselves) and, sure enough, by the time even the good young fellas get up towards junior/intermediate we're a shambles.

You know the way the county board and GAA at the central level are sending "missions" out to hurling backwaters to try and teach them the game, the Hill could do with that. Bride Rovers were rubbish underage but have stormed past the Hill and gone on to bigger and better things in recent years. They have a better pool of talent down there but, more than that, they know what they're doing.

The Hill has such idiots running its GAA that they hounded Eamonn Ryan out of the place, one of the top coaches in the county in football and hurling.

[MonTheHoops]

KK,

I was talking about shinty players knocking it over the bar from the ground, not a sideline puck.

[KolaKubes]

But that is the reason. You just can't belittle this.
I really can't believe people don't actually get this. The irish players weren't even allowed take the week off work. You saw how the ladies got on when it was amateurs v amateurs.

I don't give a shit about the Australians. From the time they resurrected the series, it was fairly obvious to me that despite their "professional" status, their game wasn't played at any higher a level than ours.

What's troubling me is that we're now failing at this rather surmountable hurdle quite easily and it suggests a decline in the game here. I wouldn't be in a position to judge but there's an improvement in the general kicking of the Aussies that suggests that someone down there has been smart enough to take on board some of the superior skills that the Gaelic players demonstrated.

Anyone into their AFL? Has their been an improvement in kicking from more awkward angles in the years since the rules series came in?

The Irish, in contrast, have done the classic GAA thing and disappeared up our own hole. We now have a Championship that is "more competitive" but which is filled with mundane encounters marked by bad bad footballers.

If the series survives and if the Irish are serious about winning it, they'll have to focus on playing our own game and drop the fucking handpassing.

Christ, the number of bad handpasses looped up for fellas, inviting him to be cleaned out of it.

Are they stupid or what?

Even in Primary School we were taught IF you opt for a handpass (though we were encouraged to go for accurate passes with the foot) you hit the ball hard and into the guys chest. All this handpassing in football now and it's not even done right.

[KolaKubes]

KK,

I was talking about shinty players knocking it over the bar from the ground, not a sideline puck.

I'm talking about scoring a point off the ground from play too.

Doubled on it out the middle of the park and straight over the bar.

Sweet. ;)

[Lamps]

I'm talking about scoring a point off the ground from play too.

Doubled on it out the middle of the park and straight over the bar.

Sweet. ;)

are you sure it wasn't the 45?

there aren't many intercounty players who could deliberatley double on the ball from the 65 and put it over the bar and mean it. maybe eoin kelly

[KolaKubes]

are you sure it wasn't the 45?

there aren't many intercounty players who could deliberatley double on the ball from the 65 and put it over the bar and mean it. maybe eoin kelly

Nope, though I didn't get out a tape and measure it, it was definitely out around the 65 yard line.

That was U16 as well.

I never did it after though as i settled on quite a light 35 stick thereafter and wouldn't have had that range with it. The hurley I had on the day had quite a heavy bas and was a 36.

I wouldn't blame ye for not believing me though, I was fairly fucking surprised myself when it went over! :D

[Pure Magic]

Kolakubes - the kicking in the AFL is alot different as they tend to kick the ball straight on as opposed to the GAA players who naturally kick the ball around the body. Where the irish are falling down in the series is that they take the ball into the tackle too often where as the aussie move the ball at such opace it's unbelieveable. The pace the aussies moved thier game to in the 3 qtr yesterday was unreal - the Irish lads just could not live with it. It's quite obvious too that the aussies are alot more tactically astute than the irish.

[KolaKubes]

Kolakubes - the kicking in the AFL is alot different as they tend to kick the ball straight on as opposed to the GAA players who naturally kick the ball around the body. Where the irish are falling down in the series is that they take the ball into the tackle too often where as the aussie move the ball at such opace it's unbelieveable. The pace the aussies moved thier game to in the 3 qtr yesterday was unreal - the Irish lads just could not live with it. It's quite obvious too that the aussies are alot more tactically astute than the irish.

But what I'd like to see is that the Gaelic Football teams here look at what aspects of the Aussie's play (within the rules) that were effective against the cream of our footballers and that can be applied to our own coaching.

For example, relating to that, Kerry were notably able to soak up pressure and attack with pace and accuracy in the latter stages of the championship.

[Rebel Yell]

The kick is very evidently missing from our game.....it's a vanishing skill...even the best counties this year displayeda shocking lack of ability in this regard.

However, as a viewer of the AFL, the kick is a very important part of the game, and I would think that adapting from kicking their ball to the round football would be a quite manageable skill, as has been displayed this past week.

I actually find the hybrid game better than either individual version, and with a few adjustments, it would be great game to play/watch.

One of the major things holding the game back is the different physical attributes required by both individual codes....the Aussies superior upper body strength, which is necessary for the tackle requirements of their game, gives them the advantage over our guys at the moment. This is very evident, as in the tackle on Geraghty yesterday - legal, but we did not know how to 'fall' correctly - another thing we need to learn for the compromise version.

[MonTheHoops]

I'm talking about scoring a point off the ground from play too.

Doubled on it out the middle of the park and straight over the bar.

Sweet. ;)


Yeah but I mean from dead balls, not pulling on it on the fly. Though I agree, you're brillioant ;)

[Pablo Escobar Gaviria]

why don't the Irish lads just lay out a few of these cowardly Aussie scum. Getting humiliated and pucked around in your own stadium is just not on,

erm, one slight problem with that idea.


all the Irish boys couldn't beat the Aussie ladies, never mind trying to take on ONE Australian.

[KolaKubes]

erm, one slight problem with that idea.


all the Irish boys couldn't beat the Aussie ladies, never mind trying to take on ONE Australian.

I've never seen an Irish side (until the last two years) be unable to deal with the physicality of the Aussies in the fair sense.

Shoulders to the face, that's not "tough" it's just dirt.

I got the suspicion the only reason the Aussies didn't unleash the full gamut of their disgusting behaviour from last year was not developing a bit of cop on but just fear that they'd be lynched by the crowd or something.

The way it's developing, we might as well send out Ireland's B rugby team next year.

I'm very disappointed, I used look forward to this series but clearly the Aussies are such a cuntish crowd that winning at all costs is more important than the preservation of an interesting competition.

I think this is the end of it, prick he might be, but someone like Geraghty can't be putting his health at risk like that when these guys have work in the morning.

It's not just a failure of the Aussies approach, however, it's a failure of the referees to try and ensure the game was played in a tough but fair manner. If you're not going to throw out red cards for players off either team throwing punches and the like, what's really the point.

Personally speaking, it comes as no surprise to me, the Australians are the most classless, graceless sporting nation in the world and I know quite a few Irish people who even shout for England's rugby players against them.

Fucking colonials. :P

[Pablo Escobar Gaviria]

Personally speaking, it comes as no surprise to me, the Australians are the most classless, graceless sporting nation in the world


you forgot one, most successful sporting nation in the world.

if we could only learn that winning attitude we wouldn't have to spend so much time whining about losing and complaining about the opposition all the time

[POL]

you forgot one, most successful sporting nation in the world.


where did you pull that one out of?

[In da Lough Like]

I'm very disappointed, I used look forward to this series but clearly the Aussies are such a cuntish crowd that winning at all costs is more important than the preservation of an interesting competition.

Personally speaking, it comes as no surprise to me, the Australians are the most classless, graceless sporting nation in the world

Very true. Oh, and the Aussie manager had the cheek to say this afterwards:

"Every time Australia wins - the series is coming to the end," Sheedy said. "(You're) unbelievable. You're (the Irish) the greatest con men I've ever met."

[KolaKubes]

you forgot one, most successful sporting nation in the world.

if we could only learn that winning attitude we wouldn't have to spend so much time whining about losing and complaining about the opposition all the time

Ah, well I think Australia's sporting success is largely the result of being a nation of braindead jocks in fairness.

The intellectuals they pop up have to fuck off to England.

Australia = America with less class.

They even have their own cabal of hawkish neo-cons.

Strewth.

[KolaKubes]

Very true. Oh, and the Aussie manager had the cheek to say this afterwards:

"Every time Australia wins - the series is coming to the end," Sheedy said. "(You're) unbelievable. You're (the Irish) the greatest con men I've ever met."

That's enough for me.

Let them fuck off back to that godforsaken corner of the globe and don't be bothering our barworkers any more.

I'd say they lack magnanimity but they wouldn't understand me, mutton heads.

[POL]

Kevin Sheedy eh? did you see the state of the big sheep abusing head on him, no doubt his grandfathers were sheep abusers from west of Ireland shit hole with a name like that

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Sheedy has a point. What is being lost in all the furore about the violence etc is that Ireland were abject and were well beaten in the game. As well as a lack of basic skills the tactics from Boylan were ludicrous. When we have beaten the Aussies it was by running the ball and intricate play. The constant taking of marks slowed the game down giving the Aussie defenders all the time in the world to regroup. And the puck-outs were just stupid.

It's sour grapes to be calling to an end to it when we get our arses handed to us.

[KolaKubes]

It's sour grapes to be calling to an end to it when we get our arses handed to us.

But the quality of the game was rubbish. It's been much better than that in years gone by AND it's been competitive.

Granted, though, Ireland's standard has dropped markedly and just blaming it all on the Aussies being mean is wrong.

These are separate issues.

Whether the series should continue because of how violent they've become.

Why are Ireland getting walloped more often than not now.

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Rules series 'hanging by a thread' - Brennan
Monday, 06 November 2006 2:10

Nicky Brennan claimed that the International Rules series could be at an end

GAA President Nicky Brennan has sensationally revealed that in his view the International Rules series could be over.

Brennan's comments follow the shamefully violent scenes that marred the second Test between Ireland and Australia at Croke Park yesterday.


There were several ugly punch-ups throughout the game and Ireland's Graham Geraghty was knocked unconscious and spent the night in hospital.

Irish management accused the Australians of deliberately targeting Geraghty among other players and were incensed that the Australian referee did not send anyone off.

Brennan said the GAA will consult with managers, players and various committees but that at the moment the series 'is hanging by a thread'.

He added that the GAA apologised to all those who attended yesterday's match, particularly to the 20,000 children who viewed a contest he described as 'a major embarrassment to the organisation.'

Brennan went on to condemn the violence, and claimed that it is possible that an Irish team will not travel to Australia next year.

[Pure Magic]

This man was just looking for an excuse to do this. I will be so mad if finishes the series - how does that make us look. A joke !!!. The first quarter saw all the trouble yesterday adn at that Irelland were just as guilty as Aus. Galvin head butted a guy and was yellow carded before the game started. Sad though it is to see a player (Gerahty) get injured like that, it was a total accident what happened. Fool Canning on the telly was going on about a spear tackle - that man is an absolute joke and needs to stop analysing games and just commentate on whats happening.

[Pablo Escobar Gaviria]

It's sour grapes to be calling to an end to it when we get our arses handed to us.
year after year...
we were an embarrassment.

just goes to show where our lads stand internationally, nowhere.
thank god the highest our lads can go is an "All Ireland" any higher we would lose every time.

[Dripsey23]

The best moment for me yesterday was seeing Paul Galvin being sorted out by Bateman. Galvin thinks he's a "hard man". He found out why he isn't yesterday. He was a very quiet boy after that.

[Teknique]

Irish afraid to throw a punch , Aussies not

simple as......

[POL]

year after year...
we were an embarrassment.

just goes to show where our lads stand internationally, nowhere.
thank god the highest our lads can go is an "All Ireland" any higher we would lose every time.

well maybe if they were full time professionals they might put up a better show

[Actin The Sham]

well maybe if they were full time professionals they might put up a better show


I agree. Still, I look forward to the full time professionals of the IRFU putting on a better show at the stadium next year. Croke Park deserves to see a professional Irish team on display, rather then those amateurs yesterday.

[POL]

Send out the Irish B rugby team, 15 creatine abusing jocks who do nothing but pump weights 8 hours a day would put up a good fight

[Actin The Sham]

Send out the Irish B rugby team, 15 creatine abusing jocks who do nothing but pump weights 8 hours a day would put up a good fight


someone's rattled, and badly rattled at that

[raZor]

Why were the Irish still going for over with 5 minutes to go and on the wrong end of a hammering.
Watching the Rugby League one of the Aussies was at it as well knocked a guy out with a punch then almost took anothers head off with a late tackle, ref didnt see it during the game but now he got a 1 match band and a £2000 fine.Joke.

[Pablo Escobar Gaviria]

Send out the Irish B rugby team, 15 creatine abusing jocks who do nothing but pump weights 8 hours a day would put up a good fight

not even that send out the ladies footballers, they would have put up a better fight.
wimps the whole lot of them.