Twenty Years of Fergie!

[KolaKubes]

Surely Irish players would have to be classed as foreign???

Major problems implementing a barrier on Welsh, Northern Irish, Scottish players being classified as foreign seeing as they all hold the same passport.

I would think they'd make allowances for Rep of Ireland passport holders in light of the situation in Northern Ireland as well, would be a minefield otherwise. Noting that holding a British passport would be a major boon to any soccer player in these islands.

Failing that, you're talking 18 out of 33 players with British passports in the Utd first team squad.

I suspect that beats Arsenal easily and probably Liverpool but I'm not going to go check.

In any case, UEFA is introducing de facto foreigner rules from next year with its limitations about "home grown" players in European competition. That's why the English clubs have being bringing in lads at a younger and younger age sure.

[Lamps]

Major problems implementing a barrier on Welsh, Northern Irish, Scottish players being classified as foreign seeing as they all hold the same passport.

I would think they'd make allowances for Rep of Ireland passport holders in light of the situation in Northern Ireland as well, would be a minefield otherwise. Noting that holding a British passport would be a major boon to any soccer player in these islands.

Failing that, you're talking 18 out of 33 players with British passports in the Utd first team squad.

.

The foreigner rule as it used to be applied was for all NON ENGLISH players to be seen as foreigners. FFS Kola, you used to even follow soccer when this was about.

[Lamps]

ps Kola throw up the list of the 18 British players int the United squad

[Actin The Sham]

They were back in the 90's

Remember Denis Irwin was classed as "assimilated."


Resistance Is Futile......

http://sunpig.com/martin/images/2002/09/borg_the_builder.jpg

[kevinbitzz]

ps Kola throw up the list of the 18 British players int the United squad

i had a quick look at the liverpool squad and there is 16 english, 1 scot, and 1 irish, but i would have to say only 6 or 7 could be regulars (1 or 2 more maybes) in the 1st team squad

[KolaKubes]

The foreigner rule as it used to be applied was for all NON ENGLISH players to be seen as foreigners. FFS Kola, you used to even follow soccer when this was about.

Well, duh. That was that foreigner rule.

He wants six players in each starting XI to be eligible for the national team of the country where the league is based

All players from Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are legally eligible for the English national team Lamps. It arises from the British passport/citizenship situation and is only circumvented by the home nations having a gentleman's agreement to only field players that have at least a grandparent.

Look it up.

What I'm saying is that if this rule comes in, it will have to make exceptions for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales at least, otherwise it would be in the professional interests of a Giggs or a Fletcher never to tog out for their own country.

Similarly, because of the situation in the North, where Nationalists like to make use of their right to an Irish passport, exercising that right will severely restrict them in their trade. Indeed, technically, you could even get lads from here trying to get British passports.

I would think they'll make an exception for ROI players for this reason, the FAI would push for it.

All in all, Fergie has looked at the situation and realised that even if it would mean some problems for his club, it would mean catastrophic problems for his main rivals. He's not thinking about the rights and wrongs of it, just doing his job. It will give a competitive edge back to the clubs that prefer to go with British and Irish players. Tough sh*t Arsene.

I'm all for it anyway, case you haven't guessed. ;)

[Lamps]

Well, duh. That was that foreigner rule.



All players from Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are legally eligible for the English national team Lamps. It arises from the British passport/citizenship situation and is only circumvented by the home nations having a gentleman's agreement to only field players that have at least a grandparent.

Look it up.

What I'm saying is that if this rule comes in, it will have to make exceptions for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales at least, otherwise it would be in the professional interests of a Giggs or a Fletcher never to tog out for their own country.

Similarly, because of the situation in the North, where Nationalists like to make use of their right to an Irish passport, exercising that right will severely restrict them in their trade. Indeed, technically, you could even get lads from here trying to get British passports.

I would think they'll make an exception for ROI players for this reason, the FAI would push for it.

All in all, Fergie has looked at the situation and realised that even if it would mean some problems for his club, it would mean catastrophic problems for his main rivals. He's not thinking about the rights and wrongs of it, just doing his job. It will give a competitive edge back to the clubs that prefer to go with British and Irish players. Tough sh*t Arsene.

I'm all for it anyway, case you haven't guessed. ;)

jesus you are so full of shit.

are you gonna post up that list

[KolaKubes]

ps Kola throw up the list of the 18 British players int the United squad

Have a look at the first team squad as on the official club site.

33 players
18 British
2 Irish

Reserve and Youth ranks are predominantly British as well.

We could cope more than adequately with the change in ruling.

As a GAAhead, you should be all for this anyway.

"This is a local league for local people". ;)

[Actin The Sham]

Well, duh. That was that foreigner rule.



All players from Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are legally eligible for the English national team Lamps.

Not if they have already declared for their home country: example Fletcher, Gibson, etc.....

[KolaKubes]

jesus you are so full of shit.

are you gonna post up that list

Great retort.

Now, try again and this time point out where I'm wrong.

All British passport holders are eligible for the English national team under FIFA's rules.

[KolaKubes]

Not if they have already declared for their home country: example Fletcher, Gibson, etc.....

I thought of that. Also, Evans from NI.

However, take the Gibson situation, given an "English eligible" player will now have a huge advantage in terms of making the grade at Utd under this new rule, it would be in his interest to not only not turn out for the Republic but also not to turn out for NI. At senior level at least.

They'll have to make an exception there but I'm right in what I say. All British passport holders are eligible for any home country.

[Lamps]

Have a look at the first team squad as on the official club site.

33 players
18 British
2 Irish

Reserve and Youth ranks are predominantly British as well.

We could cope more than adequately with the change in ruling.

As a GAAhead, you should be all for this anyway.

"This is a local league for local people". ;)

post up the list like a good lad, then we'll see the merits of this

[Lamps]

I thought of that. Also, Evans from NI.

However, take the Gibson situation, given an "English eligible" player will now have a huge advantage in terms of making the grade at Utd under this new rule, it would be in his interest to not only not turn out for the Republic but also not to turn out for NI. At senior level at least.

They'll have to make an exception there but I'm right in what I say. All British passport holders are eligible for any home country.

can you give me the link for this "English eligible" thing that you are basing all of this on

i want to take a sconse at it

[KolaKubes]

post up the list like a good lad, then we'll see the merits of this

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid= {91EA3BE2-963A-4BAB-802C-F46A0EF3FCA3}&page=1

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid= {91EA3BE2-963A-4BAB-802C-F46A0EF3FCA3}&teamid=458&page=2

[Lamps]

They'll have to make an exception there but I'm right in what I say. All British passport holders are eligible for any home country.

so would i be right in saying that you are basing all this on the scots/welsh/irish turning their backs on their countries?

[KolaKubes]

can you give me the link for this "English eligible" thing that you are basing all of this on

i want to take a sconse at it

http://www.timesonline.co.u k/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article2821058.ece

[KolaKubes]

so would i be right in saying that you are basing all this on the scots/welsh/irish turning their backs on their countries?


http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5invqitCVO4fALX lxa0RYvHggXmTA

Do you think our friend Stephen would think twice?

In fairness, not fair to single out a peculiar w*nker for this, any Irish lad hoping to make a career for himself at club level in England would be very well advised not to tog out for his country.

Not unless he fancies playing Championship football at any rate.

[STEVIEG]

"This is a local league for local people". ;)

I presume you are messing here

United have always been very much a club who have looked beyond the confines of their locality, while maintaining it's importance too

European Cup campaigns in the 50's
Irish and Scot managers and players
Business expansion
International players from all around the Europe and the world for a long time
etc etc etc

They are the furtherest you can be from a Little Englander mentality

[Lamps]

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid= {91EA3BE2-963A-4BAB-802C-F46A0EF3FCA3}&page=1

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid= {91EA3BE2-963A-4BAB-802C-F46A0EF3FCA3}&teamid=458&page=2

just as i suspected, half the english ones are a bunch of no marks or lads no where near the grade.

i knew this is why you wouldn't post it up.


exposed lad, and badly exposed at that.

eckersly
heaton
martin
eagles
campbell
ffs

[Lamps]

http://www.timesonline.co.u k/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article2821058.ece

so basically you are basing your theory on the assumption that players need to turn their backs on their country.

real forward thinking by you again.

you're so full of shit its unreal, you kind of remind me of a poor mans conor cruise o brien who concentrates mainly on bumslapping issues

[Barry Scott]

so basically you are basing your theory on the assumption that players need to turn their backs on their country.


Surely any player would rather play for ManU than their own country?

[Lamps]

Surely any player would rather play for ManU than their own country?

for some, ManYoo > Watergrasshill

[KolaKubes]

just as i suspected, half the english ones are a bunch of no marks or lads no where near the grade.

i knew this is why you wouldn't post it up.


exposed lad, and badly exposed at that.

eckersly
heaton
martin
eagles
campbell
ffs

And how does any of that detract from my statement that there were 18 English lads in our squad of 33?

Incidentally, Eagles and Campbell have both turned out for the first XI this season in meaningful competition.

Can we exclude Dong and JOS from the equation as well seeing as they're clearly not up to scratch (terminally so in JOS' case)?

so basically you are basing your theory on the assumption that players need to turn their backs on their country.

real forward thinking by you again.

you're so full of shit its unreal, you kind of remind me of a poor mans conor cruise o brien who concentrates mainly on bumslapping issues

Gibberish followed by personal abuse.

Classic Lamps when he's rattled.

"Theory" "assumption".

Utd will be at least as competitive domestically as they are now with a foreigner rule brought in.

Arsenal will be f*cked.

I dunno what you're getting your knickers in a twist about, this is Fergie at his classic, ruthless best.

Stevie is rambling on there about Utd as an "international" club.

Come off the stage Stevie.

They're an English club with strong roots in the rest of Britain and Ireland.

This rule is designed to stop clubs opting to not bother with developing and nurturing talent within their own domestic base in favour of cheap and cheerful foreign imports by the dozen.

I see no problem with it and would welcome club football in Europe returning to less homogenised and far more interesting days.

The talk of Arsenal "representing England" in the CL final two years ago was hilarious. Real Madrid were more English at the time.

[KolaKubes]

Surely any player would rather play for ManU than their own country?

I'd be hopeful that Scholes, Neville, Giggs would happily have sacrificed international football to pursue their Utd careers.

As I sat in the stands after the 'Hill lost out to Carrig in the hurling, I must say, I did think of the "Man U > Watergrasshill" comment and couldn't agree with it any longer.

However, Man U >> ROI soccer team.

[STEVIEG]

And how does any of that detract from my statement that there were 18 English lads in our squad of 33?

Incidentally, Eagles and Campbell have both turned out for the first XI this season in meaningful competition.

Can we exclude Dong and JOS from the equation as well seeing as they're clearly not up to scratch (terminally so in JOS' case)?





So exclude John O'shea, he of two titles

and include Chris Eagles

That is bollocks i'm afraid

[STEVIEG]

I'd be hopeful that Scholes, Neville, Giggs would happily have sacrificed international football to pursue their Utd careers.


Agree on that, but try telling the same to Ronaldo or someone

[Lamps]

And how does any of that detract from my statement that there were 18 English lads in our squad of 33?

Incidentally, Eagles and Campbell have both turned out for the first XI this season in meaningful competition.

Can we exclude Dong and JOS from the equation as well seeing as they're clearly not up to scratch (terminally so in JOS' case)?



Gibberish followed by personal abuse.

Classic Lamps when he's rattled.

"Theory" "assumption".

Utd will be at least as competitive domestically as they are now with a foreigner rule brought in.

Arsenal will be f*cked.

I dunno what you're getting your knickers in a twist about, this is Fergie at his classic, ruthless best.

Stevie is rambling on there about Utd as an "international" club.

Come off the stage Stevie.

They're an English club with strong roots in the rest of Britain and Ireland.

This rule is designed to stop clubs opting to not bother with developing and nurturing talent within their own domestic base in favour of cheap and cheerful foreign imports by the dozen.

I see no problem with it and would welcome club football in Europe returning to less homogenised and far more interesting days.

The talk of Arsenal "representing England" in the CL final two years ago was hilarious. Real Madrid were more English at the time.

You're so full of shit.

Anderson, Nani, VDS, Vidic, Ronaldo, Giggs, Tevez, Saha, all the key players bar Rooney are foreign big money buys.

Trying to argue having a few lads from the youth scheme who'll be sold off to preston in a few years makes United more English.

What a joke.

[STEVIEG]

They're an English club with strong roots in the rest of Britain and Ireland.



Contradiction central

Is Ireland in England?

[STEVIEG]

This rule is designed to stop clubs opting to not bother with developing and nurturing talent within their own domestic base in favour of cheap and cheerful foreign imports by the dozen.

I see no problem with it and would welcome club football in Europe returning to less homogenised and far more interesting days.


Agree on some of it but Man United contradict this as much as anyone

Fergie knows this and he was Wumming wenger

Anderson, nani and Tevez are hardly local english talent

Nor is Hargreaves

[STEVIEG]

Stevie is rambling on there about Utd as an "international" club.




If this was the case they would never have entered Europe

Busby had the vision that made this club greater than it was and made it the club it is today

Fergie has added greatly to that legacy

[Lamps]

I'd be hopeful that Scholes, Neville, Giggs would happily have sacrificed international football to pursue their Utd careers.


they are english you imbecile

your point was on the likes of o shea or fletcher refusing to play for their country and/or delaring for england in the hope of making the grade at united

[Rebelred]

Contradiction central

Is Ireland in England?

maybe we're all from Arland now???

[Lamps]

Agree on some of it but Man United contradict this as much as anyone

Fergie knows this and he was Wumming wenger

Anderson, nani and Tevez are hardly local english talent

Nor is Hargreaves

Stevie, you're playing a blinder on common sense these days, I salute you.

Very mature stuff

[STEVIEG]

maybe we're all from Arland now???

We have matured as a nation

[STEVIEG]

Believe me i'm pissed off that Rooney as a St George's tattoo and i would love if they (the english players) all retired from international football too but that's the way it goes

You can't have everything

Euro 2004 helped Fergie see that Rooney was the real deal

[lionelhutz]

I presume you are messing here

United have always been very much a club who have looked beyond the confines of their locality, while maintaining it's importance too

European Cup campaigns in the 50's
Irish and Scot managers and players
Business expansion
International players from all around the Europe and the world for a long time
etc etc etc

They are the furtherest you can be from a Little Englander mentality

as you said stevie, fergie is CLEARLY windin up wegner. he knows this change aint gonna happen, and specifically mentioning arsenal and liverpool is obviously meant to get at the two lads.

unfortunately for the less enlightened like headline gobbler, pubes, there's a big can of whooosh on its way...

[marco 2005]

You're so full of shit.

Anderson, Nani, VDS, Vidic, Ronaldo, Giggs, Tevez, Saha, all the key players bar Rooney are foreign big money buys.

Trying to argue having a few lads from the youth scheme who'll be sold off to preston in a few years makes United more English.

What a joke.

may i just add Evra, Sylvestre, Kuszczak, Pique, Park and Solsjkaer to tha list?

As Stevie said, Fergie's just having a go at Wenger and Benitez, he knows Utd would be fucked with the implementation of that rule...

[homer jay]

talk about pwning yourself 2me style!

[KolaKubes]

You're so full of shit.

Anderson, Nani, VDS, Vidic, Ronaldo, Giggs, Tevez, Saha, all the key players bar Rooney are foreign big money buys.

Trying to argue having a few lads from the youth scheme who'll be sold off to preston in a few years makes United more English.

What a joke.

Giggs was a foreign big money buy? :D

they are english you imbecile

your point was on the likes of o shea or fletcher refusing to play for their country and/or delaring for england in the hope of making the grade at united

Giggs is English?! :D

My point was any homegrown player would turn away from international football to play for Utd - as some have done.

As some non-homegrown players - good man Roy.

Personally, I love to see homegrown players come through the ranks at Utd and defended O'Shea and Fletcher far longer than most Utd fans for that reason. I also said I'd have rathered keep Rossi (who I remember crying at the cup final) and forgetting about Tevez. That's where Fergie's attitude to this is a little hypocritical.

I think the foreigner rule has some merits but the numbers need to be looked at carefully and I think "homegrown" should come into it as well. . A 6 + 5 rule is crude (typical from Blatter) and what happens with substitute benches then? Do they all have to be English?

In defence of the rule, there's been a resurgence in Scottish footbal in recent years. Could it have anything to do with those rules about naming a certain number of Scottish players in every match day squad for the league back along?

I think they could.

Definitely room for discussion on this one.

[KolaKubes]

may i just add Evra, Sylvestre, Kuszczak, Pique, Park and Solsjkaer to tha list?

As Stevie said, Fergie's just having a go at Wenger and Benitez, he knows Utd would be fucked with the implementation of that rule...

Bullsh*t.

Utd's team (even right now) with the rule implemented.

Foster
Neville Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Carrick Hargreaves Scholes
Rooney Tevez Ronaldo

Seven English, four foreigners.

Arsenal would be royally f*cked.

Stevie, again, your attitude towards an English footballer at the English club you follow having a St George's Cross tattoo is utterly ridiculous.

Wait 15 years and we'll have the new breed of English Munster fan arguing about young Clohessy's celtic cross I guess. :rolleyes:

[Rebelred]

Bullsh*t.

Utd's team (even right now) with the rule implemented.

Foster
Neville Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Carrick Hargreaves Scholes
Rooney Tevez Ronaldo

Seven English, four foreigners.

Arsenal would be royally f*cked.

Stevie, again, your attitude towards an English footballer at the English club you follow having a St George's Cross tattoo is utterly ridiculous.

Wait 15 years and we'll have the new breed of English Munster fan arguing about young Clohessy's celtic cross I guess. :rolleyes:
Foster at the moment is an injured 3rd choice

[homer jay]

Foster at the moment is an injured 3rd choice

consider this a warning...FACT boy

[Rebelred]

consider this a warning...FACT boy

get back to your 05 dvd you! :)

[Lamps]

I see Kola has put his whipping boy scholes in the team and re-invented UNited formation just to make a point.

Have you any shame?

[KolaKubes]

Foster at the moment is an injured 3rd choice

Ehm, Neville and Scholes are injured as well.

Lamps, you keep wheeling away celebrating like Stephen Ireland despite neither you or your little friends actually managing to disprove any point I've made.

HJ, "self pwnership" 2me style? What are you blathering on about?

I think Lamps is just generally rattled as f*ck today.

I must do a little work now but I'll look in on you every so often.

Toodle pip.

[Lamps]

Ehm, Neville and Scholes are injured as well.

Lamps, you keep wheeling away celebrating like Stephen Ireland despite neither you or your little friends actually managing to disprove any point I've made.

HJ, "self pwnership" 2me style? What are you blathering on about?

I think Lamps is just generally rattled as f*ck today.

I must do a little work now but I'll look in on you every so often.

Toodle pip.

Even the United fans beat you down on this one Pubes, between this and the Billy Morgan thread, you've made a holy show of yourself.

You base your theory on Home nations(and hopefully Ireland too if something can be arranged) players deciding to opt to play for England, its bumslappery of the highest order. You need to take a break from this place.

ManYoo > Watergrasshill. It sums you up to a tee

[Rebelred]

Ehm, Neville and Scholes are injured as well.


Yet you've written off Scholes in numerous other United threads, he's past it you've told us. There's no consistency in your posts.

[homer jay]

Ehm, Neville and Scholes are injured as well.

yes, but you conveniently swapped a foreigner for an english fella. plus the fact that you seem to rate and unrate scholes whenever it suits your argument.

HJ, "self pwnership" 2me style? What are you blathering on about?

ffs:rolleyes:

[KolaKubes]

Read somewhere yesterday that Fergie would back the limitation of foreigners that Blatter is proposing but that he can't see it happening because of the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal.

Some neck on that lad.

What was your point again?

The limitation on foreigners being talked about wouldn't cause Utd any trouble.

This was my initial foray into the "debate".

Sure it wouldn't bumslapper

Gnash gnash gnash.

Twenty out of Thirty three players in the Utd first team squad are British or Irish chump.

I think Arsenal have about four or five tops.

Fact.

disagree with him on this, always have done

Think some of it is wumming Wenger to be honest

great to see them at it again

Fair enough.

Major problems implementing a barrier on Welsh, Northern Irish, Scottish players being classified as foreign seeing as they all hold the same passport.

I would think they'd make allowances for Rep of Ireland passport holders in light of the situation in Northern Ireland as well, would be a minefield otherwise. Noting that holding a British passport would be a major boon to any soccer player in these islands.

Failing that, you're talking 18 out of 33 players with British passports in the Utd first team squad.

I suspect that beats Arsenal easily and probably Liverpool but I'm not going to go check.

In any case, UEFA is introducing de facto foreigner rules from next year with its limitations about "home grown" players in European competition. That's why the English clubs have being bringing in lads at a younger and younger age sure.

I make the mistake of trying to construct an actual argument to respond to Lamps' gibberish.

Anyone familiar with the Gibson affair knows what the issues are here regarding qualifying for the home nations and the ROI using passports as the criterion.

The foreigner rule as it used to be applied was for all NON ENGLISH players to be seen as foreigners. FFS Kola, you used to even follow soccer when this was about.

As it used to be applied numbnuts.

I was explaining how the recent situation with Gibson has opened up the possibility of that not working in practice if it came in again now.

ps Kola throw up the list of the 18 British players int the United squad

Done.

Not if they have already declared for their home country: example Fletcher, Gibson, etc.....

This is a fair point but the rule will have to take into account that from then on if it was applied like that, players in the UK could easily opt not to turn out for their own country leaving the legal possibility of opting for England (even if they never played a game for them).

post up the list like a good lad, then we'll see the merits of this

Done.

so would i be right in saying that you are basing all this on the scots/welsh/irish turning their backs on their countries?

Any uncapped player from those countries' would have an advantage over a capped player in terms of their career at an English club.

Again, I'm building the argument that if you don't make an exception for other UK players (at least) it creates major problems.

just as i suspected, half the english ones are a bunch of no marks or lads no where near the grade.

i knew this is why you wouldn't post it up.


exposed lad, and badly exposed at that.

eckersly
heaton
martin
eagles
campbell
ffs

Just to highlight again, the statement I made was that the bulk of Utd's first team squad were British or Irish. Wheeling away like a striker after scoring an offside goal with your "exposed" nonsense there.

so basically you are basing your theory on the assumption that players need to turn their backs on their country.

real forward thinking by you again.

you're so full of shit its unreal, you kind of remind me of a poor mans conor cruise o brien who concentrates mainly on bumslapping issues

This is my fave.

You are the king of the straw man argument Lamps.

Or should that be Queen these days?

Now, what a f*cking waste of twenty minutes of my time talking to a moron.

At worst, we could have been having a debate here about whether a foreigner rule was right or would fulfill the purpose it was designed for.

Instead, you've disappeared up your own a*se yet again trying to be King of the Internet.
And seeing as this whole exchange is about you crying over the Billy Morgan thread, I'll finish on this note. As I see it, Billy is a beligerent old c*nt who's an embarrassment to the county with his antics. Everything the rest of the country takes the p*ss out of us about. A 60 something putting a reporter's tape recorder down his trousers. Even you wouldn't be that juvenile.

On a thread whining about a Fergie's antics, clearly the irony is lost on you.

[homer jay]

what's the word i'm looking for???

[Rebelred]

what's the word i'm looking for???

http://shop.advanceweb.com/images/products/2006/SP/SP_Gift_Items/educational/02925_RattledGame_SP/02925_RattGam_SP_med .jpg

[homer jay]

badly, and across a couple of threads by the looks of it

[Lamps]

good grief.

[KolaKubes]

Yerra, if deconstructing one of your bullsh*t "arguments" counts as "rattled", all hope is lost on here.

I think you should go back to being ghey.

[lionelhutz]

heh heh heh, i remember ol rahsers gettin a bit of abuse from the more conservative lads in the sf for constantly takin the piss out of pubes. he was a visionary ol rahsers

[POL]

what's the word i'm looking for???
exposed

[STEVIEG]

Stevie, again, your attitude towards an English footballer at the English club you follow having a St George's Cross tattoo is utterly ridiculous.


Why?]

I more-or-less said that i respect his decision

The irony is an Irish fan of Man United giving out about foreigners and stuff

The person who scored the clubs most famous goal was foreign
Their two best managers were foreign
Their best player last year was foreign
Their best players in the 90's were foreign
Their owners are foreign
They have a huge segment of their fanbase that is also foreign
Their most honoured and capped current player is foreign
Their strikeforce Sunday wil be foreign
Their famous trio of the 60's contained 2 who were foreign

etc etc etc

I kinda see where you are coming from but i think it's poor point

[homer jay]

Yerra, if deconstructing one of your bullsh*t "arguments" counts as "rattled", all hope is lost on here.

you know where the door is.

[KolaKubes]

you know where the door is.

I do and I'm heading through it and off to the pub with the buachaillí.

Lads, much as ye're a bunch of totally ghey wummers, I hope ye all have a nice weekend now. ;)

[marco 2005]

Punk legend Lydon backs Wenger

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/11/09/punk-legend-lydon-backs-wenger-89520-20086485/

[STEVIEG]

Anyone see the Fergie and Wenger love-in last night?

good to see the obvious mutual respect i suppose

[STEVIEG]

Now it's up to 25

again a challenge awaits both domestically and in Europe



anyway this 30 pager brought about some interesting and pretty civil discussion if i remember correctly

There used be loads more good posters around here till it became a WUM only zone

[shez1987]

Tony Gale picked his Best Fergie eleven on Sky Sports there.. no room for Keane, Robson and Scholes in the middle.

Johnny Giles may be losing it a bit but I'd still take him over any Sky 'analyst'.

[Rebelred]

Now it's up to 25

again a challenge awaits both domestically and in Europe



anyway this 30 pager brought about some interesting and pretty civil discussion if i remember correctly

There used be loads more good posters around here till it became a WUM only zone

Incredible achievement for any Manager to last as long as he has in the job.

[STEVIEG]

Tony Gale picked his Best Fergie eleven on Sky Sports there.. no room for Keane, Robson and Scholes in the middle.

Johnny Giles may be losing it a bit but I'd still take him over any Sky 'analyst'.

Jesus Christ who did he have?!

[CORKBHOY]

Great achievements domestically, no doubt about it but left wanting in Europe. Two CL titles in 25 years is a poor return for a manager who some claim to be one of the (if not the) best of this generation.

[STEVIEG]

On reflection

My Fergie XI is Schmeichel G Neville Rio, Vidic, Irwin, Keane, Robson, Giggs, Ronaldo, Cantona Rooney (toughest omission Paul Scholes)

[Mr Bojangles]

On reflection

My Fergie XI is Schmeichel G Neville Rio, Vidic, Irwin, Keane, Robson, Giggs, Ronaldo, Cantona Rooney (toughest omission Paul Scholes)

:lol!::lol!::lol!:

[Michael P Splonk]

3 pages on ginsoak in last nights echo, they have promised 4 tonight.

Thats probably more coverage than Cork City get in the week they win the old second division.

[Lapsy Pa]

On reflection

My Fergie XI is Schmeichel G Neville Rio, Vidic, Irwin, Keane, Robson, Giggs, Ronaldo, Cantona Rooney (toughest omission Paul Scholes)

I'd pick RVN and Scholes ahead of Cantona and Robson.

Robson was before my time tbf.

[shez1987]

Jesus Christ who did he have?!

Think he had: Schmeichel, Neville, ???, ???, Evra, Ronaldo, Robson, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Cantona.

Only caught the end of it, so not sure on central defense. Maybe Pallister was in there.

I wouldn't be Keane's biggest fan in some respects but to not include him in Ferguson's best eleven doesn't make sense to me.

[STEVIEG]

Think he had: Schmeichel, Neville, ???, ???, Evra, Ronaldo, Robson, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Cantona.

Only caught the end of it, so not sure on central defense. Maybe Pallister was in there.

I wouldn't be Keane's biggest fan in some respects but to not include him in Ferguson's best eleven doesn't make sense to me.

ah that's fair enough i thought he left the three of them out!


I had to include Keane and Robson in mine though midfield is difficult as you have to leave out a great player or two

[STEVIEG]

:lol!::lol!::lol!:

Yes Anvil


Probably Uniteds best defender on his day

[STEVIEG]

3 pages on ginsoak in last nights echo, they have promised 4 tonight.

Thats probably more coverage than Cork City get in the week they win the old second division.

Bizarre but it probably makes easy copy and Fergie and his team have big cork connections

You should try posting about Cork City the odd time if you really care about them (which you clearly don't)

[Michael P Splonk]

Bizarre but it probably makes easy copy and Fergie and his team have big cork connections

You should try posting about Cork City the odd time if you really care about them (which you clearly don't)

Where did I say I cared about Cork City?

[CORKBHOY]

Bizarre but it probably makes easy copy and Fergie and his team have big cork connections

You should try posting about Cork City the odd time if you really care about them (which you clearly don't)

What Cork connections has Fergie?

[Mr Bojangles]

Yes Anvil


Probably Uniteds best defender on his day

That would one Tuesday in early January.

[STEVIEG]

What Cork connections has Fergie?

Irwin Keane etc etc etc

Google them

[STEVIEG]

That would one Tuesday in early January.

You know nothing about football

[STEVIEG]

Where did I say I cared about Cork City?

You don't care about Cork City FC?

Yet you are throwing digs at a newspaper who cover them every evening

Fair enough

[Michael P Splonk]

You don't care about Cork City FC?

Yet you are throwing digs at a newspaper who cover them every evening

Fair enough

I would like to see them win rather than lose, kinda like you with the hurlers and footballers. But anyway, I am saying this:

The local club won the old second division this week and the local paper had 3 pages last night on Ginsoak, 4 tonight. Didn't see it earlier in the week. Maybe its a week long special.

You get very defensive about manyoo. You need to move on from that.

[CORKBHOY]

Irwin Keane etc etc etc

Google them

Oh ffs.

So Paul Jewel has Cork connections too because of Healy and Delaney.

And Neil Lennon has Nairobi connections :rolleyes:

[Michael P Splonk]

Oh ffs.

So Paul Jewel has Cork connections too because of Healy and Delaney.

And Neil Lennon has Nairobi connections :rolleyes:

Alex Ferguson must have connections to about 300 cities around the world at this stage.

[STEVIEG]

Oh ffs.

So Paul Jewel has Cork connections too because of Healy and Delaney.

And Neil Lennon has Nairobi connections :rolleyes:

If neil lennon spent more time trying to manage his club than on the piss in Cork the likes of you might have something to post about

if you can't see the connections between two of Fergie's best players and their city of birth you are a tad slow

[STEVIEG]

I would like to see them win rather than lose, kinda like you with the hurlers and footballers. But anyway, I am saying this:

The local club won the old second division this week and the local paper had 3 pages last night on Ginsoak, 4 tonight. Didn't see it earlier in the week. Maybe its a week long special.

You get very defensive about manyoo. You need to move on from that.

Write them a letter

They cover Cork City extensively

The coverage of the Premiership i certainly don't read but i suspect it's economics

People read about it, watch it in pubs and tellingly, post about it here far more than Cork City

You should know this

[Mr Bojangles]

You know nothing about football

Manyoo till I die :rolleyes:
Soft lad.

[Michael P Splonk]

Here's a question for you Stevie, if Cork CIty and ManYoo met in the europa league, which these days is an outside possibility, who would you cheer on?

[CORKBHOY]

If neil lennon spent more time trying to manage his club than on the piss in Cork the likes of you might have something to post about

if you can't see the connections between two of Fergie's best players and their city of birth you are a tad slow

:lol!: Nasty Steve is coming out today. Tell me more about Lennon on the piss in Cork? This sounds interesting.

[STEVIEG]

:lol!: Nasty Steve is coming out today. Tell me more about Lennon on the piss in Cork? This sounds interesting.

It's nasty when someone talks about Neil Lennon

I'm hardly racially abusing him

he was on the piss and treated like a hero in some celtic pub recently

he is a legend at the club apparently

[STEVIEG]

Here's a question for you Stevie, if Cork CIty and ManYoo met in the europa league, which these days is an outside possibility, who would you cheer on?

Won't ever happen

Hopefully City will make the CL someday

I'll shout for them then

I am a matchgoer

[Red Baron]

He can't have much left in the tank at this point.

[Michael P Splonk]

Won't ever happen

Hopefully City will make the CL someday

I'll shout for them then

I am a matchgoer

so you tell us Stevie.

over and over and over

[CORKBHOY]

It's nasty when someone talks about Neil Lennon

I'm hardly racially abusing him

he was on the piss and treated like a hero in some celtic pub recently

he is a legend at the club apparently

Not at all Steve. We were talking about Fergie and you felt the need to try to have a go about Lennon 'being on the piss'. I'm disinterested in what Lennon does in his free time, that's his own business. You can repeat whatever rumours you hear about the man on here all you like.

[STEVIEG]

Not at all Steve. We were talking about Fergie and you felt the need to try to have a go about Lennon 'being on the piss'. I'm disinterested in what Lennon does in his free time, that's his own business. You can repeat whatever rumours you hear about the man on here all you like.

We are were talking about him being connected to Cork and i remembered seeing a bunch of facebook photos of him on the piss here

no big deal it's hardly gonna cost him his job he was probably on a recruitment process

[CORKBHOY]

What was it that prompted you to go to the Celtic thread today Steve? Was it me pointing out Fergie underachieved in Europe?

[STEVIEG]

What was it that prompted you to go to the Celtic thread today Steve? Was it me pointing out Fergie underachieved in Europe?

?

I don't even remember that post

Everyone knows Fergie should have more than two Champions leagues and two cup winners cups

i've always consistently said this


I was trying to draw you into the Celtic thread








Posting about something you dislike far more than what you like says a lot about an individual for me

The day i start posting more about Man City and Liverpool more than United will be the day i leave here

[CORKBHOY]

?

I don't even remember that post

Everyone knows Fergie should have more than two Champions leagues and two cup winners cups

i've always consistently said this


I was trying to draw you into the Celtic thread








Posting about something you dislike far more than what you like says a lot about an individual for me

The day i start posting more about Man City and Liverpool more than United will be the day i leave here
What are you on about? I've got several Man U players on my Fantasy Football team. I think they are a very good premier league team.

[Michael P Splonk]

?

I don't even remember that post

Everyone knows Fergie should have more than two Champions leagues and two cup winners cups

i've always consistently said this


I was trying to draw you into the Celtic thread








Posting about something you dislike far more than what you like says a lot about an individual for me

The day i start posting more about Man City and Liverpool more than United will be the day i leave here

All that said you are the number one poster in the Man City thread.

[Michael P Splonk]

I've had Rooney as captain for me since day one.

Thats how much of a neutral i am

[STEVIEG]

All that said you are the number one poster in the Man City thread.

Probably mostly United related stuff

I post more about United than Man City or Liverpool

You have spectacularly missed my point

[STEVIEG]

What are you on about? I've got several Man U players on my Fantasy Football team. I think they are a very good premier league team.

So have I

and have coincidentally being doing shit for the last few weeks because of it

[CORKBHOY]

So have I

and have coincidentally being doing shit for the last few weeks because of it

Ya, Young has to go I think.

[STEVIEG]

Ya, Young has to go I think.

nani captain
Rooney too

terrible

and they won


last week i couldn't have picked a worse team if i tired got 20 points even my man City defender got sent off

shit on a stick

[Bobby Vinton]

I hope he doesn't go the same way as jock stein did as he's now getting on a bit and is so committed to it still.

3 leagues and 4 scottish cups and a cup winners cup victory over real madrid thats some achievment aswell with aberdeen surely he was on most top english clubs rader at that time aswell.

[Mr Bojangles]

nani captain
Rooney too

terrible

and they won


last week i couldn't have picked a worse team if i tired got 20 points even my man City defender got sent off

shit on a stick

Do you wear a fantasy Manyoo shirt when you're playing fantasy football ?
How sad.

[Lee Bushwacker]

I hope he doesn't go the same way as jock stein did as he's now getting on a bit and is so committed to it still.

3 leagues and 4 scottish cups and a cup winners cup victory over real madrid thats some achievment aswell with aberdeen surely he was on most top english clubs rader at that time aswell.

:cool:
Hopefully not Bobby but as far as I know Fergie had a heart bypass operation a few years ago. Jock Stein R.I.P. hadn't apparently. Alex still looks very healthy and long may this last.

In 1984 there was an offer for hm to go to Highbury and he wanted to bring Watty Smith as his number 2 but I don't think that Smith was inclined to go so far South. Lucky for Manchester United & unlucky for Arsenal.

Anyway, happy 25th Alex. Long may he reign at O.T. :D

[STEVIEG]

Do you wear a fantasy Manyoo shirt when you're playing fantasy football ?
How sad.

No stalker

I only have two united players

Both who get a lot of points most weeks

[shez1987]

I only have two united players

Both who get a lot of points most weeks

Enough of the small-talk about Fergie, is Jonny Evans nailed on for a few weeks while Smalling is out? 4.5 for a Utd defender would be sweet?

[STEVIEG]

Enough of the small-talk about Fergie, is Jonny Evans nailed on for a few weeks while Smalling is out? 4.5 for a Utd defender would be sweet?

I reckon so. He played well in the last two games too after the City nightmare so he is defo gonna start methinks

[blackie]

http://yfrog.com/h7fgqhbj

[shez1987]

I reckon so. He played well in the last two games too after the City nightmare so he is defo gonna start methinks

Good stuff, I brought him in this week anyway. Hopefully Rio will remain down the pecking order for a bit.

A nice comfy 3-0 win today would be a suitable celebration for Fergie's 25th, but only so long as Rooney grabs a couple.

[STEVIEG]

Rio and Vidic start with Jones on right!

no Evans! Sorry didn't see that coming

[blackie]

New Sir Alex Ferguson stand is first time in 101-year history of OT a stand named after an individual

[Mr Bojangles]

Rio and Vidic start with Jones on right!

no Evans! Sorry didn't see that coming

Have you any plans to watch your team in real life this season or are you a
fantasy supporter too ?:lol!:

[Lee Bushwacker]

New Sir Alex Ferguson stand is first time in 101-year history of OT a stand named after an individual

:cool:
While it's a worthy tribute to Sir Alex Ferguson for all he's done at United, I think that it should have been put on-ice until his eventual retirement tbh!

[blackie]

:cool:
While it's a worthy tribute to Sir Alex Ferguson for all he's done at United, I think that it should have been put on-ice until his eventual retirement tbh!

i'd agree with that.