cheats corner

[homer jay]

a thread dedicated to naming and shaming of cheats.

zokora, for his dive to win a penalty against portsmouth

[Rebelred]

how the ref couldnt see that is beyond me.he was 20 yards away in a perfect line to see mendes was a good foot away from him

[FL4ZGN]

An absolute disgrace and what makes it worse was his managers comments afterwards "I think Diddier was off balance but did not dive"

[dotty]

An absolute disgrace and what makes it worse was his managers comments afterwards "I think Diddier was off balance but did not dive"

yeah found jols comments afterwards interesting,apparent ly zakora is some type of mind reader as he fell over because he was anticipating the challenge from mendes.

[xvis]

Ashley Cole's versus United was so spectacular it was ridiculous, Keane was a full yard away from him. When it's this blatant it should be a straight red.

not the best camera angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp7bZf-wNQk

[FL4ZGN]

Van Persie against Hamburg was fairly bad too if i'm honest.

[Forsberg]

Ashley Cole's versus United was so spectacular it was ridiculous, Keane was a full yard away from him. When it's this blatant it should be a straight red.

not the best camera angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp7bZf-wNQk


Equally bad was Rooney diving over his England teamate Sol Campbell when they stopped Arsenals unbeaten run .

A mention also for the other United players who proceeded to kick Jose Reyes off the pitch in that game

[KolaKubes]

Equally bad was Rooney diving over his England teamate Sol Campbell when they stopped Arsenals unbeaten run .

A mention also for the other United players who proceeded to kick Jose Reyes off the pitch in that game

No, at least in that situation Campbell made contact.

The "genius" Reyes was tackled (not fouled necessarily) in that match, how many times do your reckon?

Another fucking ABU myth.

The balletic Arsenal players kicked off the field by notorious ruffians Darren Fletcher and Gary Neville.

[Forsberg]

No, at least in that situation Campbell made contact.

The "genius" Reyes was tackled (not fouled necessarily) in that match, how many times do your reckon?

Another fucking ABU myth.

The balletic Arsenal players kicked off the field by notorious ruffians Darren Fletcher and Gary Neville.

Well I'd say typical blinkered United perspective there. Anytime anyone has something negative to say about United , they're dismissed as being ABU.

As for the game , it was a clear dive fron Rooney ( very similar to Zokora's yesterday) , and yes , Reyes was fouled all day long that day , mainly by Gary Neville.

BTW , where did I claim that Reyes was a "genius"

[bar99]

Henry in the World Cup against Spain. Dirty, dirty, dirty cheat.

[KolaKubes]

Well I'd say typical blinkered United perspective there. Anytime anyone has something negative to say about United , they're dismissed as being ABU.

As for the game , it was a clear dive fron Rooney ( very similar to Zokora's yesterday) , and yes , Reyes was fouled all day long that day , mainly by Gary Neville.

BTW , where did I claim that Reyes was a "genius"

Ok, let's expose the myth.

The game opened with a disgraceful tackle on Ronaldo by Ashley Cole which didn't even earn him a yellow card.

Nonetheless, over the game as a whole, Arsenal committed more fouls and got more yellow cards than Utd. Something which was consistent with a Utd side that has regularly finished at the top of the fair play table for half a decade.

Reyes was fouled four times in the game (less than Ronaldo).

If he thinks that's a seeing to he should try Cork AUL, the cranky fruity faggot.

[Forsberg]

Ok, let's expose the myth.

The game opened with a disgraceful tackle on Ronaldo by Ashley Cole which didn't even earn him a yellow card.

Nonetheless, over the game as a whole, Arsenal committed more fouls and got more yellow cards than Utd. Something which was consistent with a Utd side that has regularly finished at the top of the fair play table for half a decade.

Reyes was fouled four times in the game (less than Ronaldo).

If he thinks that's a seeing to he should try Cork AUL, the cranky fruity faggot.

Considering a foul can be anything from a simple nudge to a hacking from behind , then that stat holds no ground. United went out that day with roughing tactics ( and they worked) so fair play for that but to say that Rooney didn't dive that day is seriously biased .

Anyway back to subject matter , and to show that I'm not ABU - Jeffers dive against Liverpool was disgraceful a few years back

[Sound]

I'm with KK on this. Reyes got a couple of kicks but that's it. Most of it was hard but pretty fair. Reyes is quality but has no cojones.

[Sound]

Stevie G against Bolton last year was an absolute shocker of a dive.

[STEVIEG]

I'm with KK on this. Reyes got a couple of kicks but that's it. Most of it was hard but pretty fair. Reyes is quality but has no cojones.


exactly

[STEVIEG]

Viera against Liverpool last year

[Vendredi]

Every player has been a cheat at least once. This thread will turn out to be a long list of players past and present.

[xvis]

exactly

fourthed.

..no comparison.


the excuses that day were ungracious.

[homer jay]

Every player has been a cheat at least once. This thread will turn out to be a long list of players past and present.

its good to get the thread started with, but i was thinking it as more of a running thing, where cheats would be spotted and noted, rather than recalling stuff that happened ages back.

[xvis]

Every player has been a cheat at least once. This thread will turn out to be a long list of players past and present.

yes, I was thinking this thread could rival Niall Fitz




I couldn't find a youtube link for Dennis Wise's sneaky pinch on Nicky Butt, one of my most memorable examples of cheating from the last years.


I'd also like to nominate the first of Pires's, I'm sure, many nominations for the dive against Portsmouth that preserved the unbeaten run.

[FL4ZGN]

Lee Won Pen must be added to this list.

He was the held the world diving record for 7 years when playing for Man City during the 70's.

[STEVIEG]

Viera against Liverpool last year


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9426/vieiracf0.gif

[FL4ZGN]

I couldn't find a youtube link for Dennis Wise's sneaky pinch on Nicky Butt, one of my most memorable examples of cheating from the last years.


It worked for Wisey though as Butt reacted and got sent off.

[homer jay]

I couldn't find a youtube link for Dennis Wise's sneaky pinch on Nicky Butt, one of my most memorable examples of cheating from the last years.

that reminds me. ben haim was pinching bellamy's nipples in saturdays game as well.

[STEVIEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY9rAUQcw1E&mode=related&search=

[homer jay]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9426/vieiracf0.gif

conspiracy theory was...he was trying to get a yellow card to bring a suspension forward so it wouldn't clash with a big game

[STEVIEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urGXpRI0Zuw&mode=related&search=

[STEVIEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGlXKDJnEiY&NR

[STEVIEG]

He did the exact same thing at Old Trafford yesterday aswell:):):)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVy04C_-yA4

[STEVIEG]

Van Persie against Hamburg was fairly bad too if i'm honest.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=2uyOoPu2CDs

[xvis]

its good to get the thread started with, but i was thinking it as more of a running thing, where cheats would be spotted and noted, rather than recalling stuff that happened ages back.

It's good to get the ball rolling with a few hall-of-famers.


Michael Owen's dive against Argentina, ...confounding stereotypes of Argentina, England and cheating.

Damien Duff versus Spain.

Diego and God versus Shilts.

Grosso versus Austrailia

Francis Lee versus Hunter and Leeds, ...the original winker

[STEVIEG]

A montage of Portugal in the World Cup too would be very good!

[mr m]

Paul Alcock. Sheffield united versus Arsenal.
Di Canio should have given him a straight red.

[xvis]

Lee Won Pen must be added to this list.

He was the held the world diving record for 7 years when playing for Man City during the 70's.

"There was an indication of what was to come when Lee won a penalty from Hunter with a crafty dive. Lee winked at Hunter as referee Derek Nippard gave the spot-kick and Charlie George gave the Rams the lead.

Hunter was not known as 'bites yer legs' for no reason and he didn't wait long to get his revenge. Lee had just had a shot at goal, when Hunter seized his chance and unceremoniously chopped him down from behind.

Lee quickly got up to confront Hunter but the Leeds defender was ready for him. He hit him with a hefty left hook that left Lee with a split lip.

A further round of pushing and shoving ensued as more players joined the melee. Nippard eventually managed to restore order for long enough to send both of them off.

But that wasn't the end of the matter. As both players made their way towards the touchline, the feud erupted again.
If anything the fighting was even more vicious this time.

As the blood flew, other players noticed what was going on. Leeds' captain Billy Bremner was on the scene in no time and hardly played the role of peacemaker.

It was several minutes before Nippard could get Lee and Hunter off the field and restart the game. After the players had calmed down, Derby went on to win the match with a late goal.

The brawl gained instant notoriety as it was broadcast on Match of the Day that night. Lee was hit by a hefty fine, while Hunter escaped without punishment.

classic stuff

[FL4ZGN]

It's good to get the ball rolling with a few hall-of-famers.


Michael Owen's dive against Argentina, ...confounding stereotypes of Argentina, England and cheating.

Damien Duff versus Spain.

Diego and God versus Shilts.

Grosso versus Austrailia

Francis Lee versus Hunter and Leeds, ...the original winker

That guy could have a cheats thread all on his own.

[xvis]

let's not forget all those durty rugger buggers, those guys must spend more time on the floor than any other sport, collapsing scrums, gouging, spearing,

anyway..


yer man Neil Back for Leicester versus Munster, HCF 2002

[alpha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt0RU93PZuY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66TsxZb4Z9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAoe1MheTU4

[thomasr83]

the entire italian team in this years world cup

[afeencalleddan]

Grosso versus AustrailiaNuts, he did Neill and Neill stupidly went to ground and took him down. Clear pen.

Zokora yesterday was a disgrace. Jol may have made excuses publicly but I hope that privately he told him to cop on. Zokora had a brilliant game yesterday but spoiled it with that dive.

[xvis]

Nuts, he did Neill and Neill stupidly went to ground and took him down. Clear pen.

Zokora yesterday was a disgrace. Jol may have made excuses publicly but I hope that privately he told him to cop on. Zokora had a brilliant game yesterday but spoiled it with that dive.

what,

Grosso went to ground of his own free will.

Observe....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CQf4zYJ2fY

[Forsberg]

what,

Grosso went to ground of his own free will.

Observe....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CQf4zYJ2fY


I'm with Dan on this .

Neil went to ground and as a result impeded Grosso's run. He went down a bit easy but Neil definitely impeded him

[afeencalleddan]

what,

Grosso went to ground of his own free will.

Observe....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CQf4zYJ2fYN ah, if you look at it again the contact is made when Neil moves his elbow towards Grosso's leg just below the knee. It was an incredibly naive challenge from an experienced player. It was in the last minute so Grosso wasn't exactly travelling at pace so the replay is going to look dodgy. Those replays are conveniently in slow-mo.

[xvis]

it was a dive. defender was stationary, ..cheat game in and proceeded to cheat his way to a penalty. it was like he was shot. poor aussies.

[afeencalleddan]

it was a dive. defender was stationary, ..cheat game in and proceeded to cheat his way to a penalty. it was like he was shot. poor aussies.He wasn't stationary. Just before the contact his elbow moved and made contact with Grosso's leg. You can see it perfectly in the second replay in that youtube link. Stupid challenge, deserved to be punished. I wanted the Aussies to do well too but that was a foul. You couldn't compare it to the likes of Zokora or Henry against Spain where there was clearly no contact whatsoever.

[Superdave]

patrick battison's dive after harold schumacher brushed by him at the 82 world cup was a shocking bit of acting.

All that oxygen for effect and all. terrible.

[afeencalleddan]

patrick battison's dive after harold schumacher brushed by him at the 82 world cup was a shocking bit of acting.

All that oxygen for effect and all. terrible.Yeah, and his shameful act of pretending not to be able to blink in unison!

[Philby]

No, at least in that situation Campbell made contact.


Rooney doesn't dive. Fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAoe1MheTU4

[STEVIEG]

Either does loverboy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prcxxr4bJ3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSXS0PFAXYM

[STEVIEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66TsxZb4Z9I



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U_dW8iDWc8

[STEVIEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTGfyV_mgUk

[Superdave]

era, everyone is at it really. it's a pity and until they start using TV evidence it will continue.

I must admit i did it myself on one occasion this year though it was more out of self preservation than cheating. The winger had come through me at least 5 times and was giving me a good kicking. on the 6th occasion i leapt, as getting kicked when you are mid air is slightly less painful that when trying to outrun them. he didnt kick. i fell anyway. felt like a mug so i did. He got me the 7th, 8th and 9th time though.

it isn't easy to pull it off though, i reckon it's practiced on the training ground.

[STEVIEG]

era, everyone is at it really. it's a pity and until they start using TV evidence it will continue.




Yup, some are definitely worse than others though
Its more noticeable in internationals
I thought Portugal in the World Cup were a disgrace and having supported them before the tournament i was happy that they went out (ironically to a dive)
It's counter-productive though, Ronaldo got fuck all frees by the semi finals and thankfully he has cut it out since he has come back to England, where he has been kicked all over the place this season!

[Superdave]

Yup, some are definitely worse than others though
Its more noticeable in internationals
I thought Portugal in the World Cup were a disgrace and having supported them before the tournament i was happy that they went out (ironically to a dive)
It's counter-productive though, Ronaldo got fuck all frees by the semi finals and thankfully he has cut it out since he has come back to England, where he has been kicked all over the place this season!

it'll take a braver man than blatter to do it though.

I still like the idea of using Video evidence during a game as they do in Basketball - you can contest a decision and if you're correct, it's reversed. If you are wrong, you lose a time out - read substitution for footie. it allows teams to contest decisions they truly believe are wrong.

[STEVIEG]

it'll take a braver man than blatter to do it though.

I still like the idea of using Video evidence during a game as they do in Basketball - you can contest a decision and if you're correct, it's reversed. If you are wrong, you lose a time out - read substitution for footie. it allows teams to contest decisions they truly believe are wrong.


Good idea
It's ironic that in this day and age, not even the most impartial of fans (like me!:)), can defend the players of their own team in an obvious case of cheating
The evidence is there for us all to see
Why don't they just use it
As you say, it will take a brave person than Blatter

[HeeAirO]

Fabio Capello was not impressed with Fernando Torres, whose dive earned Sergio Ramos the red card. "It's not fair, he tricked the referee," said the Italian coach. "He's a cheater, and he should be punished."

[FL4ZGN]

Fabio Capello was not impressed with Fernando Torres, whose dive earned Sergio Ramos the red card. "It's not fair, he tricked the referee," said the Italian coach. "He's a cheater, and he should be punished."

Scandalous decision but had Ramos not been booked earlier for a silly hand ball he would have stayed on the field.

Makelele is another, how he was not red carded for the foul on Angel at the weekend is beyond me.

[homer jay]

Makelele is another, how he was not red carded for the foul on Angel at the weekend is beyond me.

now that you mention him. didn't he fake getting a headbut about 2 or 3 seasons ago. can't remember who it was against, but he was down near the opposition goal when the ball went out, next thing he looks for the ref, sees he's not watching and throws himself down clutching his head. fucking disgusting.

[FL4ZGN]

The winner must be the Chile keeper Rojas. I think it was a world cup qualifier against Brazil and Chile needed to win. They were being over run and the only way out was to get the game abandoned. Rojas threw himself onto a firecracker and pulled a blade from his glove and cut his head.

The game was abandoned after a mass brawl and on video evidence the game was given to Brazil. Chile were then banned from the next world cup and Rojas was banned for life.

He must be the greatest cheat ever to grace a football field.

[FL4ZGN]

now that you mention him. didn't he fake getting a headbut about 2 or 3 seasons ago. can't remember who it was against, but he was down near the opposition goal when the ball went out, next thing he looks for the ref, sees he's not watching and throws himself down clutching his head. fucking disgusting.


I think it was against Monaco in the champions league. He also got the player sent off.

[alpha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U_dW8iDWc8

I knew i'd get a backlash from UTD fans who cant handle seeing their own in a lesser light...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1u3Ci43EZY

[STEVIEG]

I knew i'd get a backlash from UTD fans who cant handle seeing their own in a lesser light...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1u3Ci43EZY

It was a joke
Welcome to the sports forum

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

[homer jay]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

there's no trophies handed out this early in the season stevie, apart from the one that matters...sports forum idiot of the year

[STEVIEG]

there's no trophies handed out this early in the season stevie, apart from the one that matters...sports forum idiot of the year

I thought that was won already
Your only as good as your last game...............

[alpha]

It was a joke
Welcome to the sports forum

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

So was mine dude, to be honest, i have to agree with all thats been said here, there's no room for all this diving and shit. Whether its in the Champions League final, or the west cork league, its cheating at the end of the day, some worse than others though.

[xvis]

I knew i'd get a backlash from UTD fans who cant handle seeing their own in a lesser light...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1u3Ci43EZY

of course you'll get a backlash if you post rubbish in the wrong thread.

...a clip of Rooney getting a yellow for a foul against Villareal and then getting a second yellow for mocking the ref, ...all repeated 20 times. ...where's the cheating in that?????

...take it to the 'hot-heated players thread'

ditto the repeated clip of him being narky with becks ...wrong thread.

[STEVIEG]

So was mine dude, to be honest, i have to agree with all thats been said here, there's no room for all this diving and shit. Whether its in the Champions League final, or the west cork league, its cheating at the end of the day, some worse than others though.


Yup, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc
Everyone is at it
Its amazing that amateurs like us can see it but nothing much is being done

I think we should keep updating the thread every week and i might create a hatchet man thread aswell for bad tackles that should have been punished
Michael Brown of Fulham is gonna kick things off!

[alpha]

of course you'll get a backlash if you post rubbish in the wrong thread.

...a clip of Rooney getting a yellow for a foul against Villareal and then getting a second yellow for mocking the ref, ...all repeated 20 times. ...where's the cheating in that?????

...take it to the 'hot-heated players thread'

ditto the repeated clip of him being narky with becks ...wrong thread.

Jesus calm down man. I take it your another one so yeah? MY POINT EXACTLY!!! Thats fuckin' calss..

[xvis]

Jesus calm down man. I take it your another one so yeah? MY POINT EXACTLY!!! Thats fuckin' calss..


there's just something about gooners calling United cheats,

...I guess it's how Clinton feels with all that Republician revisionism bile.

[JAZZZ]

Even our has boy indulged in a bit of theatrics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLmbUQPYzs&NR

[alpha]

there's just something about gooners calling United cheats,

...I guess it's how Clinton feels with all that Republician revisionism bile.

When did i ever call UTD cheats? Saw a few people adding URL's to teams diving, so i said i'd add a few for a laugh..... whats the problem?

[xvis]

When did i ever call UTD cheats? Saw a few people adding URL's to teams diving, so i said i'd add a few for a laugh..... whats the problem?

..in post 37 of this thread, ..which were pretty lame.

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showpost.php?p=11908 19&postcount=37

...one of them shows a montage of United, followed by a caption that some players do not have to cheat and showed the french car-salesman hugging John Terry and an Arsenal logo.

...oh the irony. (..the Puyol incident, unsporting quick free-kicks, the shot-like collapses)

[homer jay]

savage yesterday v liverpool twice in the last 15 minutes or so. dirty bastard.

[afeencalleddan]

A new entry for this week - Sergio Aguero of Atletico Madrid, the new Argentine hand of god scoring the winner against Recreativo on Saturday night. None of the four officials spotted it. There doesn't seem to be online footage of this available yet.

[STEVIEG]

Fat Frank dived for the free-kick which he typically got a deflection off to score against Reading

[homer jay]

Fat Frank dived for the free-kick which he typically got a deflection off to score against Reading

correction: 2 deflections

[STEVIEG]

True

[MonTheHoops]

El Hadji Diouf.

No pareticular incident, just most things he's done since birth I'd imagine.

[homer jay]

True

actually on further reflection, it was deflected then the defender kicked it into his own net, technically an o.g.
i'm sure frank will view this as justification of his shoot from anywhere policy

[STEVIEG]

El Hadji Diouf.

No pareticular incident, just most things he's done since birth I'd imagine.


I thought he was great yesterday
A dislikeable fucker, but a good man to have on a team like Boltons
Very poor crowd by the supposedly best supporters in the world too

[STEVIEG]

actually on further reflection, it was deflected then the defender kicked it into his own net, technically an o.g.
i'm sure frank will view this as justification of his shoot from anywhere policy


He's probably right though he gets a great amount of deflections and i think its cause he keeps his shots low and generally on target
The bollocks makes his own luck i suppose

[afeencalleddan]

A new entry for this week - Sergio Aguero of Atletico Madrid, the new Argentine hand of god scoring the winner against Recreativo on Saturday night. None of the four officials spotted it. There doesn't seem to be online footage of this available yet.Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5hJFhYKkE) the vid for it.

[homer jay]

Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5hJFhYKkE) the vid for it.

heh heh. the cheeky fecker.

[ho chi feen]

Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5hJFhYKkE) the vid for it.

Legend!

[MonTheHoops]

I thought he was great yesterday
A dislikeable fucker, but a good man to have on a team like Boltons
Very poor crowd by the supposedly best supporters in the world too

In the celebration he's patted on the head by Anelka.


I thought that was an insult where he was brought up. It was his excuse when he spat at the Celtic fans.

[homer jay]

only caught about the last half hour of the barca chelsea game last night, but did manage to see carvalho sly kick at gudjohnson (i think). drogba doing his usual act. deco rolling round in apparent agony until john terry blasted him with the ball, and he jumped up. and essien after marquez (i think) fell on him, he claimed he was stamped on.
any others would be appreciated :)

[Rebelred]

only caught about the last half hour of the barca chelsea game last night, but did manage to see carvalho sly kick at gudjohnson (i think). drogba doing his usual act. deco rolling round in apparent agony until john terry blasted him with the ball, and he jumped up. and essien after marquez (i think) fell on him, he claimed he was stamped on.
any others would be appreciated :)
Was that Carvalhos blatant stamp on Deco's thigh? happened in the last 10 minutes wasn't it?

[homer jay]

Was that Carvalhos blatant stamp on Deco's thigh? happened in the last 10 minutes wasn't it?

the ball was coming in high and carvalho got a header, but while in mid air he straightened out the leg to catch the barca player, i wouldn't have called it a stamp as such.

[Rebelred]

the ball was coming in high and carvalho got a header, but while in mid air he straightened out the leg to catch the barca player, i wouldn't have called it a stamp as such.
stamp might not be the right term here, but he definitely went in with intent on Deco. As you said,he straightened his leg out when he didn't need to do so

[ho chi feen]

Not forgetting Carvalho's midriff-high lunge at Messi long after the whistle had gone for a free.

[STEVIEG]

you could write a thesis on that game last night

[Sound]

In the interest of brevity, lets point out the players on both teams who aren't reprehensible diving cunts:

Hilario
Gio
Zambrotta

[ho chi feen]

you could write a thesis on that game last night

Or Carvalho. Has the yet to receive a red in Chelski's colours?

[STEVIEG]

In the interest of brevity, lets point out the players on both teams who aren't reprehensible diving cunts:

Hilario
Gio
Zambrotta


Well Hilario did dive for the first goal

[homer jay]

heskey took a nice dive in the pool game yesterday. and bellamy took a sly kick at a wigan defender (baines maybe). i missed the premiership last night, did ronaldo dive or wha?

[STEVIEG]

ronaldo was a fucking disgrace yesterday


I'm suprised there was little outrage over incidents that cost United lately in games against Celtic and Chelsea-only the Celtic fans here were man enough to mention the Jarosik one and the ABU's were strangely quiet.....

As for Ronaldo i thought he dived for the free-kick or went down easily but he stumbled for the pen and would have scored had he stayed up-it wasn't a pen for me but excuse me if i say i don't care, as United have been denied a number of stonewall pens lately and haven't gone moaning about it either

And when the papers and websites are reporting a moral highground from the likes of Gerrard you have to laugh........



Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate has labelled Cristiano Ronaldo a serial diver after his display in Manchester United's 2-1 win at The Riverside.

Television replays showed there was no contact between Boro keeper Mark Schwarzer and Ronaldo when the winger won United a 19th-minute penalty.

"Ronaldo has a history of it," Southgate told the News of the World.

"Our keeper has done everything to get out of the way, but the lad has gone down once again."

Asked if he felt cheated by Ronaldo, Southgate said: " Yes - it's as simple as that. I cannot see it was a penalty for love nor money.

"He did it again afterwards with a free-kick against George Boateng."


After watching television replays, Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson said the penalty was justified.

"Schwarzer is trying to avoid it, but would Ronaldo have scored? I think he would, but anyway it was a penalty kick."

It is not the first time Ronaldo's sportmanship has been questioned.

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard labelled the winger "a disgrace" for his part in Wayne Rooney's sending-off at the World Cup.

Gerrard was furious when Ronaldo got involved after Rooney appeared to stamp on Portugal defender Ricardo Carvalho.

"Sadly a dark side stains Cristiano Ronaldo's game," wrote Gerrard in his autobiography.

[homer jay]

I'm suprised there was little outrage over incidents that cost United lately in games against Celtic and Chelsea-only the Celtic fans here were man enough to mention the Jarosik one and the ABU's were strangely quiet.....

ronaldo is a little higher profile than jarosik, and has more of a history of diving. i'd say a lot of people thought of it as a what comes around goes around (giggs 'dive' at ot, but lets not go back there). not everyone who critises utd is an abu.

As for Ronaldo i thought he dived for the free-kick or went down easily but he stumbled for the pen and would have scored had he stayed up-it wasn't a pen for me but excuse me if i say i don't care, as United have been denied a number of stonewall pens lately and haven't gone moaning about it either

as i said, i haven't seen it. but as regards your 'utd have been denied stonewall penalties', after rooneys high profile dive for that pen against arsenal, thats what you get. ref's will always be reluctant to give something if they think there's a chance its a dive. it happened to owen at liverepool, it happened at chelsea (too many divers there to name individually ;) ).
if it was a dive, and the cameras clearly show this (as they did with zokora earlier in the season) retrospective punishment should be given. a nice 5 match ban would make them think twice. but there will always be the was it/wasn't it type 'fouls' but the penalty yesterday obviously changed the game in utd's favour.

And when the papers and websites are reporting a moral highground from the likes of Gerrard you have to laugh........

yeah, he should keep his trap shut.

[west cork rebel]

i could be wrong but i think Jaaskelainen did a bit of cheating yesterday, it was a corner for Bolton, towards the end of the game, 1-0 down, he comes up for the corner. as the reading keeper wins the ball, and prepares to throw down field for a possible second goal as Jaaskelainen is behind him, Jaaskelainen tires to punch the ball out if his hand. Now correct me if im wrong but shouldnt Jaaskelainen been sent off for this?


Lehmann too was a disgrace yesterday, was trying to strangle Keane during a spurs corner.

[Loftydog]

The semi final a few years back with deportivo and porto was basically a lesson in diving and cheating. And of course portos uefa cup run

[STEVIEG]

ronaldo is a little higher profile than jarosik, and has more of a history of diving. i'd say a lot of people thought of it as a what comes around goes around (giggs 'dive' at ot, but lets not go back there). not everyone who critises utd is an abu.



No but there is a big difference with the reporting when United are supposedly the team who have done wrong
Anyway, Giggs didn't dive and he doesn't dive there was contact that night
He got clearly foulded in a massive game in highbury a few years ago and staying on his feet cost United a crucial peno

Ronaldo has dived though on loads of occassions not as much for Portugal
It has gone against him, that's true, it cost United a crucial 3 points last year at Birmingham when he was clearly fouled and the ref ignored it and the other team scored
Also, he was kicked out of the game against Chelsea and there was barely a mutter about in the press
He stayed on his feet loads of times during the game yesterday when he was fouled too which pleased me, especially as it led to Uniteds winner

[intelinside]

ronaldo was a fucking disgrace yesterday

ya i agree. i reckon the referee's should take a tough stance on diving. by that i mean giving a straight red to the next player who tries to con the ref into giving them a penalty. Torquay recently said they'll sack their players if they're caught diving. While that may be a little harsh it at least shows that some people are prepared to take action. Ferguson should fine Ronaldo and anyone else that does it in the future. What he did yesterday was a f*cking shame and shows total disrespect for his fellow professionals. I'd be embarrassed to be playing alongside him. He's worse than Diouf and Francis Jeffers put together. It's not about hating Man U or anything because if Crouch or Fowler did it, i'd be saying the same thing!

[STEVIEG]

ya i agree. i reckon the referee's should take a tough stance on diving. by that i mean giving a straight red to the next player who tries to con the ref into giving them a penalty. Torquay recently said they'll sack their players if they're caught diving. While that may be a little harsh it at least shows that some people are prepared to take action. Ferguson should fine Ronaldo and anyone else that does it in the future. What he did yesterday was a f*cking shame and shows total disrespect for his fellow professionals. I'd be embarrassed to be playing alongside him. He's worse than Diouf and Francis Jeffers put together. It's not about hating Man U or anything because if Crouch or Fowler did it, i'd be saying the same thing!


I think "foreign" players are treated differently though
Interestingly, Liverpools only away goal before yesterday in the Premiership was from an almost identical incident, yet, no-one was calling Gerrard a disgrace (and he has previous too)
None of the two incidents were pens, but think both players genuinely lost their balance and fell
Also, i thought both were pens when i saw them first so i symphatise with the ref

[Edmund Blackwater]

I think "foreign" players are treated differently though
Interestingly, Liverpools only away goal before yesterday in the Premiership was from an almost identical incident, yet, no-one was calling Gerrard a disgrace (and he has previous too)
None of the two incidents were pens, but think both players genuinely lost their balance and fell
Also, i thought both were pens when i saw them first so i symphatise with the ref
The difference is that sometimes Gerrard won't dive.
Ronaldo always dives.

[STEVIEG]

The difference is that sometimes Gerrard won't dive.
Ronaldo always dives.


Nonsense
He stayed on his feet a lot more times yesterday than he dived
And he rarely dives for United

I wouldn't call Gerrard a serial diver either (Ronaldo is defo worse) but he doesn't always dive

Two opportunites here and he stayed on his feet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVt_MaYI6E

[Edmund Blackwater]

Nonsense
He stayed on his feet a lot more times yesterday than he dived
And he rarely dives for United

I wouldn't call Gerrard a serial diver either (Ronaldo is defo worse) but he doesn't always dive

Two opportunites here and he stayed on his feet
OK, maybe I'm over egging it a little, but I have seen him dive instead of staying on his feet when staying on his feet would have resulted in him having a gilt-edged opportunity to score.
I don't like the little bollox anyway. In many ways, he's an example of everything that's wrong with football:
1) He's a cheat
2) He's hyped to the last...unjustly so.
3) He never really does justice to the undoubted talent he has.
4) He's a cheat.

[STEVIEG]

OK, maybe I'm over egging it a little, but I have seen him dive instead of staying on his feet when staying on his feet would have resulted in him having a gilt-edged opportunity to score..


True, that wrecks my head about all these guys who dive

[STEVIEG]

no diving for us today stevie..fucking good game i thought


For ye it was

[STEVIEG]

he he he, wasn't it yer turn to loose anyway, i'm sick of loosing

Yeah, i think ye had more ball players today i'm looking forward to the next Sports v Langers game over Xmas though

[Forsberg]

Ok , here my neutral 2 cents.
In my opinion Ronaldo saw the keeper come towards him. He anticipated that there was gonna be contact and started to go down. he then realised that the keeper wasn't gonna make contact and as a result tried to stay on his feet. Hence the stumble rather than dive like motion. Now , personnaly I think it was identical to Gerrards against SU. At the time I said it was very harsh on Su and I think this was very harsh on Boro.

I don't think it's fair to lump Ronaldo's in with ,say Zokora against Pompey. It was blatant but I do think that he had the initial intention to win the penalty . He did dive for the free though. But hey i can guarantee that there was at least a player from each team this weekend who did the same.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Saying everyone else is doing it isn't a defence though.
If it was just yesterday's dive, then fair enough but he dives 3 or 4 times a game...minimum.

[Edmund Blackwater]

For those of you who haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNwI99ZZxjY

Won't win too many fair play awards this scumbag.

[ho chi feen]

For those of you who haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNwI99ZZxjY

Won't win too many fair play awards this scumbag.

If he wins the premiership (very big if as of yet) I'm sure he won't be too gutted.

[homer jay]

For those of you who haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNwI99ZZxjY

Won't win too many fair play awards this scumbag.

thats my first time seeing it, and to quote stevieg, it wasn't a dive and it wasn't a penalty. he fell over. ref shouldn't have given it.

[afeencalleddan]

it wasn't a dive and it wasn't a penalty. he fell over.I take it you're taking the piss. It was as bad as Zokora's. There was never going to be any serious contact.

[homer jay]

I take it you're taking the piss. It was as bad as Zokora's. There was never going to be any serious contact.

no piss taking. zokora was taking a leaf out of the klinsmann book of diving, ie. looking like he was taken out by a sniper. unless c. ronaldo is taking diving to new lows, it just looked as if he just fell over

[Edmund Blackwater]

Why is it so hard to believe he dived when the evidence is all there.
He has previous.
He has subsequent.
He's Portuguese...expert divers.
He plays at Manyoo where diving is encouraged.
He's a bollox who knows that the only end product he's ever produced has been penalties and free kicks.

It's all there.
Also, the video seems to be conclusive.

[Actin The Sham]

For those of you who haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNwI99ZZxjY

Won't win too many fair play awards this scumbag.

He is clearly shown trying to remain on his feet after stumbling in the box. I put it to you sir, that the referee is the one at fault here, as under no circumstances did Mr. Ronaldo "dive." Further, I also put it to you that following this incident Mr. W. Rooney, of Manchester United FC fired a shot goalbound which rebounded off a defenders arm. This incident came about after the Middlesborough FC defender half cleared the ball following Mr. Ronaldo's fall. The keeper was still on the ground, the ball fell to young Mr. Rooney, who tried a snap shot at it, and the result was that the defender blocked the shot with his arm. This happened before the referee blew the whistle and pointed to the spot, but by this time, the TV replays were running, replaying the incident regarding young Mr. ronaldo.


Finally, I also put it to you that your use of the term "scumbag" in this instance at least, is not warranted, and merely serves to weaken your own point ny highlighting your preconceived notions regarding the young Portuguese player.


I thank you.

[Sound]

Ref at fault for the pen but the second was pure filth.

[STEVIEG]

[QUOTE=Edmund Blackwater]
He plays at Manyoo where diving is encouraged.
QUOTE]


???????????????????

Anyway we have concluded that Ronaldo is a cheat, but Gerrard who also has previous and was involved in an identical incident, isn't???????

Yes..........

[Edmund Blackwater]

Jaap Stam's book.
I assume you read it.

We're not discussing Gerrard at the moment, but obviously he has gone down in the past.
Not as often as this lad though who appears to be allergic to lime.
Every time he crosses the line of the penalty area, he goes down.

[west cork rebel]

Every time he crosses the line of the penalty area, he goes down.

no he does not.

[STEVIEG]

Every time he crosses the line of the penalty area, he goes down.

Yup, that how he created the winner on Saturday
Anyway, i've gotta go but ill leave it at this from my point of view

No-one denies he has dived loads and i'm dissapointed in him myself for what he did at the World Cup but i think the coverage and criticism is sometimes overboard on non English players such as he

[Edmund Blackwater]

Yup, that how he created the winner on Saturday
Anyway, i've gotta go but ill leave it at this from my point of view

No-one denies he has dived loads and i'm dissapointed in him myself for what he did at the World Cup but i think the coverage and criticism is sometimes overboard on non English players such as he
The criticism over the incident in the world cup was unwarranted, certainly.
The rest of it isn't.

[STEVIEG]

The criticism over the incident in the world cup was unwarranted, certainly.
The rest of it isn't.

I actually think he deserved to be criticised for his diving in the world cup where he and his team were constantly at it
What goes around comes around they lost the semi due to a dive in my opinion
Anyway, im out

[Edmund Blackwater]

I actually think he deserved to be criticised for his diving in the world cup where he and his team were constantly at it
What goes around comes around they lost the semi due to a dive in my opinion
Anyway, im out
Ah, I thought you were referring to the hysteria that the engerlish whipped themselves into over the wink.
Carry on.

[west cork rebel]

Ah, I thought you were referring to the hysteria that the engerlish whipped themselves into over the wink.


that such a load of balls, they called him the cheat when it was Rooney who stamped on yer mans balls, that was overlooked.

[Actin The Sham]

Ah, I thought you were referring to the hysteria that the engerlish whipped themselves into over the wink.
Carry on.


Who are these "Engerlish" you speak of?


The people who live in the largest country on the neighbouring Island are known as "English." You appear to have a problem with them, and with the Portuguese. You have also used the word "wop" elsehwere on this forum, so I put it to you sir, that you are nothing more than an unreconstructed bigot.

In your opinion, which I daresay you are entitled to hold, Irish people should not watch the ashes either.

In my humble opinion, you should stick to the core of your (valid) argument, and try to avoid generalising about individuals purely on the basis of their place of birth.

[west cork rebel]

Who are these "Engerlish" you speak of?


i guess he refers to the 'Eng-er-land' chants that go round the stadium at England games.

[Edmund Blackwater]

engerlish are the little englanders who allow themselves to be whipped into a frenzy by the gutter press.
They call England eng-er-land.
Not my creation.

[KolaKubes]

It was a penalty.

[xvis]

thats my first time seeing it, and to quote stevieg, it wasn't a dive and it wasn't a penalty. he fell over. ref shouldn't have given it.
thank you.

exactly right. ..it wasn't a dive and it wasn't a pen.

both Ronaldo and the keeper attacked the ball at pace and a stumble ensued. There was no appeal from Ronaldo.


...I don't think there was enough in it to give a pen as KK said, ...a free may have been given outside the box for intent/obstruction, ..but not enough for a pen.

[Sound]

Whatever abput the pen, there are a lot of people blatantly ignoring the second one which was a dive.

[STEVIEG]

Whatever abput the pen, there are a lot of people blatantly ignoring the second one which was a dive.

Yup it was


and as i keep saying

I hope there as much interest in the next time a premiership player dives

Jose is becoming a little obsessed and rattled i think by young Ronnie and United

Oh the irony:):):)

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho admits he will be rooting for Benfica to overcome Manchester United in their Champions League Group F clash
United need a point to ensure they reach the knockout stage of the tournament but Mourinho warned Sir Alex Ferguson and his men that Benfica are capable of winning at Old Trafford.

And in a veiled dig at Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo, Mourinho said it would not be so easy for him to "get one of his penalties".

Ronaldo was at the centre of more controversy at the weekend when he earned United a penalty in their victory over Middlesbrough even though replays clearly showed there had been no contact between him and goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer.

Mourinho's Porto side knocked United out of the competition at the last-16 stage two years ago when Costinha's last-minute goal gave them a 3-2 aggregate success.

Now Mourinho believes Benfica can deliver a similar knockout blow to United.

Mourinho said: "Benfica is a team that when you watch them you don't know what is going to happen.

"The last game they were magnificent against Sporting Lisbon. They beat them 2-0 away and played very well. Players were performing at the highest level and the team looked very solid.

"If they go to Manchester and play at their highest level they can do it. Of course, it is not easy, but they can do it.

"They know Ronaldo well and how to deal with him. So it won't be easy for him to get one of his penalties. Benfica have got a chance.
"I will be rooting for them for sure, if I didn't I could not go home."

[MonTheHoops]

To be fair, that sounds an awful lot like.....

Reporter: What do you think of Benfica's chances?
Reporter: Do you think they can cope with Ronaldo?
Reporter: Who will you be supporting?

And then it's all sensationalised.

But Jose always gives good soundbytes anyway.

[STEVIEG]

Think Ronaldo has one something like one pen for United during the years

[STEVIEG]

And a former Porto and current Chelsea manager of Drogba and Robben on the moral highground about cheating

please.....

[MonTheHoops]

And a former Porto and current Chelsea manager of Drogba and Robben on the moral highground about cheating

please.....

That's him to a tee though. He couldn't possibly lecture anyone on playing the game right after Seville in 03. Baia, Deco etc were horrible to watch but that's the nature of the beast with Jose.

[AmadeusDC]

That's him to a tee though. He couldn't possibly lecture anyone on playing the game right after Seville in 03. Baia, Deco etc were horrible to watch but that's the nature of the beast with Jose.

Ya, that was a disgrace. I dunno how some of them could look at themselves in the mirror after the shite they pulled that night. The Portugese team in the World Cup were ridiculous as well. That clip where the ball comes into the box against France I think and every Portugese player falls over says it all. It's sad really. -AmadeusDC-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbt0aQu5hp0&mode=related&search=
It's about 40 seconds into this clip. Sad

[STEVIEG]

That's him to a tee though. He couldn't possibly lecture anyone on playing the game right after Seville in 03. Baia, Deco etc were horrible to watch but that's the nature of the beast with Jose.

Yup and he has forgotten that his Porto team beat United due to an unjust offside flag giving to a Scholes goal too (fair enough, but moralising on cheats, i'm sorry not from you Jose:))

[MonTheHoops]

Ya, that was a disgrace. I dunno how some of them could look at themselves in the mirror after the shite they pulled that night. The Portugese team in the World Cup were ridiculous as well. That clip where the ball comes into the box against France I think and every Portugese player falls over says it all. It's sad really. -AmadeusDC-


And without causing too many arguments, I reckon Ronnie would have scored at the weekend had he stayed on his feet.

[KolaKubes]

Think Ronaldo has one something like one pen for United during the years

Giggs was awarded his first penalty at Old Trafford about two seasons back.

Course, never let the facts get in the way of a good old anti-Utd rant.

Dunno about you Stevie, but allowing for the fact that everyone wants to see Chelsea lose out more, it's great to see this little bit of ABU nonsense now and again.

That's when I really start to think we're turning things around.

[STEVIEG]

Yeah i don't know things balance out overall
United didnt get the pens against Sheff United but got one Saturday
Cheating Portugal got unstuck by a dodgy pen in the WC semi's
And Jose got a man sent off against Spurs and a dissallowed goal for something his players always do

It all comes around in the end
We'll see what happens

[homer jay]

apart from edmund, who's being abu here?

[MonTheHoops]

Giggs was awarded his first penalty at Old Trafford about two seasons back.




And he's excelled himself since ;)

Robbie Savage hasn't won that meny penalties in his career. It doesn't stop him from being a cheat. Diving doesn't just occur inside the box and maybe Ronaldo would have got more penalties were it not for his reputation preceeding him. A fine talent but he's a diver plain and simple. It's a shame because he's capable of doing things with a ball that most players can only dream of.

[KolaKubes]

apart from edmund, who's being abu here?

Not here, the general wailing and gnashing of teeth in the media about a marginal penalty decision.

[homer jay]

Not here, the general wailing and gnashing of teeth in the media about a marginal penalty decision.

i wouldn't get too wound up by the footy websites. they have it in for chelsea a lot more than anyone else anyway. as i said to stevie plenty of times at this stage i'm sure, just because you criticise utd, it doesn't make you an ABU. you can't be claiming the seige mentality all the time.

[KolaKubes]

he's a diver plain and simple.

Semantics. They're all divers.

I think the argument should be over why some players (foreign players) are hauled over the coals like this while habitual divers who play for the right club or the FA team are ignored.

Gerrard for one. Joe Cole's another.

My sister's argument is that they're all just jealous of her beloved Ronaldo! :D

[ho chi feen]

Think Ronaldo has one something like one pen for United during the years

Won one at Stuttgart in 2003/4 as well, I think.

[Edmund Blackwater]

apart from edmund, who's being abu here?
Hang on.
How am I being abu?
I called Ronaldo a cheat.
The facts are indisputable.

This nameslinging is typical when someone is losing an argument or simply won't acknowledge the truth.
Divert the argument to something that's false and irrelevant but can unite all supporters of that club.
The tactic of someone that's rattled.

[ho chi feen]

Professional Sportsmen In Gamesmanship Shocker!!!!

[homer jay]

Semantics. They're all divers.

I think the argument should be over why some players (foreign players) are hauled over the coals like this while habitual divers who play for the right club or the FA team are ignored.

Gerrard for one. Joe Cole's another.

My sister's argument is that they're all just jealous of her beloved Ronaldo! :D

thats some stretch of the imagination calling gerrard an habitual diver ffs. and you were doing so well up until then :rolleyes:

[Rebelred]

thats some stretch of the imagination calling gerrard an habitual diver ffs. and you were doing so well up until then :rolleyes:
type Gerrard Dive into youtube search... ;)

in fact, type any of the lads already mentioned in this thread into youtube with the word dive there aswell and you'll get a good few results for each.

[homer jay]

Hang on.
How am I being abu?
I called Ronaldo a cheat.
The facts are indisputable.

you also completely generalised by calling Portuguese "expert divers". by saying diving is encouraged at utd, you're endorsing the ABU. have you seen this encouragement personally? have you heard ferguson or the other fella giving instructions to his players to dive? no, you're taking jaap stams autobiography as gospel. well done, round of applause here :roll: .

which facts are indisputable? c. ronaldo dives, everyone knows that ffs. imo he didn't dive for the penalty.

This nameslinging is typical when someone is losing an argument or simply won't acknowledge the truth.
Divert the argument to something that's false and irrelevant but can unite all supporters of that club.
The tactic of someone that's rattled.

who's nameslinging? you're the one losing the argument here. if you have a point to make, make it. don't start generalising just to stir up some shit.

[homer jay]

type Gerrard Dive into youtube search... ;)

in fact, type any of the lads already mentioned in this thread into youtube with the word dive there aswell and you'll get a good few results for each.

i'm not arguing he hasn't dived, i'm just saying he wouldn't be considered an habitual diver in the mould of c. ronaldo, deco, drogba, robben etc etc.

[ho chi feen]

i'm not arguing he hasn't dived, i'm just saying he wouldn't be considered an habitual diver in the mould of c. ronaldo, deco, drogba, robben etc etc.

You think?

[homer jay]

You think?

yeah, i do.

[Sound]

Stevie has had some utter shockers- Bolton and City come to mind. But neither he nor Ronaldo come anywhere near Drogba or that cunt Robben.

[ho chi feen]

yeah, i do.

No point in carrying this discussion any further in that case.

[STEVIEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prcxxr4bJ3E


Most of the other Gerrard ones from earlier in the thread have been removed by the Premier League from Youtube

[STEVIEG]

And a personal favourite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L073tGdLETo

All teams have divers unfortunately

[Edmund Blackwater]

you also completely generalised by calling Portuguese "expert divers".

Am I wrong?
See Portugal in the world cup.
See Porto in the Champion's league
See Sporting Lisbon last year in the UEFA cup and this year in the CL
Wait for the outcry when Benfica do manyoo.

by saying diving is encouraged at utd, you're endorsing the ABU. have you seen this encouragement personally? have you heard ferguson or the other fella giving instructions to his players to dive? no, you're taking jaap stams autobiography as gospel. well done, round of applause here :roll: .

I don't know what goes on at Utd training sessions and neither do you
In the absence of first hand information, you need to look around for reliable sources.
Stam was a Manyoo player at the time. He had no reason to lie. I put it to you that if Jaap Stam says that Utd players were encouraged to dive, then Utd players were and are encouraged to dive.


which facts are indisputable? c. ronaldo dives, everyone knows that ffs. imo he didn't dive for the penalty.

He went down without being touched.
Dive.
A cheat.



who's nameslinging? you're the one losing the argument here. if you have a point to make, make it. don't start generalising just to stir up some shit.
You haven't addressed anything I've said and disproved it.
Rattled.


Also, on the Gerrard thing, everyone knows he dives.
But, he doesn't do it as often as ronaldo. Gerrard goes down if it looks like he'll lose possesion, Ronaldo goes down full stop.
Not that I care much for Gerrard either, just he isn't a serial diver.

[west cork rebel]

imo i dont think Ronaldo dived for the penalty, i think he stumbeled, he tried to either take it round the keeper or get a touch off the keeper so he could then fall and win a penalty, but failed and stumbeled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNwI99ZZxjY

look he tries go round the keeper here, i do agree with you that is does dive, and that runis his skill becasue he we end talking more about him diving then his skill.

in the same game look at him here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVt_MaYI6E

[homer jay]

No point in carrying this discussion any further in that case.

tell that to stevie

[STEVIEG]

tell that to stevie


Read the thread that you started from the start i've posted what i just posted months ago (a lot of the best Gerrard dives have been deleted by the Premier League from youtube but the international ones are still up)

Calling Ronaldo a cheat and Gerrard a stumbler is what seems to happen sometimes and the evidence shows they have both doing the exact same thing..

[homer jay]

Am I wrong?
See Portugal in the world cup.
See Porto in the Champion's league
See Sporting Lisbon last year in the UEFA cup and this year in the CL
Wait for the outcry when Benfica do manyoo.

so every single Portuguese player in history was a cheat? this is primary school stuff ffs. have a bit of cop on and quit generalising.

I don't know what goes on at Utd training sessions and neither do you
In the absence of first hand information, you need to look around for reliable sources.
Stam was a Manyoo player at the time. He had no reason to lie. I put it to you that if Jaap Stam says that Utd players were encouraged to dive, then Utd players were and are encouraged to dive.

who knows why he wrote it. maybe its true, maybe its not. maybe he wrote it so he'd get sold.

He went down without being touched.
Dive.
A cheat.

yeah, he fell over. most people seem to be of that opinion. you have yours, but i'll have to disagree with it.

You haven't addressed anything I've said and disproved it.
Rattled.

see above. what do you want me to disprove? that ronaldo dives? i already said i agree. that all portuguese are expert divers? you'll have to prove that yourself. you'll have to try a lot lot harder to rattle me.

Also, on the Gerrard thing, everyone knows he dives.
But, he doesn't do it as often as ronaldo. Gerrard goes down if it looks like he'll lose possesion, Ronaldo goes down full stop.
Not that I care much for Gerrard either, just he isn't a serial diver.

that was my point.

[homer jay]

Read the thread that you started from the start i've posted what i just posted months ago (a lot of the best Gerrard dives have been deleted by the Premier League from youtube but the international ones are still up)

Calling Ronaldo a cheat and Gerrard a stumbler is what seems to happen sometimes and the evidence shows they have both doing the exact same thing..

all i said was that calling gerrard an habitual diver was a stretch of the imagination. the cows in the field knows he dives stevie, not as habitually as the others i mentioned.
a few mancs on here have been saying c. ronaldo has been cutting out the diving since the start of the season, and i'd agree. gerrard has also cut out the diving. but now apparently (i haven't seen the free kick incident) c. ronaldo is at it again. if thats not the definition of habitual, i dunno what is. maybe its a one off, we'll have to wait and see. i just don't see why you decided to post the gerrard dives again.
this is getting way too bogged down. christ, if fat tom was still here, we'd be at this for another week.

[STEVIEG]

[QUOTE=homer jay i just don't see why you decided to post the gerrard dives again.
.[/QUOTE]

Because these videos don't lie
People here, just like in the wider reporting of the incidents in the media, have made a massive distinction between two players who have a lot more similarities than we think
Anyway, we both agree they both dive so that's that

[homer jay]

Because these videos don't lie
People here, just like in the wider reporting of the incidents in the media, have made a massive distinction between two players who have a lot more similarities than we think
Anyway, we both agree they both dive so that's that

cool. consider this buried :mrgreen:

[Edmund Blackwater]

Because these videos don't lie
People here, just like in the wider reporting of the incidents in the media, have made a massive distinction between two players who have a lot more similarities than we think
Anyway, we both agree they both dive so that's that
There's fuck all similarities, to be fair.
One's an amusement arcade with no end product who goes down quicker than a crackhead whore and the other makes (or has made in the past) telling and match winning contributions.

[STEVIEG]

There's fuck all similarities, to be fair.
One's an amusement arcade with no end product who goes down quicker than a crackhead whore and the other makes (or has made in the past) telling and match winning contributions.


That's weird
What happened at the end of this match............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L073tGdLETo

[AmadeusDC]

That's weird
What happened at the end of this match............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L073tGdLETo

heh heh. :D

-AmadeusDC-

[Rebelred]

That's weird
What happened at the end of this match............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L073tGdLETo
case closed

[Edmund Blackwater]

That's weird
What happened at the end of this match............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L073tGdLEToP iss poor attempt.
You should have found a vid of each of them running on to the pitch to prove the simalarities.

[STEVIEG]

Case closed God this is easy.............

[Lamps]

heh heh. :D

-AmadeusDC-

I don't know what this thread is about and i have no intention of going through it but such sychophancy has no place in this forum. Cut it out.

[Actin The Sham]

apart from edmund, who's being abu here?


You.


Scouse Lover!


;)

[Actin The Sham]

I don't know what this thread is about and i have no place in this forum. Cut it out.


Was that the part you wanted cut out?


;)

[homer jay]

You.


Scouse Lover!


;)

:p not this time.

i was defending the mancs, and i shall pay dearly for this :cry: .

[STEVIEG]

Ferguson attacks Ronaldo critics

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has hit out at critics of Cristiano Ronaldo, saying he is the "most fouled player in the country".

Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate labelled Ronaldo a serial diver after the winger won a penalty on Saturday.

But Ferguson said: "What's more serious in our game, preventing the best players playing or going on for three days about a dive that wasn't a dive?

"I have seen it a million times and Cristiano lost his balance completely."

The Scot went on: "As I have said time and time again, we do not condone diving and Cristiano knows that.

"But it is difficult for players who run as quickly as he does. For instance, if you were driving at 70mph in a car and another car comes out in front of you, do you brake or carry on?

"The interpretation is down to the referee but, to me, it was a clear penalty."

Southgate said he felt cheated after Ronaldo went down in the 19th minute at The Riverside, with television replays showing keeper Mark Schwarzer had made no contact.


However, Ronaldo argued that he was merely taking evasive action.

"Southgate stopped playing football last year. He needs to understand football much better," said the 21-year-old Portuguese international.

"I was trying to get past the goalkeeper. I lost my balance.

"I realise people criticise me for anything I do. They love to do that ever since the World Cup. But it doesn't bother me."

Ferguson agreed with Ronaldo's account and branded Southgate's remarks "naive".

The United boss went on to accuse the English media of using the incident to attack Ronaldo for his role in Wayne Rooney's sending-off at the World Cup.

"It is revenge for the English press," he said. "They have been waiting months to do this since the World Cup."

Ferguson also believes Ronaldo is not winning as many free-kicks as he should because of a reputation he gained in his first season for going to ground too easily.

"It is possible referees are still judging Cristiano on the way he played in his first season," said Ferguson.

"The first thing that happened to him at Middlesbrough on Saturday was that he was hacked from behind. The referee did not book the player, which only encourages players to keep kicking him and kicking him.

"All I know is that Cristiano is the most fouled player in the Premiership and the stats are there to back it up."

[Edmund Blackwater]

Ferguson attacks Ronaldo critics"
Could so easily have been titled:
Ferguson defends cheat.

[xvis]

Could so easily have been titled:
Ferguson defends cheat.

...give it up, it's boring.

..you're about the only one on here of about 10 opinions who thinks it was a dive.


Being an ABU is one of the most derisory titles for any 'sports fan'.

[STEVIEG]

Great stuff by Fergie Ronaldo laughing it off fuck them all this obsession with Ronaldo is becoming tiring


http://i14.tinypic.com/33nu9so.jpg



Very little mention of this anywhere very suprising
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4nvl5ZTjDAM

[Edmund Blackwater]

...give it up, it's boring.

..you're about the only one on here of about 10 opinions who thinks it was a dive.


Being an ABU is one of the most derisory titles for any 'sports fan'.
Read the thread.
There's more than me that thinks it.
basically everyone that isn't a manyoo fan (admittedly that's not many) and sound think it was a dive. And it was.

[STEVIEG]

http://i13.tinypic.com/2jakk5y.jpg

[xvis]

Read the thread.
There's more than me that thinks it.
basically everyone that isn't a manyoo fan (admittedly that's not many) and sound think it was a dive. And it was.

Sound is maybe the other one than yourself who thinks it was a dive.

..many others, such as Homer Jay (pool fan) think it wasn't a dive, ..having read most of the posts the majority think it was not a dive.

..the incident doesn't warrant such ABU feverish bile, ..save it for a possible Benfica win.

[STEVIEG]

Well said Xvis



A 10 page thread on cheating that has been running since early in the season has nearly doubled since Saturday night on one incident

[Edmund Blackwater]

Sound is maybe the other one than yourself who thinks it was a dive.

..many others, such as Homer Jay (pool fan) think it wasn't a dive, ..having read most of the posts the majority think it was not a dive.

..the incident doesn't warrant such ABU feverish bile, ..save it for a possible Benfica win.
I am impartial.
I don't support any of the clubs it would affect.
It was a dive plain and simple.
He left his leg out waiting for it to be caught by the goalie so he could go down.
The goalie didn't catch it.
He went doen and won a penalty.
A dive.
Take off the 10 year Roy Keane commemoration shades for a minute and look at it objectively.
What would you be saying if that was Henry or Gerrard who dived?

[STEVIEG]

What would you be saying if that was Henry or Gerrard who dived?


Read the whole thread especially the first few pages there are multiple examples of both Gerrard and Henry diving clearly but none of these incidents warranted the same fuss as Ronaldo

Rooney was involved in a similar peno a few weeks ago and yet their wasn't the same reaction either

Ronaldo is being unfairly singled out

[Edmund Blackwater]

Ronaldo is being unfairly singled out
I couldn't really comment on those dives as I wasn't registered.
I'm saying if Henry or Gerrard or Drogba dived in the same vein, this forum would be going mental as you're all manyoo fans(a ver large majority anyway) yet when ronaldo does it, it's the refs fault or he fell.
When Ferguson defends his player in the media, because he knows that for a while refs will be keeping an eye on him and thus will reduce the number of times he gets away with it in the next few matches, the idiots on here don't realise why Ferguson does it or even that Ferguson knows it was a dive and take everything he says at face value.
I'm not an abu, I'm pointing out that Ronaldo is a cheat and I'm not letting him off the hook with this falling thing. He tried to get a penalty, fucked it up and the ref still gave it to him even though the dive was pathetic...on a par with Pires' dive against portsmouth, Vieira's against Liverpool and Rooney's against, I think, portsmouth(the one for the penalty).

The reason Ronaldo is singled out, along with Drogba, is not because they are foreign. It is because they are serial cheats. it's 50-50 whether they'll dive or try to do something with the ball.

[xvis]

He went doen and won a penalty.
A dive.
..you say dive. ...we say stumble/evasive action, we know where each other stands. The youtube link has been posted.



What would you be saying if that was Henry or Gerrard who dived?

I think there was more 'voluntary collapse' in Gerrard under Gattuso in Istanbul than the Ronaldo incident on saturday.

..If Gerrard or Henry dive or not, I'll call it as I see the incident.

Gerrard particularly engages in a lot of 'voluntary collapse'.

[Otto_the_bus_driver]

Whoops ,

[STEVIEG]

I couldn't really comment on those dives as I wasn't registered.
I'm saying if Henry or Gerrard or Drogba dived in the same vein, this forum would be going mental as you're all manyoo fans
.


There's not that many United fans here to be honest some of the criticism of him over the weekend was by a United fan (Dotty) and even I have held my hand up and said he has dived many times

The early pages in this thread are still open to see and show examples of Gerrard and Henry and many more diving but that's exactly my point

There is NOT the same outrage when English players or media favs dive
The amount of pages devoted to Ronaldo speaks for itself
Anyway, this is getting really boring now
We'll beg to differ

[homer jay]

tut tut, paul scholes taking a dive. desperation stakes when things like that start happening.

[KolaKubes]

In a game in which oil barons are lining up to play games with Premiership clubs, I can't get bothered about Ronaldo, Gerrard, Rooney, Cole, Van Persie and every other fucking player diving.

It's like complaining about the quality of service on the Titanic.

[Sound]

..you say dive. ...we say stumble/evasive action, we know where each other stands. The youtube link has been posted.





I think there was more 'voluntary collapse' in Gerrard under Gattuso in Istanbul than the Ronaldo incident on saturday.

..If Gerrard or Henry dive or not, I'll call it as I see the incident.

Gerrard particularly engages in a lot of 'voluntary collapse'.

I have called every dive Gerrard has ever engaged in on here but there was no dive for the pen in the CL- that was as nailed on as you'll ever see.

[Lamps]

I liked the way Trevor Steven said sarcastically "typical Paul Scholes tackle" after he scythed down yet another Benfica player last night. Another Proc reader realising the truth

[ho chi feen]

Corradi just now for cITEH... pure comedy gold! :p

[Loftydog]

Corradi just now for cITEH... pure comedy gold! :p

Id love to have seen the bitters faces when that happened! After all they had said about ronaldo

[xvis]

I have called every dive Gerrard has ever engaged in on here but there was no dive for the pen in the CL- that was as nailed on as you'll ever see.

It was a penalty, ...just.
...Gattuso was clumsy, but Gerrard made sure the ref gave it by going down. Gerrard enhanced it in more of a way than the Ronaldo incident v Boro IMO.

[Forsberg]

Corradi just now for cITEH... pure comedy gold! :p


Fair play to Pearce. " Most managers would come on here snd give some bullshit excuse- He dived and we'll deal with it"

A dig at Fergie last week i reckon.

[ho chi feen]

I'm not too drawn into all this faux-posturising and moralising we've seen with regards to this issue over the last few months, and I just thought it was funny. Fucking hilarious, really. It was so bad that there was nothing the ref could do but show a second yellow, whereas, to be fair to referees, it's rarely so clear cut that they can do this. I thought the Italians were the masters of these dark arts? Not on this evidence.

As I said, it was laughable. But if the player in question wasn't a nobody, playing for a nothing side, but happened to be on the opposition team, or the current champions (or, possibly at a push, a gooner) we'd be having this held up by the usual suspects in the media (Green, Gray and so forth) as the embodiment of decadence eating away at the very core of the beautiful game. Bollocks.

[ho chi feen]

It was a penalty, ...just.

There you go though. Where's the line between what is and what is not a penalty (or a free kick, but to a much lesser extent)? Very often, it's down to whether the player stays on his feet or not. This means that players who try and play on to gain a (potential) advantage will run the risk of not being awarded a just penalty, and conversely one who has been clattered, or almost clattered, in such a way that doesn't quite constitute an offence knows that if he (let's be generous here) makes a less than determined effort to stay on his feet knows there's a possibility that one will be awarded.

Not quite the same issue, but one thing that fucks me off no end is referees playing the advantage and then not going back to book the offender afterwards when the infringement was clearly a bookable offence, or worse still, when play develops and no real advantage comes from, not calling the ball back to award the free. It's telling that on the incidents when referees do this correctly, it's deemed praiseworthy. Surely some sort of a directive could be issued on this?

Another issue is the way assitant referees call offsides- the directive was issued three years ago that they should give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team; that they should only flag when they see 'clear air' between the attacker and the last defender at the time the ball is played. Take a look at any marginal offside call, and the benefit is still uniformly given the defending team.

[Corkonian]

Speaking of cheaters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGKN1Serfo

[STEVIEG]

Welcome to about 6 months ago.......

[STEVIEG]

I'm not too drawn into all this faux-posturising and moralising we've seen with regards to this issue over the last few months, and I just thought it was funny. Fucking hilarious, really. It was so bad that there was nothing the ref could do but show a second yellow, whereas, to be fair to referees, it's rarely so clear cut that they can do this. I thought the Italians were the masters of these dark arts? Not on this evidence.

As I said, it was laughable. But if the player in question wasn't a nobody, playing for a nothing side, but happened to be on the opposition team, or the current champions (or, possibly at a push, a gooner) we'd be having this held up by the usual suspects in the media (Green, Gray and so forth) as the embodiment of decadence eating away at the very core of the beautiful game. Bollocks.

well said

[Forsberg]

Lehmann and Drogba- Pure comedy gold.

[ho chi feen]

Lehmann and Drogba- Pure comedy gold.


heh heh heh

[Sound]

the author does not cheat

Originality is dead.

[TrickyBrick]

No, at least in that situation Campbell made contact.

The "genius" Reyes was tackled (not fouled necessarily) in that match, how many times do your reckon?

Another fucking ABU myth.

The balletic Arsenal players kicked off the field by notorious ruffians Darren Fletcher and Gary Neville.

are u seeing things?Campbel made no contact with rooney in that game, id say your watching too much sky sports listenin to all the ENGLISH commentators harp on about how english players dont dive, it was plain to see that in that game Rooney took a blatent dive!!!

[KolaKubes]

are u seeing things?Campbel made no contact with rooney in that game, id say your watching too much sky sports listenin to all the ENGLISH commentators harp on about how english players dont dive, it was plain to see that in that game Rooney took a blatent dive!!!
Have some of you lot ever played?

If I dribble around a defender, he challenges me but doesn't win the ball, it's a penalty regardless of whether there's any contact. He's stopped my progress in on goal, it's a foul.

If you make a tackle in the box you better get the ball because if your challenge prevents a scoring chance and you haven't, it's given as a penalty.

You can give an indirect free kick inside the box but there's so much crap going on in the box these days with any set piece, it's be very hard to start enforcing that as an option.

[Forsberg]

Have some of you lot ever played?

If I dribble around a defender, he challenges me but doesn't win the ball, it's a penalty regardless of whether there's any contact. He's stopped my progress in on goal, it's a foul.


Campbell puilled his leg away long before Rooney had even got close to it. He didn't impede his run past him. Rooney dived . Simple as


Why is there a discussion about a dive that happened 2 years ago anyway?

[ho chi feen]

Every player has been a cheat at least once. This thread will turn out to be a long list of players past and present.

You seem to be fairly reasonable and well-balanced.

So what are you doing here?

[KolaKubes]

You seem to be fairly reasonable and well-balanced.

So what are you doing here?
Ya Vendredi, get the fuck out. ;)

[Sound]

C Ronaldo versus Spurs. Glad to see the concerted campaign to erradicate it from his game is going well.

[Actin The Sham]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9chcPmSYFw

There was contact, but he did make the most of it. It was a penalty.

[Sound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9chcPmSYFw

There was contact, but he did make the most of it. It was a penalty.

Give over.

[Forsberg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9chcPmSYFw

There was contact, but he did make the most of it. It was a penalty.

No it wasn't a pen.

I've also noticed that there seems to be a concerted effort by Sky not to criticsie Ronaldo in these instances. The same thing happened at the Riverside with Andy Gray replaying it fron a million different angles to find one that might suggest contact Apparently now though , there doesn't even need to be contact in some instances ffs ( ie ones that include the prems "star" player!!)

Ronaldo was superb yesterday but he dived to win the pen

[RonnyB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9chcPmSYFw

There was contact, but he did make the most of it. It was a penalty.

Is it any wonder we get a bad name & people hate us.

[STEVIEG]

The bid difference is that this is gonna be reported

While the peno United should have definitely got is gonna be swept under the carpet like the Berbatov dive (Spurs could have got a pen too in the first half)
The ref was shit in fairness

[Forsberg]

The bid difference is that this is gonna be reported

While the peno United should have definitely got is gonna be swept under the carpet like the Berbatov dive (Spurs could have got a pen too in the first half)
The ref was shit in fairness

The difference is Steve, Berbatov didn't get a pen so you can't compare them

[Sound]

What a stunner that all the Utd fans come out in support of Ronaldo. FFS, what a total joke. Any time Gerrard, Momo and , in the past, Baros or Owen dived I have been honest and independent enough to call them on it on here.

[STEVIEG]

The difference is Steve, Berbatov didn't get a pen

Neither did Larsson

I'm not fully convinced the Ronaldo one wasn't a pen but he went down too easily alright

[STEVIEG]

What a stunner that all the Utd fans come out in support of Ronaldo. FFS, what a total joke. Any time Gerrard, Momo and , in the past, Baros or Owen dived I have been honest and independent enough to call them on it on here.



Facts right Sound

Ronny B called a dive

So did Ho Chi

I think he went down too easily but im not convinced it wasn't a pen

[POL]

I think he went down too easily but im not convinced it wasn't a penwhat an absolute fucking mockery

[Sound]

Facts right Sound

Ronny B called a dive

So did Ho Chi

I think he went down too easily but im not convinced it wasn't a pen

Fair's fair, they did indeed but they are in the monority on a very clear cut case.

[STEVIEG]

Fair's fair, they did indeed but they are in the monority on a very clear cut case.

It's not very clear cut

It happened very quickly


After dissecting it carefully on youtube i'd be inclined to say he probably dived but i'm certainly not convinced

He defo made the most of it though

It was a pen anyway as far as i'm concerned the intent was there

Larssons was a pen too

As was Nevilles dragging back of the Spurs player
Fair is fair

Shit happens in football

The ref was crap

Like the one last week who cost United two legitimate goals

[legend76]

Mark Clattenburg is deffo a cheat. He's the guy who failed to award Pedro Mendes fifthy yard wonder goal against United at old trafford, no surprises then that he didn't see Gary Neville drag Chimbonda to the ground, or Rio Clip Berbatov, but did see Ronaldo "dive" and gleefully awarded a Penalty

[STEVIEG]

No mention of Larsson

Or Berbatovs really embarrassing dive


I thought i was biased




The ref was crap

Some of the decisions were shit

But Spurs were still terrible in fairness and would have probably lost the game anyway

[RonnyB]

Mark Clattenburg is deffo a cheat. He's the guy who failed to award Pedro Mendes fifthy yard wonder goal against United at old trafford, no surprises then that he didn't see Gary Neville drag Chimbonda to the ground, or Rio Clip Berbatov, but did see Ronaldo "dive" and gleefully awarded a Penalty

Give him credit on the Mendes 'goal'. That was the linesmans fault.

Berbatov over played Rio's contact & clearly has'nt the same technique as Ronaldo when it comes to going to ground. My initial reaction to his decisions were that he got both right, it was only when I saw the replays that the doubts started.

[Actin The Sham]

Is it any wonder we get a bad name & people hate us.

Sling it newbie.

[KolaKubes]

Fair's fair, they did indeed but they are in the monority on a very clear cut case.

A "very clear cut case"?

George Graham and Ray Wilkins couldn't agree with it. None of the crowd on Sky could agree with it.

How can you claim it was a "very clear cut case"?

Incidentally, for all those who still harp on about Rooney's dive against Arsenal a few years ago. You might have noticed the comment by Richard Keyes that FIFA have indicated that contact is not necessary for it to be a penalty. A player who gets impeded (even if he vaults theatrically out of the way), that's a penalty.

Also, I thought Ferdinand's drag back on Berbatov was a clear penalty even if Berbatov made the most of it. Ditto Gary Neville's rugby tackle on Chimbonda in the box.

I'm quite consistent on this score. If a defender sticks his leg in in the box and doesn't get the ball, I'd call that as a penalty most of the time. Tough shit on the defender I'd say.

[legend76]

It's not very clear cut

It happened very quickly


After dissecting it carefully on youtube i'd be inclined to say he probably dived but i'm certainly not convinced

He defo made the most of it though

It was a pen anyway as far as i'm concerned the intent was there

Larssons was a pen too

As was Nevilles dragging back of the Spurs player
Fair is fair

Shit happens in football

The ref was crap

Like the one last week who cost United two legitimate goals

In Fairness to Stevie G , he has spoken very highly of Spurs on the PROC, so i can't say he has a bias against yids. In fairness to United, the better team won in the end, the margin didn't really reflect the game as a whole, but Spurs again were gutless when they went behind. I think the whole Tottenham squad should probably go and watch Rocky Balboa, "it's not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward"

[Actin The Sham]

Fair's fair, they did indeed but they are in the monority on a very clear cut case.

You are talking about a "sports forum," not "the mutual admiration society of sky watching intellegentsia" here.

He made the most of it, fact. There was contact, fact. He has dived in the past, fact.

The referee called it as a penalty, fact.


As for anything else, I couldn't give a flying fuck, fact.

[Actin The Sham]

In Fairness to Stevie G , he has spoken very highly of Spurs on the PROC, so i can't say he has a bias against yids. In fairness to United, the better team won in the end, the margin didn't really reflect the game as a whole, but Spurs again were gutless when they went behind. I think the whole Tottenham squad should probably go and watch Rocky Balboa, "it's not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward"



I think they should have played Robbie Keane from the start, Defoe was a disgrace when he was coming off.

When Keane came on the game was lost, but at least he had a bit of passion. Reminded me of Ciaran Fitzgerald: "Where's your fucking pride?"

Keane may have his critics, but he is definitely a trier.

[lionelhutz]

The bid difference is that this is gonna be reported

While the peno United should have definitely got is gonna be swept under the carpet like the Berbatov dive (Spurs could have got a pen too in the first half)
The ref was shit in fairness

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=940 07&page=2

stevie, was making the point to koladude/ronnyb last week that manc fans go along and justify his constant cheating by pointing to other incidents where they "should have" been given a decision. the fact is, roni gets involved in cheating week in week out. if hes that good he shouldn't have to resort to this behaviour.

[POL]

Ronaldo brings shame to Ireland when he dives like that

[STEVIEG]

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=940 07&page=2

stevie, was making the point to koladude/ronnyb last week that manc fans go along and justify his constant cheating by pointing to other incidents where they "should have" been given a decision. the fact is, roni gets involved in cheating week in week out. if hes that good he shouldn't have to resort to this behaviour.

The other incidents rarely get mentioned though

It's not justifying it

If he cheats (and he does) it's wrong
Portugal in the summer was a good example of constant diving and cheating
He has imporved in this regard for United and even though there is a doubt in my mind, i agree he went over far too easily against Spurs


Ronny made a good point about how cheating doesn't help him
It cost United a crucial 2 points at Birmingham last year as he was unfairly deemed to dive when he was actually fouled

[STEVIEG]

Spurs again were gutless when they went behind. I think the whole Tottenham squad should probably go and watch Rocky Balboa, "it's not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward"

As you said I like Spurs and this is one thing that i'm a bit concerned about

I thought the chelsea game showed they might have changed mentally but there's still a sense of inferiority against the bigger teams

Decisions didn't fall for them against United or Arsenal but they caved in far too easily after going behind
It's defo time for some of their big players to stand up

A tough few weeks ahead for Jol hopefully they will win the UEFA Cup and go further in the FA Cup-I think the league campaign has been very dissapointing as they have lost more than the entire of last season already but hopefully they will get something in the Cup and take some points of Chelsea at the Bridge in the Prem:)

[RonnyB]

Sling it newbie.

Highly original. Clear pen so you say? The guy threw himself to ground and you're defending him. I might be new to the forum but that does'nt mean I cant see a dive when it happens.

Kola its grand saying that even if there isnt contact it can be viewed as impeding. Well if there isnt contact players should stay on their feet. If the contact occurs fair enough. It was'nt as if Malbranque yesterday or even Campbell 2 years ago went in with high 2 footed challenges.

[lionelhutz]

The other incidents rarely get mentioned though

It's not justifying it

If he cheats (and he does) it's wrong
Portugal in the summer was a good example of constant diving and cheating
He has imporved in this regard for United and even though there is a doubt in my mind, i agree he went over far too easily against Spurs


Ronny made a good point about how cheating doesn't help him
It cost United a crucial 2 points at Birmingham last year as he was unfairly deemed to dive when he was actually fouled

justify, reconcile... whatever ye want to call it, fergie condones it and a lot of manc fans follow suit. its cheating and its ruining the game. it should be stamped out however winning by cheating seems to hold sway. the suggestion that he has improved in his cheating and diving is absolutely correct. the dive yesterday was top drawer. utd deservedly kicked spurs off the park yesterday, they didn't need to cheat to win, but they did.

[Roman Abramovich]

justify, reconcile... whatever ye want to call it, fergie condones it and a lot of manc fans follow suit. its cheating and its ruining the game. it should be stamped out however winning by cheating seems to hold sway. the suggestion that he has improved in his cheating and diving is absolutely correct. the dive yesterday was top drawer. utd deservedly kicked spurs off the park yesterday, they didn't need to cheat to win, but they did.

what he said































*bumslap*

[STEVIEG]

justify, reconcile... whatever ye want to call it, fergie condones it and a lot of manc fans follow suit. its cheating and its ruining the game.

But how are Manchester United different to
Spurs (Zikora)
Arsenal (Van persie)
Liverpool (Gerrard)
Chelsea (Drogba)

Is it just United who are ruining the game?

[POL]

But how are Manchester United different to
Spurs (Zikora)
Arsenal (Van persie)
Liverpool (Gerrard)
Chelsea (Drogba)

Is it just United who are ruining the game?oh please, this "everybody else is doing it, so its ok" line is wearing very thin indeed

[STEVIEG]

Answer the question people

Is it just Manchester United that are cheating and ruining the game?

[homer jay]

But how are Manchester United different to
Spurs (Zikora)
Arsenal (Van persie)
Liverpool (Gerrard)
Chelsea (Drogba)

Is it just United who are ruining the game?

nobody is saying they're any different. you can't just trot out the 'well such & such dived, and nothing was said about that.' c ronaldo dived. thats the fact of the matter. if you want to bring up a discussion on whether berbatov or whoever else dived, please do. but that's a different discussion.

earlier this season i commented that c ronaldo had been doing well and cutting out the diving. but since then he's had this and the free kick (can't remember who it was against, there was a "penalty" in that one as well) he dived for. he was a cheat, and he still is a cheat.

[STEVIEG]

nobody is saying they're any different.

That's not the impression i got from Lionel's post........

And nobody is saying that it is alright that he cheats either.....

[legend76]

But how are Manchester United different to
Spurs (Zikora)
Arsenal (Van persie)
Liverpool (Gerrard)
Chelsea (Drogba)

Is it just United who are ruining the game?


when did spurs sign Russian actor Vitali Zikora???

He might be the next Rebrov

http://imdb.com/name/nm0956417/

[POL]

Answer the question people

Is it just Manchester United that are cheating and ruining the game?yes

[elwood blues]

the level of diving and feigning injury is getting out of control and is indeed bad for the game.
In the Ronaldo instant yesterday most peoples first reaction including the ref was penalty.With the benefit of replays he obviously dived.Is it time to bring in a post match panel who can award yellow cards or whatever punishment is deemed necessary for blatant diving?
On another point,does Robbie Keanes inability to go around John "the cat" O Shea confirm him as the worst one on one striker of all time?

[STEVIEG]

when did spurs sign Russian actor Vitali Zikora???

He might be the next Rebrov

http://imdb.com/name/nm0956417/

Okay the details were wrong!

[homer jay]

That's not the impression i got from Lionel's post........

And nobody is saying that it is alright that he cheats either.....

well if you're wondering why this is/will get so much publicity maybe its due to the fact that

1. utd are the favourites for the title. more column inches will be devoted to the favourites, good or bad. utd get plenty of publicity for playing 'great football' and stuffing teams, especially on here. this place is like a utd fanzine half the time ffs.

2. it was a match turning decision, and it was just before half time. you could argue all night whether spurs woulda held out or won themselves if that penalty hadn't been given.