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liam2me
20-06-2006, 10:52 AM
Ireland team: Dempsey; Horgan, B O'Driscoll (capt), D'Arcy, Trimble; O'Gara, Stringer; Horan, Flannery, Hayes; O'Callaghan, O'Connell; N Best, Wallace, Leamy.
Replacements: R Best, Young, M O'Driscoll, Gleeson, Boss, Staunton, Murphy.

i really don't understand why some of the pack aren't getting a rest, they're nackered after this season. and i still think POC and horan aren't fully fit after thier injuries in the HC
Langer Dan
20-06-2006, 11:04 AM
Shaun Payne has been miles better than the swerve all season.
Age shouldnt come into it and game for game, Payne has been streets ahead of Dempsey this season.
Sound
20-06-2006, 11:10 AM
On one hand I would have liked Boss and a few others to get a run but I totally understand that EOS wants to get a tangible win from the effort of these tests. Swerve is a safe pair of hands and Murphy needs this kick up the hole.
Brad
20-06-2006, 11:11 AM
Ireland team: Dempsey; Horgan, B O'Driscoll (capt), D'Arcy, Trimble; O'Gara, Stringer; Horan, Flannery, Hayes; O'Callaghan, O'Connell; N Best, Wallace, Leamy.
Replacements: R Best, Young, M O'Driscoll, Gleeson, Boss, Staunton, Murphy.

i really don't understand why some of the pack aren't getting a rest, they're nackered after this season. and i still think POC and horan aren't fully fit after thier injuries in the HC

Horan might not be but POC was ones of best Irish players last saturday.
Sound
20-06-2006, 11:21 AM
Horan might not be but POC was ones of best Irish players last saturday.


The best by a street.
the puerto rican feen
20-06-2006, 11:55 AM
Shaun Payne has been miles better than the swerve all season.
Age shouldnt come into it and game for game, Payne has been streets ahead of Dempsey this season.

Pity Payne is South African
Langer Dan
20-06-2006, 12:00 PM
Pity Payne is South African

hes eligible to play for Ireland dum-dum

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/07/03/story886176581.asp
raZor
20-06-2006, 01:02 PM
Realistically Boss and Staunton should get a run now or in the November tests with WC next year, Payne is pushing on and realistically wont be considered for it.

Dempsey has had a solid season and is a safer option than Murphy both kicking out of hand and defensively.
the puerto rican feen
20-06-2006, 01:03 PM
hes eligible to play for Ireland dum-dum

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/07/03/story886176581.asp

still, I don't think I would play him.
Tube a Pringles
20-06-2006, 01:29 PM
still, I don't think I would play him.

Racist.....
the puerto rican feen
20-06-2006, 01:31 PM
Racist.....


thanks

"ireland for the irish"
U-Mass
21-06-2006, 09:47 AM
Payne is a solid club/provincial player. Having watched him over the last 3 years i dont think he is international standard. Some munster fans get carried away about him.

Dempsey by all accounts has had a great season and deserves to be playing ahead of murphy who looks a shadow of the player that lit up the premiership in 2001-2003
BangorFeen
21-06-2006, 09:59 AM
Payne is a solid club/provincial player. Having watched him over the last 3 years i dont think he is international standard. Some munster fans get carried away about him.

Dempsey by all accounts has had a great season and deserves to be playing ahead of murphy who looks a shadow of the player that lit up the premiership in 2001-2003
U-Mass, I guess we'll never know now anyway. That said, IMHO he IS international standard. Can you remember the last time he played poorly for Munster. The only real stinker I can recall is when he was played at CENTRE against Castres away in December 2004.

Payne is probably the most defensively solid FB in the country. For a 34 year-old he is tremendously fit and has a respectable turn of pace. He will always bring the ball into the line well and make sure it's presented cleanly to oncoming players. The man is a model pro.

Granted, he doesn't have the box of tricks that Murphy has but he beats him hands down defensively and in terms of consistency. It's hardly as if his counter-attacking is pedestrian either. It is unfortunate for both Munster and Ireland that he isn't a year or two younger
Padayr
22-06-2006, 01:42 AM
:mrgreen:

The way I look at it, if he's eligible to play for us, wants to and is good enough, fair play to the fella. None of us minded or cared when Jackie Charlton took us on our little adventures in football and I'm ok with the rugby selectors doing the same.

:mrgreen:



Pog ma thion !