2 Points

[Fat Tom]

1) Where were the Rugby heads yesterday? How come there was no thread about the AIB Finals? Could it be that the fans are in fact Munster Bandwagon hoppers?

2) Watching TV3 last night and there seemed to be a load of empty seats at the city versus Longford game? how come that?

[Proinsias]

1) Where were the Rugby heads yesterday? How come there was no thread about the AIB Finals? Could it be that the fans are in fact Munster Bandwagon hoppers?
Making constructive critiques of the Munster team. Unfortunately the state of the domestic club game in Ireland is not what it should be. In fact, I'm gonna dig up a post I made elsewhere before and lash it up here, see what people think.
[qoute=fat tom]
2) Watching TV3 last night and there seemed to be a load of empty seats at the city versus Longford game? how come that?[/QUOTE]

Nobody wants to watch Longford?

[Ciotóg]

Where was the Monaghan vs Cork thread, where Cork won to ensure their survival in Division 1 of the national league?

[Fat Tom]

Well the city fans on here are always harping on about the die hard support.
Where were they for that Eircom League game.
Could it be, like it was stated last year - probably by monthehoops or someone - that they are in fact as big a bunch of bandwagoners than anyone else.

As for the Rugby, it just goes to show that most of the crowd on here aren't even remotely interested in the local game.

[Proinsias]

Here it is:
Reforming Irish rugby:

1. Connacht, Munster, Ulster and Leinster on an equal pegging, and qualification for the Heineken cup based on position in the Celtic League. not plesant, but has to be done.

2. Top division in AIL is all Ireland, 3 relegated/promoted a year. Division 2 and 3 are broken up into provincial league competition. Top 8 teams in each province get into next round where it becomes a knockout competition. Finalists and winners of 3/4 place playoffs get promoted. Matches are held on international weekends and to coincide with Heineken cup weekends, but deliberately not to clash with any games.


3. There's a draft of AIL players every year. Every club gets say €5,000 if they produce a player who gets a development contract. A further €5,000 if that player gets a provincial cap and a further €20,000 if he gets a cap for Ireland. The worst performing province gets first choice of players. there's 4-5 rounds of drafts (i.e. 4-5 new players a season) and more players can be drafted during the year with agreement from the other provinces. If another province objects, it must make a counter offer and the player decides.


4. Provincial players no longer play for clubs. Clubs are compensated as detailed above. Players can be loaned to clubs, but clubs must pay 50% of players salary. Max 3 provincial loans per year


5. Munster buy two big screens. one goes in Thomond Park, the other goes in Musgrave Park. when Munster are playing at Thomond, Sunday's Well/Dolphin/Con play a match before the game, the big screen is wheeled out and the match is broadcast live. And vice versa for matches at Musgrave, Shannon, Garyowen, or whoever play before the match. Make it an event.


6. Bribe RTE to put the Celtic League and AIL matches back on our screens. Failing that, have a round up program on saturday and sunday afternoons 9not at 1am like in the UK) and a Rugby Club style program on Wednesday/Thursday night. Make sure the presenters are funny and intelligent, in that order. Make it the rugby equivelent of Top Gear. Having the matches on pay-per-view Setanta is doing it no good.


7. Clubs can legally sell 20% of their ticket allocation any way they see fit. Any club getting caught selling more than that, or giving tickets to non-members gets their ticket allocation suspended for two years. Clubs are encouraged to hold auctions (eBay if they want), raffles, or even sell them at vastly inflated prices outside the grounds before the matches if they want. Take the money from the touts and give it to the clubs.

[homer jay]

Well the city fans on here are always harping on about the die hard support.
Where were they for that Eircom League game.
Could it be, like it was stated last year - probably by monthehoops or someone - that they are in fact as big a bunch of bandwagoners than anyone else.

As for the Rugby, it just goes to show that most of the crowd on here aren't even remotely interested in the local game.

tom, i've said it already to POL, every sport and team have bandwagon jumpers, big deal, i'm sure kerry have had their versions as well. what your saying isn't new. who gives a shit how many people were at whatever game. GAA gets great crowds, fair play to them, but to start chastising sports because of the crowds that turn up to games is small timery.

[Fat Tom]

tom, i've said it already to POL, every sport and team have bandwagon jumpers, big deal, i'm sure kerry have had their versions as well. what your saying isn't new. who gives a shit how many people were at whatever game. GAA gets great crowds, fair play to them, but to start chastising sports because of the crowds that turn up to games is small timery.

I'm not chastising them.
Only pointing out exactly what you say - the people on here who claim some sort of superiority due to locality of their team are merely bullshitters like the rest of us.

[Lamps]

i'm no bullshitter

[Comeretamebubbilah]

Well the city fans on here are always harping on about the die hard support.
Where were they for that Eircom League game.
Could it be, like it was stated last year - probably by monthehoops or someone - that they are in fact as big a bunch of bandwagoners than anyone else.
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as i stated on many occasions in the past...Irish people as a whole are bandwagon event junkies....we crave the big occassion, the glamour, the success.....that is why the country is full of barstoolers like yourself who latch onto big & glamourous teams because there will always be the big games and glory.

Football in this country has suffered from poor crowds for over 20 years. No Cork city fan will tell you that our core support is anything over 2,500 which was approximately the attendance last Friday. The reason for so many empty seats is because of a general apathy towards the professional game in this country by football fans. The only time they are bothered to get off their arse and go to the Cross is for the big games, the semi finals, the league deciders etc....there was 6,000 there last nite...altho I welcome them all and hope the 3,500 extra return again, you have to question where most of them were on Friday nite?

You'll hear the same reasons as why GAA fans only attend championship games (later stages), why munster fans travel in 10s of thousands for HEC games but only 5,000 turn up to CL games. We as a nation love to part of the big game, the special occassion, the glory but when it comes to putting in the dedication of week in week out support we show complete apathy towards it...

[Rebelred]

2) Watching TV3 last night and there seemed to be a load of empty seats at the city versus Longford game? how come that?
camera doesn't show the Donie Forde stand,which was nearly full
Nobody wants to watch Longford?
yep

[Sound]

So, in short, we had no National league thread, no AIL thread and no Eircom League thread about our so-called local teams. What can we glean from this?

[Fat Tom]

as i stated on many occasions in the past...Irish people as a whole are bandwagon event junkies....we crave the big occassion, the glamour, the success.....that is why the country is full of barstoolers like yourself who latch onto big & glamourous teams because there will always be the big games and glory.

Football in this country has suffered from poor crowds for over 20 years. No Cork city fan will tell you that our core support is anything over 2,500 which was approximately the attendance last Friday. The reason for so many empty seats is because of a general apathy towards the professional game in this country by football fans. The only time they are bothered to get off their arse and go to the Cross is for the big games, the semi finals, the league deciders etc....there was 6,000 there last nite...altho I welcome them all and hope the 3,500 extra return again, you have to question where most of them were on Friday nite?

You'll hear the same reasons as why GAA fans only attend championship games (later stages), why munster fans travel in 10s of thousands for HEC games but only 5,000 turn up to CL games. We as a nation love to part of the big game, the special occassion, the glory but when it comes to putting in the dedication of week in week out support we show complete apathy towards it...

I don't.
I support Man United because of history of support in my family.
I play soccer for my local club. There is no Eircom League team in Kerry - if there was I would support both. But I wouldn't stop supporting Man United - I prefer to watch soccer of a higher level not the local Mullacher shit.
I play football for my local club and have trained underage teams in both soccer and Gaelic.
Just because I support Man United doesn't make me any more of a glory hunter over the guys who support Cork City over Wilton United or Ballincollig.

[Teknique]

What can we glean from this?


People are too lazy to start the threads?

[homer jay]

People are too lazy to start the threads?

bread always lands butter side down

[Comeretamebubbilah]

I don't.
Just because I support Man United doesn't make me any more of a glory hunter over the guys who support Cork City over Wilton United or Ballincollig.

heheh i love that one.....so you get over to old trafford every week yeah...go to away games often? Supporting a professional football team in a different country claiming them as your own or supporting your local professional football club and claiming them as your own are the same thing...

[Lamps]

we had a national hurling league thread.

[Proinsias]

So, in short, we had no National league thread, no AIL thread and no Eircom League thread about our so-called local teams. What can we glean from this?
That local sports need more local support?

Or that local sport can be terrible to watch?

Or nobody cares about local sport.

I dunno, take your pick.

[Proinsias]

we had a national hurling league thread.
Well I guess hurling is the best then.


So anyone fancy commenting/critiquing my ideas on the auld local rugby malarkey? If I can refine a few of those down, I might just send em in to the IRFU...

[Comeretamebubbilah]

That local sports need more local support?

Or that local sport can be terrible to watch?

Or nobody cares about local sport.

I dunno, take your pick.

a bit of all 3.....

[Lamps]

That local sports need more local support?

Or that local sport can be terrible to watch?

Or nobody cares about local sport.

I dunno, take your pick.

apparently there were over 10,000 at pairc ui rinn for a game that meant nothing anyway.

[homer jay]

apparently there were over 10,000 at pairc ui rinn for a game that meant nothing anyway.

shock :shock: GAA game draws large crowd :shock: .

lads we've been thru this several times now at this stage. GAA is the primary sport(s) in this country, of course they're gonna draw larger crowds than soccer, rugby and practically every other sport here. so what? if thats your only gripe Lamps you'd better start other threads about the bandwagoners that follow every success in this country eg. swimming (michelle smith) athletics (sonia o'sullivan) etc. etc.

[Fat Tom]

heheh i love that one.....so you get over to old trafford every week yeah...go to away games often? Supporting a professional football team in a different country claiming them as your own or supporting your local professional football club and claiming them as your own are the same thing...

Where do you live?
If the team nearest you goes professional are you gonna switch allegiances and support them?

[Comeretamebubbilah]

Where do you live?
If the team nearest you goes professional are you gonna switch allegiances and support them?

i live in Cork.....you dont need to justify your "support" for a foreign football team to me at all biy. if that line of reasoning helps you justify it to yourself then so be it..

[Sound]

we had a national hurling league thread.

So? Where was the football thread or is football a mockeryzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz.

Whatever.

[Lamps]

So? Where was the football thread or is football a mockeryzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz.

Whatever.

as it happens the treatment of Cork Football by the cork county board is a mockery. with the resources of the county we should be challenging for the all ireland.
there have been many football threads started and most die and quick death due to the lack of reponses, i usually talk football elsewhere. rugby on the other hand seems to be vieing with soccer as the number one sport on this board, you'd think the munster match would have made it to at least one thread.

[Sound]

as it happens the treatment of Cork Football by the cork county board is a mockery. with the resources of the county we should be challenging for the all ireland.
there have been many football threads started and most die and quick death due to the lack of reponses, i usually talk football elsewhere. rugby on the other hand seems to be vieing with soccer as the number one sport on this board, you'd think the munster match would have made it to at least one thread.

That's a rubbish excuse. Because others aren't interested you aren't going to bother?

And the only reason there are lots of rugby threads is because you start most of them.

[Fat Tom]

i live in Cork.....you dont need to justify your "support" for a foreign football team to me at all biy. if that line of reasoning helps you justify it to yourself then so be it..

whereabouts in Cork?
If the team closest to you went professional would you stop supporting Cork City?
If Turners Cross is in fact closest to you then fair enough.
but what if say you are from Ballincollig and then they go professional - do you stop supporting Cork city then?
What about the boys from Cobh?
Should people from Cobh not support Cork City?
What if they were born in Cork and live in Cobh now?
Who should they support?
Should they switch loyalties and support their local team?

[Comeretamebubbilah]

whereabouts in Cork?
If the team closest to you went professional would you stop supporting Cork City?
If Turners Cross is in fact closest to you then fair enough.
but what if say you are from Ballincollig and then they go professional - do you stop supporting Cork city then?
What about the boys from Cobh?
Should people from Cobh not support Cork City?
What if they were born in Cork and live in Cobh now?
Who should they support?
Should they switch loyalties and support their local team?

if that line of reasoning helps you justify it to yourself then so be it..

[Rebelred]

That's a rubbish excuse. Because others aren't interested you aren't going to bother?

And the only reason there are lots of rugby threads is because you start most of them.
in fairness,any football thread here usually only gets a response from myself lamps and Kerry Tom,nobody else seems to have an opinion on it

[Sound]

in fairness,any football thread here usually only gets a response from myself lamps and Kerry Tom,nobody else seems to have an opinion on it

So, by that rationale, you all have more interest in rugby seeing as that gets more responses?

The IRFU will be fuckin' delighted, I'm sure.

[Rebelred]

So, by that rationale, you all have more interest in rugby seeing as that gets more responses?

The IRFU will be fuckin' delighted, I'm sure.
the last football thread i started turned into a hurling thread within 5 posts.my interest in rugby is minimal to be honest.